LulzSec Posts First Secret Document Dump

Dangerous_Minds writes "LulzSec has been vowing to expose government secrets for the last few days. Now they have delivered. According to ZeroPaid, LulzSec has posted secret documents about Arizona Law Enforcement. The release has been posted to file-sharing website ThePirateBay. LulzSec says the release is because they are 'against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.'"

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AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[Anonymous Coward]

It's anti-illegal-immigrant. There's a difference.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[geoffrobinson]

Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[Libertarian001]

Border Patrol? You mean from U.S. Customs and Border Protection? The Federal Agency? Why are you bringing this up in a conversation about a state law?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[William Ager]

It's worth noting that Mexicans from more affluent areas, and more central areas in general, often are quite racist against Mexicans from border areas. It isn't hard to find people who immigrated to the US from Mexico City and dislike Mexicans from Tijuana more than white supremacists do.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[Anonymous Coward]

He won't be so supportive when he gets asked for papers because he is a mexican. The issue with SB1070 is racial profiling. That is the issue.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[SQL Error]

Right, because all illegal immigrants commit crimes.

Ahem.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[xantonin]

"A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the united states or arizona constitution"

Page 1, lines 30-34.

Do you really think in a state where brown skin is the majority that cops will waste their time bugging everyone who is brown skinned? We in AZ are aware there are a lot of legal Hispanics here, don't insult us with your assumptions.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[MickyTheIdiot]

"I didn't even notice he was Hispanic, judge! I swear!" heh heh.

Law Enforcement has NEVER lied to make themselves look better.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

I am anti-illegal immigrants, but I have a problem with the Arizona law: It can't possibly be constitutional.

Allow me to explain. My mother is a white american who married a latino. I was born in the US, I have citizenship by blood and by place of birth. If I were to visit Arizona, and some cop looks at me, he might decide that he has "probable cause" to ask for papers, because I look foreign. As a result you have a cop that is going to ask an American citizen for papers and jail me if I refuse to comply.

How in the FUCK can you think that's constitutional?

Now, if the law would instead put employers in jail who hire illegal immigrants knowingly, I'd be all for it. That's the problem anyway. If they couldn't get jobs here, the US wouldn't be worth the enormous risk they take crossing the border.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[wisty]

The best way to beat sympathy isn't hate. It's disgust. I read a study [citation needed] that showed people stopped showing sympathy if they were disgusted by the perp's crime. This is, incidentally, why perverts (for whatever the current definition of pervert is) get cracked down on so hard - it's easy to be disgusted by them, so nobody has any sympathy.

If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants, you don't run a hate campaign. It's likely to be illegal, makes you look bad, and may actually drum up a lot of opposition. Accusing Mexicans of being drug smugglers, violent criminals, and terrorists might drum up a bit of fear (and hate), but it doesn't really work.

The best way to persecute people is to drum up disgust. It can be overt (attacking their personal hygiene), or more subtle (attacking their immoral values). Calling mexicans "filthy" has been extremely effective, but it isn't going to fly anymore. The modern day equivalent is calling them tax cheats, freeloaders, and queue jumpers. Queue jumping (at the supermarket checkout, or Disneyland, or any other context) isn't seen as a serious crime, but as a disgusting lack of social nous. Which makes it a far better slur than "drug runner", if you want people to lose sympathy.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[ArcherB]

it's not worth noting.

and it's very hard to find those people.

it's a lot easier to find people who are sympathetic, but want the law enforced.

someone please mod William Ager and his fantasy land into the ground.

It's quite easy to find Hispanics who are against illegal immigration. Of course, you won't find them on TV. Newscasts are borderline racist in their portrayal of Hispanics as one, big, massive stereotype. They display them as if they are all lemmings who follow whatever the liberal Hispanic "leaders" say.

If you want to know the truth, go to a place where Hispanics are the majority and live there for a few years. I live in such a place. My wife, daughter and best friend are all Hispanic. To be honest, Hispanics are some of the most racist people I've met towards other Hispanics.

It other words, you don't know WTF you are talking about, gringo.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[ArcherB]

He won't be so supportive when he gets asked for papers because he is a mexican. The issue with SB1070 is racial profiling. That is the issue.

You mean like when he gets pulled over and the police man asks for his driver's license? Yeah, that never happens to white people.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant

[AmiMoJo]

Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.

In the UK we managed to get rid of slavery without a war, as did most other places. There are plenty of ex-colony countries that became independent without war. The Nazis rise to power was a direct consequence of WWI and the situation we put Germany in after it (massive reparations, hyperinflation etc.) Communism... Well, you failed in Vietnam and the cold war ended why the USSR collapsed rather than when you defeated them militarily.

So yeah, starting a war rarely improves the situation.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery

[leromarinvit]

You can't fix slavery with a law that punishes the slaves instead of the slaveowners.

Re:Who knew?

[shellster_dude]

You don't have a problem with continuing a process that allows a whole sub-culture of people to be treated like slaves, paid almost nothing, worked in unsafe environments, and have no representation because you don't want to pay a buck fifty more for you produce?...what a disgusting position. I think you'd have been more in comfortable in the 1800's in the south.

Not for public distribution?

[tantaliz3]

Not for public distribution should be illegal in a free democratic society. Democracy fails if the voters don't have a clear and complete perspective.

Re:Who knew?

[geekforhire]

Bingo. People that support illegal immigration just cant seem to grasp that they are supporting a system that exploits people that have no protection under the law. Also..dont give me that 'jobs you wont do' crap. I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery

[pclminion]

Nobody seems to ever bring this up, but by supporting illegal immigration you are supporting modern day slavery. Illegal immigrants don't make a proper wage and dont receive any of the protections that their legal immigrant friends enjoy.

Ah, that explains why they keep on comin'.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery

[hedwards]

No, what explains that is that wages and work conditions are even worse where they come from. If you want them to stop coming, then you fine the crap out of businesses that fail to properly identify that their employees have their documentation and those that fail to obey the legal requirements regarding workplace safety.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery

[stinerman]

Slaves don't vote. Slaveowners do.

Spot on

[betterunixthanunix]

Especially since we are talking about law enforcement agencies. These are people who are given the legal authority to deprive other people of their rights -- that is the last group of people that I want operating in secret.

You are incredibly naive

[gbutler69]

The fine for the employer is a simple cost of doing business. Save $100,000.00 per month on wages, pay an $10,000.00 fine now and then. Getting sent back to their "Home Country" is life-devastating for the "Criminal Brown People". Not the same thing at all.

Re:No Problem

[MickyTheIdiot]

In America, the Lobbyists are the Government!

Wake up and smell the coffee. You're living in the past.