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Apple Wants To Block Some HTC Products From US Under Tariff Act of 1930

An anonymous reader writes "Days after filing another suit against Samsung, Apple took aim at smaller rival HTC, filling a claim with the International Trade Commission (ITC) to ban the sales of the competing smartphones and tablets. Apple said that HTC was infringing on 'groundbreaking' [technology] that Apple developed for its iPod, iPhone and iPad products."

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  1. Apple sees the writing on the wall.. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contrary to Jobs' statements, they don't want competition and they learned their lesson back in the early Mac Vs. PC days when they got their lunch eaten by a bunch of nobody OEMs churning out cheap PCs. Apple's model is not sustainable, and it's even less sustainable when people aren't flush with disposable income. Any moron could have predicted Apple would be in trouble years ago - they're one company trying to make one model of phone (which is just an iPod with a 3G chip) versus numerous Android vendors each innovating.

    1. Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gahahaha, I'm sorry, did I just read you as writing that the android vendors are innovating?

      I hope you mean in terms of hardware, because they can keep their software/firmware "innovations" to themselves and let my battery keep its life while they're at it.

      What do you mean? My Evo3D has awesome battery life. It is certainly better than any Apple phone that's been released, and it has a gig of Ram and a dual core 1.2 Ghz processor. Sure, my Evo4G had piss-poor battery life, but it was nearly twice the speed of any Apple phone when it was released (1 Ghz vs 600 Mhz). That problem has been resolved. Where my 4G would lose 10%/hr just sitting there, my 3D can last the entire day with 80% left.

      Oh, and my Evo3d has a glasses-free 3D screen and 3D camera that takes 3D video and stills (or 2D if you wish) with LED flash, 4G speed and a 4.3 inch screen. Sorry, but I don't see anything Apple has ever produced that has "innovations" that match this. My phone even has a flashlight application that uses the LED camera flash with three different brightness settings. It sounds silly, but it has come in handy many of times.

      Sorry, but like the parent said, Apple produces one phone. It simply can't compete with the range of Android devices out there. You can pick up an HTC Hero for free or you can get a phone like mine for $200. Apple can't compete on either end of that spectrum. When they first release a new device, they are top of the line for about a week. For the rest of the time, they are middle of the road hardware with an OS that is really showing its age (no widgets? Seriously?). They can't last like this. They are a very innovative company that produces high quality hardware that are works of art, but they are still just one company trying to compete against several, each innovating their own thing. The only advantage Apple has today is in tablets, but I don't see that lasting past this year.

      No wonder Apple is scared.

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    2. Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Informative

      you think THAT'S innovation? So, when you went from your Evo4G to your EVO3D, how'd that transfer go? One click goodness like apple's system? Oh, right, you were too busy playing with a 600$ flashlight. Lol.

      It actually went quite well. I booted up the phone and punched in my gmail address with password and all my contacts were transferred over. Of course, I had to reset up my wallpaper and reinstall my apps, but that didn't bother as it gave me a chance to decide which apps I wanted to keep and which ones to leave behind. The app reinstall took about 15 minutes without ever hooking my phone to my PC. I went to the android market, clicked on "my subscription" and there were all the apps that I had installed on my 4g. Clicked "install" on the ones I wanted and ignored the rest.

      Of course, I had to reset up my wallpaper and "scenes". That took another hour. Oh, sure, I could have done it in about 30 seconds, but there was so much cool stuff to look at with the new widgets and all that I had to check them out.

      But as for the one click thing you mention, I did see an option for that when I signed up for the HTC web page thingie that will allow me to locate my phone for free. I didn't try it, so I can't speak about how well it worked.

      Oh, and I didn't play with $600 flashlight for too long because I got distracted by the 3D camera and free navigation packages that came with the phone. I find it odd that for the $600 you will pay for a new iphone, that Apple couldn't include either one of those.

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    3. Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Informative

      you think THAT'S innovation? So, when you went from your Evo4G to your EVO3D, how'd that transfer go? One click goodness like apple's system? Oh, right, you were too busy playing with a 600$ flashlight. Lol.

      Oh, and I should mention that I reinstalled all my phone apps from within Linux, although I could have used any OS. It didn't even have to be my own machine. I've installed apps from my work PC, friends PC, family's PC, even a buddy's iPhone. I can install apps from any PC without copying any files whatsoever to the PC I was using. I could have used the public library's PC if I wanted. Doesn't matter. You can install from a web page without ever hooking your phone to your PC.

      Later, I was able to hook up my phone to my Linux box and transfer all my MP3's and movies with a simple drag and drop....

      Did I mention that this was in Linux? I could have done it Windows or Mac as well, with no special software required. No iTunes to update. No "authorized machines" limit of 5. And did I mention it worked in Linux?

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  2. Re:Ironic by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Informative

    *By ironic I mean M$ and Apple appear to be colluding to take down another competitor while leaving each other alone.

    It's not just appearances. Apple, Microsoft and Oracle have actually formed up to go after Android: Apple, Microsoft, Oracle Lead Unholy Patent Alliance Against Android

  3. Apple has almost always been worse than MS by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just nobody noticed because they were tiny. For a little while in the beginning they were a real techie company. I call that the "Woz Apple." However it wasn't long before they became more locked down and controlling than MS ever was. I've seen it time and time again throughout their history, but they were small, it only affected a small number of people, most of them fans who would forgive any transgression.

    They also got a pass from a lot of geek types since they were "against Microsoft." They figured anyone who opposed MS in any way, no matter how minor, had to be a good guy. They never looked in to it past that. The love of the underdog and the dislike of MS meant Apple could do no wrong and they needn't look deeper.

    Now Apple is massive, they are a consumer electronics giant. However this is not because of any change in their way of doing business, just that they found a market that they do well in. However because they are large, people are taking notice of what Apple does. They seem to think Apple has changed, and don't realize that only their visibility, and the effects of their actions have changed.

  4. Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your post was right with the exception of this one part.

    What's more, the Android market moves much faster. Right now you can get Android phones with 4G, with dual core CPUs, with 3D screens. Now I'd say other than the first one that is not so useful, but it is new gadgets that people want.

    I own the phone you are talking about, the Evo3d. I wasn't too sure about getting this phone, even though I could get it for free (sold my Evo4G for $250 and picked up the 3D for $200. The extra $50 paid for taxes, fees and a new Zagg screen protector).

    I thought the 3D would take away from other things, like the fact that it only had a 5MP camera instead of the 8MP of the 4G. I also thought the 3D would be a gimmick. Well, it is a gimmick, but it's a really really cool one. Text messaging was a gimmick at one point. A camera was a gimmick at one point. I even remember when mp3 ring tones were a gimmick, much less an actual mp3 player. Of course, 3D cameras and screens won't become standard like text messaging, but it is still very cool. Go to a Sprint store, check it out and see how good it looks. I've taken 3D video and stills that will blow your mind, like a water skier with the rope close up and the skier far away or a simple coffee cup on a pier with the sunrise in the background. Awesome.

    The dual core processor is really handy. My Evo4G would become nearly unusable when installing or updating applications. My Evo3D can installs apps in the background without me even noticing.

    4G, of course, is pretty useful if, and only if, you are in an area with coverage and you are not going to venture out of it. For some reason, when the phone gains and loses 4G signal, the batter drains quickly.

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  5. Apple's Weakness by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too bad that Apple is admitting how they can't compete with their design and technology, so they will compete with lawyers instead.

    Sad.

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  6. Re:Noanbd NOT~ by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

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  7. Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It isn't like it would put them out of business, but it could shrink the profitability a lot and no company is interested in that.

    Take a look at the P/E ratio on AAPL of 16+, analysts' earnings and one (1) year target estimates; not exactly a bargain, considering the risks (Android is both a serious and viable competitor), if you ask me. Plus, if Apple fails to meet expectationsor worse starts missing on quarterly earnings because of Android then look out below because Apple has a long ways to fall, especially given the fact that its meteoric rise in recent years is due in no small part to the fantastically profitable iPhone. If you want to see an example of how quickly the markets and Wall Street can punish a tech company that fails to deliver on expectations, look no further than RIMM which some commentators now refer to as, "wasted research, downward motion". Research in motion is down 63% from its 52 week high; that's brutal if you were a buyer any time between then and now.

    I consider myself to be a fairly savvy investor, but the smart phone market changes quarterly and the pace of new handset releases, especially Android phones, is only increasing. There are many unknown variables, including killer apps or features, that are both disruptive and come out of nowhere on a regular basis. This may be good for consumers, but that level of risk and volatility, especially in a narrowly focused company like Apple with a healthy stock premium, is high risk and high stakes for all but the hardiest and best informed investors. I'm not a buyer of Apple, especially at these prices, because (a) the stock is expensive and (b) the risks in a disruptive and unpredictable business, like the smart phone business, with plenty of well informed insiders, are too high. In my opinion, most small investors would be well advised to steer clear of these rocky shoals. Alternatively, the telecoms have come down in price somewhat and all of those smart phone users are still paying $30+ per month, in spite of the jobless recovery, for their data plans.