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NASA Funded Commercial Space Projects Heating Up

coondoggie writes "NASA's role as commercial space entrepreneur is going well and the four companies it is funding to build future spacecraft that could take astronauts to and from the International Space Station and other destinations are moving forward. That was the chief observation in a status report the space agency issued this week entitled 'NASA's return on investment report.' You may recall that in April NASA split $270 million between Boeing ($92 million), Space Exploration Technologies (Space X--$75 million), Sierra Nevada ($80 million) and Blue Origin ($22 million) to continue development of commercial rockets and spacecraft capable of safely flying astronauts into orbit and to the International Space Station." Gubers33 pointed out another article about NASA's upcoming plans for Jupiter, Mars, and the Moon.

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  1. Sierra Nevada ($80 million) by beefncheese · · Score: 2

    Orbital beer runs? Awesome!

  2. Re:NASA you are officailly bush league by Normal+Dan · · Score: 2

    Imagine if we spent all the money from the war on space exploration. We'd all be able to leave this planet and not have to worry about what happens back on Earth.

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  3. Re:Hardware That Doesn't Crash Or Blowup by strack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    im pretty sure pretty much all rockets have failures early in their development careers. spacex mitigated that somewhat with having its failures on its smaller falcon 1 rocket, and once they ironed out the issues, built its larger more expensive falcon 9, which is 2 for 2 successes so far. so quit your anonymous coward bitching. spacex are putting more shit in space for less cost than the fucking chinese for fucks sake.

  4. Re:NASA you are officailly bush league by slackergod · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Actually, I'd be relatively ok with us fighting in space, if it meant we were trying to get into space to begin with.
    Consider a hypothetical moon colony -
    • * War requires developing countermeasures for missles and kinetic weapons - these are already needed to protect the colony from asteroids.
    • * War requires radiation-hardening the colony against EM weapons - this is already needed to protect against solar flares and the like.
    • * War requires developing more agile, efficient drives in order to out-maneuver the enemy? This just helps us colonize further.

    Much as a I'd like space to be nice and peaceful, that doesn't seem to be in our natures right now - and just shifting the theater of conflict to space would put the well-funded military R&D pipelines on track to developing numerous technologies that we were going to need anyways - but they'd do it faster than if the goal was peaceful colonization, since it's now a matter of "national pride".

  5. just how commercial? by SixAndFiftyThree · · Score: 2

    This update points out that dark forces within NASA are urging the return of cost-plus contracting for crew transport (scroll down to "Commercial Crew" section therein). This will get us straight back into the traditional world of missed schedules and massive overruns, if it's allowed to happen. USAan readers please hold yourselves in readiness to contact your elected lords and, um, representatives.

    1. Re:just how commercial? by Teancum · · Score: 2

      Of course they are..... just look at the SLS system (otherwise dubbed the "Senate Launch System" in some circles).

      The question about commercial spaceflight does beg this question: Would any of the current "commercial" companies want to go under that sort of regime, if it also required that they abandon all other customers beside the government?

      That is precisely the net effect of that approach. Sure, we can go back to a cost-plus model, but we will also return to $20k/kg or more for vehicles going into space, which pretty much shuts down all other potential commercial customers. Between RKK Energia, Arianespace, China, India, and potentially even Iran (if you don't think their program is a joke) commercial spaceflight has essentially left America altogether anyway. The major spaceflight companies in America, Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, ATK, ULA (yes, I know it is a joint-venture of a couple of the other companies on this list), and if you want to really stretch it perhaps Orbital...... so few commercial payloads are being flown now that completely shutting down commercial spaceflight would have essentially no impact and their only customers are virtually the U.S. government contracts alone.

      By commercial contracts, I'm talking proven systems that we know have a successful business model in space, such as recon satellites (like what you see with Google Earth), telecom satellites, satellite telephone systems, and even commercial passenger flights into space. To date, the only private citizens who have gone into space have been on Russian spacecraft. Yeah, that is inspiring. There is a commercial spaceflight industry, but without really letting private companies like Blue Origin, XCor, SpaceX, and others really be able to compete on a global market for these payloads, this particular market may as well be completely written off.

      I suppose laws can be written so commercial spaceflight in America can only be done with "approved carriers" on "NASA-designed equipment". Sort of like how PanAm got a government monopoly for international commercial airline service for many decades. That experiment worked out real well, didn't it?

  6. Re:Hardware That Doesn't Crash Or Blowup by Teancum · · Score: 2

    The original Atlas rockets had repeated failures, including one that blew up live on national network television. The Mercury astronauts were invited to attend that one live and in person, in hopes they would continue to support the rocket for when they would take a trip on it into space.... that was to happen just a couple of months later.

    Don't go into how rocket manufacturing technology has improved so much since then, since it is still a crap shoot to see if the rocket actually works in the first place. There is some improvement in terms of new metallurgy and other stuff, but why is SpaceX singled out here from anybody else? Why does Boeing or ATK have a monopoly on the knowledge for how to get into space? (which they don't)

    Building rockets is a tough business, and any new rocket is going to have problems. I sure don't know why the SLS is any better than the Falcon 9, other than the fact that it hasn't actually flown at all nor is the design even stable for that matter.

  7. Re:At the same time by Teancum · · Score: 3

    International joint ventures, particularly between governments, is a foolish and expensive thing unless the point is explicitly to improve diplomatic relations. The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project was precisely that, where the whole point of the mission was to increase the exchange of information between two nations that had spaceflight capabilities and learn how to help one another out if there was a reason for helping one another out.

    Congressmen, the people who make the appropriations for NASA budgets, don't have many constituents in places like the UK, France, or Germany. Simply put, they don't care about international commitments as long as they can keep getting re-elected. A choice between killing their favorite pork project vs. some international space mission to Mars? The choice should be patently obvious.

    BTW, Congress doesn't like to give up their political power all that much. Yes, they could make a long-term appropriation over multiple years, but they also like to micro-manage a whole lot, perhaps a bit too much. Why else is the SLS being called the "Senate Launch System" where not just the broad goals but the individual components and even the structural design are being designed by the wonderful aerospace engineers on Capitol Hill in the "upper chamber" of Congress? Even crazy details like the particular kinds of metal and the thickness of that metal in the engines to be used are even going to be prescribed by law. By the time funding is finalized, the contractors won't have to do anything but production work because the Senate will have designed the monster in such detail that they won't have to.

  8. Re:At the same time by Confusador · · Score: 2

    International joint ventures, particularly between governments, is a foolish and expensive thing unless the point is explicitly to improve diplomatic relations.

    Expensive I'll grant. Foolish depends on what you're attempting to accomplish. One of the causes attributed to the success of the ISS is that the international agreements made it too difficult for Congress to pull the funding in the next budget cycle. So if your purpose is to get a solid commitment to something, involving international partners may be worth the cost.