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7 Days In Email Hell

jfruhlinger writes "If you first went on line in the '90s, you probably remember a time when every e-mail you received was exciting, or at least relevant, and was worthy of your personal attention. One brave writer decided to take that approach to his present-day overflowing inbox. He read every email he received and dealt with them all, either by replying, filing, or unsubscribing. He even scanned his spam filter for false positives. It was a lot harder than he thought it would be."

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  1. If this was an email... by neonmonk · · Score: 4, Funny

    If this was an email, I'd instinctively delete it.

    1. Re:If this was an email... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Relying on Baysian neural networks to seed the pseudo random logic

      Bayesian networks are completely different from neural networks. And they're not used for "seeding" any "psuedorandom logic"; bayes nets and neural nets are just useful for classification tasks, such as "spam" or "not spam."

    2. Re:If this was an email... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2

      A spam filter isn't a magical device that "just works" without you needing to do anything. Like I said now that I have mine pretty fine tuned, I get less than a handful of false positives every year. Don't like the spam filter? turn it off and get all that unwanted crap in your inbox instead. But for me, I think it is a godsend and works great. But then again I was willing to spend some time configuring it to work right in the beginning. No system is going to be perfect, but if it filters out 99.99% of spam and only gets a few false positives a year, that is a huge time/resource saver for me. Seeing the University I work for recently switched over to Gmail, I can say your experience is not the norm I am seeing. I am supporting about 75 users all using Gmail and their spam filter rarely gets any false positives, and mostly just filters out the crap. I think if a lot of people were seeing the same results as you were, nobody would be using the Gmail spam filter.

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  2. I don't remember those 90s... by Tharsman · · Score: 2

    As far as I have used email (early 90s) spam has been an issue. I think I get less junk now than I used to get in 1995, thanks to advancements in server side junk mail filters.

    1. Re:I don't remember those 90s... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      Junk filtering has all but eliminated my spam. What it hasn't eliminated is the plethora of mailing lists and newsletters and daily deals I've accumulated. Most of them are weekly or monthly. But just the volume of companies I've interacted with over the last couple of years finally reached a breaking point this last week.

      Just yesterday I started the exact same process (sans spam folder). I've started going through and actually unsubscribing from all the shit I receive. Already with the weekly and daily crap unsubscribed I for the first time in a long time have returned to what I consider an acceptable mail volume.

    2. Re:I don't remember those 90s... by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do the same thing with hyphens and Qmail. It's practically eliminated spam as a problem for nearly a decade. The only two problems I have are people (and businesses) that get freaked out seeing an email address like me-yourname@mydomain.com, and websites that want an email address to recover a login (if I can't figure out what address I made up for that particular site... I have semi-standards, but they don't always work 100%).

    3. Re:I don't remember those 90s... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually I KNOW it is much better and I'll explain why...webmail. remember when we all ran our own email programs and had to download all the shit on a sucktastic dialup modem? Sure the spam wasn't as bloaty then but the line was a HELL of a lot slower.

      So yes these kids these days don't know how good they got it. They got webmail, they have never been hit by the evil that was Comet Cursors (having your cursor turn into a pocketwatch and slam the CPU so hard your OCed Celeron 300A ran like a 286 trying to load Win98? Fun) or being blinded at 3AM because you tripped over a link and it was a Geocities page in "OMG Ponies!" with bright ass lime green text on a puke pink background with glitter shit falling like rain, or going into work and finding half the boxes have been Bonzi Buddy'ed and your coworkers are screaming at you "OMFG KILL THAT DAMNED MONKEY!"

      Yeah kids today they got it so easy, with their multicore this, 3D that. Now get off my lawn!

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    4. Re:I don't remember those 90s... by PyroMosh · · Score: 2

      I do something similar with my personal domain. Every account I have to sign up for gets a unique email address. Doing that, I've had to blacklist maybe 40 email addresses since 1998.

      Many of those are fly-by night domains that I wasn't surprised, and a few were just wild guesses (help@mydomain.com, etc.). Still, there are a few legit businesses that surprised me who either sold my email address to spammers or had their databases compromised:

      • 1saleaday.com (not shocking)
      • Chima Brazilian Steakhouse (I was a little surprised to see a legit brick-and-mortar business on my spam list)
      • creditreport.com (not shocking)
      • digitalriver.com (ecommerce solutions)
      • Giant Microbes
      • Lending Tree
      • Renchi (not shocking, but disappointing, I liked shopping on that site)
      • U3 (the failed flash drive platform people)

      The rest were mostly the kind of places where I'd be surprised if I *didn't* get spam.

    5. Re:I don't remember those 90s... by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ya know that is the one kind of "spam" I have to say I really enjoy. Opening my inbox and finding something I wanted ultra cheap, like that 1Tb Samsung I got for $35? that's nice. Or the "77 features of Windows 7" which actually pointed out a few tricks I'd never heard of (type PSR in the start search and you can record what you are doing as a step by step tutorial, real handy when i'm teaching someone how to use a complex program) which showed up last week? That's nice.

      But to me the sweetest thing about email today is how damned nice the spam filters have gotten. i remember when false positives were high and you'd still get a bunch of "4er8al v1agra" bullshit, but now? I can't remember the last time I saw spam in my Yahoo or my Gmail.

      So while I can understand why some my want to unsubscribe I like getting my parts cheap too much or learning cool tricks to give up my newsletters. As long as the webmail guys (thanks webmail guys) keep the spam filters rocking finding a couple of sales flyers and a newsletter or two is just a nice diversion.

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  3. Multiple accounts.... by Immostlyharmless · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why I have 3 accounts.

    1).One that goes for the really important stuff. IE Financial related stuff and my family. No one else gets it.

    2.) The one that I give to friends and sign up for things online that I really want, are legitimate online retailers I use a lot. Might be spammed, but probably not.

    3.) Everything else, IE Anything sketchy, porn, places I may or may not visit again, etc.

    Pretty much anything I'm not expecting from the 3rd one goes straight to the round file, and after a day of my filter learning to deal with the latest influx of crap from whatever trash I've signed up for recently I don't even have to mess with it anymore. The 2nd one rarely gets gets a handful of spam each week, and the first one gets 1 or 2 spam mails a month.

    1. Re:Multiple accounts.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For anything sketchy I just use http://spambox.us/. You can create a temporary email address that is forwarded to you're regular account and set it for deletion after a period of time (1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, etc.)

    2. Re:Multiple accounts.... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This. A thousand times this. I have a real address that goes to personal acquaintances and is not visible publicly. Any address at my domain is valid; I have apple@, radioshack@, facebook@, slashdot1@ and so on. Anything goes, I can use it in person at stores that want email addresses and so on. Checking the 'to' header, or the 'x-original-to' header (on sketchy emails that aren't correctly addressed) makes it easy to see who gave out my email, or which forum's been hacked. Most recently, it was the US Speedskating team's website - I donated to them last year with speedskating@ and have been getting spam there.

      But people are, as usual, the weak link. I get the very occasional spam in my "real" inbox because somebody's gotten a virus, or had a weak Hotmail password or something. Thankfully not much so far, but that could change. I'm not quite sure how to deal with this, and am open to suggestions... but you're exactly right, no address is safe when the people who have it can't keep it.

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  4. Stupid by geek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People that get that much email get it solely to make themselves feel important. They walk around telling all their friends about the 400 emails they got today. They are the same people that have 30,000 friends on Facebook and think they really do have 30,000 friends.

    I've been getting email for over 17 years and I've never gotten that much in a day short of when I was active on various mailing lists. Even then, i didn't get that much.

    Stop giving your email address out to every bozo website that wants it and spam will virtually disappear. Stop subscribing for every stupid news feed and commercial website and your mailbox won't fill up. I've had the same address for 3 years at this point and I get 15-30 emails a day, most of which are important and valid. The ones that aren't are from my mom.

    1. Re:Stupid by mrtwice99 · · Score: 2

      Stop giving your email address out to every bozo website that wants it and spam will virtually disappear. Stop subscribing for every stupid news feed and commercial website and your mailbox won't fill up. I've had the same address for 3 years at this point and I get 15-30 emails a day, most of which are important and valid. The ones that aren't are from my mom.

      +1

    2. Re:Stupid by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Stop giving your email address out to every bozo website that wants it and spam will virtually disappear.

      No it won't. I give unique addresses to every website and still get lost of spam to my personal address. Compromised Windows machines of friends, I assume.

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  5. Re:I must be lucky by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can't comment on other people, but the guy in the article is someone who has subscribed to over 50 newsletters that he doesn't want to read. In the article he complains about his poor personal management skills, insults people who don't agree with him politically, insults people who do agree with him politically, and complains.

    What he doesn't do is explain why a common email management scheme is hell.

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  6. Re:Guess spellcheck wasn't on by smisle · · Score: 2

    What bothered me was the disagreement of tense: "He read every email he received and deal with them all" ... it gives me chills even on a re-read.

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  7. Your own domain by coldmist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why everyone should have their own domain.

    I have catch-all email for my domain, so if an email is sent to it that isn't recognized, it goes into my catchall account.

    The nice part of this, is I can create 'newegg@domain.com', and I know exactly who sent it, and/or who shared out my contact information.

    You can do throw-away emails for single event cases, or just use a generic 'junk@domain.com' for sites you don't care about.

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    1. Re:Your own domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use the + system in gmail (email+company@gmail.com) to filter mine. Found out that Musician's Friend either sold my address or someone stole a bunch from them. I called them on it and they denied it, claiming that everyone gets spam and that it was bound to happen sooner or later. I showed them my email address and the email address that I gave them. I never received another response, and no longer deal with them thanks to that.

    2. Re:Your own domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you use gmail, you can do something similar with a dash. For example, johndoe-newegg@gmail.com is the same account as johndoe@gmail.com. Doing things like johndoe-trash@gmail.com, and creating a filter on that destination address yields fantastic results. You can also add any number of periods to your email address, i.e. john.doe@gmail.com is the same as john.d.oe@gmail.com and johndoe@gmail.com.

    3. Re:Your own domain by deblau · · Score: 2

      spamgourmet.com

      I've been using them for years. All the same benefits, and you don't need your own domain.

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    4. Re:Your own domain by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Spamgourmet allows you to do this on-the-fly, no personalized domain necessary.

      Let's say your free email address at spamgourmet is joe@spamgourmet.com

      Wen registering at Newegg, you'd just write newegg.joe@spamgourmet.com and spamgourmet would automatically forward your email to your real email address. The system even allows you to reply to the forwarded message from your real email address, and spamgourmet will act as the intermediary removing your original email address from the message. Spamgourmet even has more capabilities than that, for instance you could just write newegg.12.joe@spamgourmet.com instead that would mean you're only expecting 12 emails from Newegg, not a single more and spamgourmet would just keep a reverse counter (and of course, the system allows you to change your mind, for instance you could just decide to whitelist any of the emails coming from Newegg even if you had it set to only receive 12 emails from them).

      And of course, some web sites have been banning spamgourmet email address from their registration form, but that doesn't really matter, spamgourmet has many alternative domains you can use, and you can even donate your own domain to the cause if you wanted.

      And by the way, the system is free and open source, so you could even set this system up on your own servers if you wanted (not that you'd really need to).

    5. Re:Your own domain by jfengel · · Score: 2

      I keep assuming the spammers will start filtering out the + parts, since it's unnecessary. Maybe they figure you're prioritizing stuff with the + parts and leaving it in. Or (more likely) just sending it to both.

      I have my own domain and similarly managed to prove to HP that they'd either sold my data or had it stolen. I think the customer rep I spoke to was convinced. Nobody up the chain seemed to care.

    6. Re:Your own domain by theNAM666 · · Score: 2

      I have done this for at least 15 years.

      Guess what?

      I can count on one hand the number of "newegg@mydomain.com" spam messages I've found. True... I don't use scum sites, but as far as I can see, the risk of spam from giving my email address out to sites, is essentially ZERO.

    7. Re:Your own domain by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

      I keep assuming the spammers will start filtering out the + parts, since it's unnecessary. Maybe they figure you're prioritizing stuff with the + parts and leaving it in. Or (more likely) just sending it to both.

      One option then is to never give out the unqualified base address, and assume everything going to it is likely spam.

      I have my own domain and similarly managed to prove to HP that they'd either sold my data or had it stolen. I think the customer rep I spoke to was convinced. Nobody up the chain seemed to care.

      You could consider explaining it to your local media with what is basically damning evidence. I'm thinking a couple phone calls from reporters would produce a response or action.

    8. Re:Your own domain by Aladrin · · Score: 2

      I used them until a few years ago when their system apparently couldn't handle the load. Email would take hours to come in sometimes.

      At that point, I realized that GMail was really, really good at filtering SPAM and I decided to let it.

      I haven't regretted the decision even once. I even took my really old email account and forwarded everything to my new email account. At one point, that account was getting 30k+ spam emails a month! Google didn't break a sweat.

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  8. This guy is an idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    He's on too many mailing lists and has never filtered down the information he gets to something manageable.

    I don't delete stuff from my inbox. If I've read it, that's fine, but it's perfectly acceptable for me to just search when I need something particular. In ancient times I used to make folders that were months (or years) when I got stuff, but that was an artificial structure, and not particularly useful.

  9. Re:Gmail is your problem by Aequitarum+Custos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gmail has given me the LEAST spam of the 3 big name providers (Google/Yahoo/Microsoft), including when I had my own e-mail server with spamassassin. Not sure what problems you have with Gmail, but false positive rate is minimal and I rarely get more than 50 -actual- spam messages a month. Rest is notifications/newsletters I actually signed up for, or work related.

  10. Don't delete, archive by Compaqt · · Score: 2

    I don't understand people who obsessively have to delete stuff in their Inbox.

    OK, so you want a clean Inbox. Fine. Delete junk/spam.

    For the rest, stuff like:
    -sales leads
    -your boss saying "Do X"
    -your colleagues telling you why they can do Y, upon which X depends
    -vendors with pricing/other info
    -customer complaints which you reply to

    why would you want to delete it? It doesn't take up space in a filing cabinet. You'll be hard pressed to come up with more than a few hundred MB of email in a year, the size of an average PowerPoint, I guess.

    And if you ever need to explain why X isn't done already, you could just forward an email, if you hadn't wiped it.

    So move it to different folders ("Sales Leads", "Projects", whatever). And archive it.

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  11. Why use the inbox as an archive? by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

    I briefly consider sticking them in a folder called "email I already read and don't know what to do with but better not delete in case one day I really need it." But then isn't "inbox" just a more elegant way of saying the same thing?

    Since he's using Gmail, the big Archive button does the same thing, but better.

  12. Re:wonder why by NorQue · · Score: 2

    Exactly what I thought after having read the first page, didn't bother clicking through to the second. That guy is using GMail, he should just start to familiarize himself with its features and he'd have a lot less stuff to read. Auto-mark-as-read-and-tag for messages coming from Facebook and Twitter, anything containing the word "Newsletter" or "Press Release", that sounds like the solution to his problem. If he's filtering manually he's doing it wrong.