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James-NSC writes "I like to do arts and crafts. I've been saving up motherboards for a while as a new medium and I started working on it last night. I wore the same gear I wear while painting – fine particulate respirator and safety goggles. I just cut some templates out of some motherboards and when I was done I used the shop-vac to clean myself & workspace up before removing my mask. Even after 5+ minutes, in a well ventilated area (not as well as it should have been apparently) my first breath was pins and needles. I'm looking into containment and exhaust solutions – ala baby's first iron lung, but seriously, am I nuts? Are these materials just too toxic to work with?"

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  1. Treat it like fiberglass or asbestos by ChrisKnight · · Score: 5, Informative

    Motherboards are essentially epoxy bound fiberglass. If you are going to be sawing it up, you need gear that is designed for extremely fine stiff fibers. You need filtration equipment suitable for removing fiberglass, or better yet asbestos, particles from the air.

    Good luck. Try not to give yourself lung cancer.

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  2. Underwater by MrQuacker · · Score: 4, Informative

    When cutting things that make lots of dust, its best (if possible) to cut them underwater, or submerged in a fluid. This way none of the particulates become airborne.

    1. Re:Underwater by Zeek40 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sounds like a wet-saw for tile or masonry would do the job.

  3. Re:DOES NOT CAUSE LUNG CANCER, maybe induces. by JonySuede · · Score: 3, Informative

    Asbestos on the other hand is a bi-product of a fungus

    quack alert !

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  4. Negative pressure... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Once it gets into the air, fine fiberglass dust is going to remain there a good while. It's light enough that it will effectively never settle in any useful amount of time, and your typical house probably doesn't completely recycle its internal atmosphere nearly fast enough to solve the problem that way.

    If you are going to be doing much of this, you might want to consider building a negative-pressure work area large enough for your tools and workpiece to be comfortably manipulated:

    Basically, a reasonably adequately sealed box(doesn't need to, and won't, be airtight, because of the negative pressure) with a slot for you to stick your hands in, a plexiglass window to see what you are doing, and a shop vac or similar pulling air out of the box and through a HEPA filter. Because of the suction, air will continually be flowing into the box(preventing the egress of most dust, even though the box isn't fully sealed) and the dust-contaminated air will be filtered before it leaves to ruin your day. Still probably not a bad idea to have the outflow vent outdoors, rather than into the room; but the filter should scrub most of it.

  5. Safety. by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, you need the correct saw blade.

    Most motherboards (all? I've never seen one on phenolic), are G-10 fiberglass.

    G-10 Fiberglass is nasty stuff. While it will not give you cancer (this has been studied because people thought fiberglass seems similar to asbestos, but it isn't) it's definitely an irritant. Your lungs will expel the fibers.

    That said:

    Wear a dust mask. A full nose-and-mouth mask from the hardware store is fine. You don't need to go overboard.
    Use a vacuum pickup.
    Use the correct saw blade. A silicon carbide blade (particles bonded to a steel band saw blade) is ideal.

    You also might want to try using a tile cutter saw that uses an abrasive blade and flood water cooling.

    Don't try to cut with a steel blade.

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    1. Re:Safety. by bmo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Replying to myself

      I had forgotten the OP had been using a shop vac to pick up particles.

      Shop Vacs are notorious for spitting out small particles back out into the air without the proper filter. There are different kinds. The default is an open cell foam filter. These do absolutely nothing for fine particles. Indeed, they guarantee that all you will have in the air after vacuuming are fine particles that will stay there for hours.

      You need the aftermarket filters. Google for "shop vac hepa" and you will find them.

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  6. You Are Machining Fiberglass - yes you are nuts by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are using neither the proper tools nor proper containment nor proper suit nor respirator for machining fiberglass. It is dangerous, it can damage your lungs, eyes and other parts of your body, it can give you cancer.

    1. Re:You Are Machining Fiberglass - yes you are nuts by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      >it can give you cancer.

      Hi. I'm a machinist. I used to machine boards and G10 fiberglass parts for circuit board testers (basically a big board with hundreds of probes on it that you plonked a circuit board onto and it QCed the board).

      This concerned me.

      So I looked it up. The only study I found that had a link to cancer was that they surgically implanted a chunk of fiberglass into rat lungs that the lungs were not able to expel. This chronic irritant did produce tumors. The rat population that only had inhaled fiberglass dust did not have a statistically significant increase in cancer over the control group of rats without exposure.

      The human lung cilia and mucus are able to expel fiberglass fibers. This is not the case with asbestos, which is why asbestos is a hazard and fiberglass (a much larger fiber) isn't.

      The IARC removed fiberglass from its list of "possibly carcinogenic materials" in 2001.

      This is not to say that fiberglass is not a hazard. It is. It can cause asthmatic reactions and difficulty in breathing because it's a strong irritant. Wear a good facemask. Try to keep the fibers from entering the air in the first place. Use vacuum pickup and if you can, try to cut under flood water-based coolant.

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  7. Re:I know this is Slashdot, but by petteyg359 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It ain't friendly to flood your neighbours' airspace with fiberglass particles.