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Bill Gates Looks to Reinvent the Toilet

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the German government are working on a $10 million project to provide innovative sanitation facilities to 800,000 Kenyans over the next five years. From the article: "The goal is to find 'innovative solutions' for sanitation in poor urban areas. Gates says it's time to move on from the era of the classic toilet. He points out that, despite all the recent achievements, 40% of the world's population, or some 2.5 billion people, still lives without proper means of flushing away excrement. But just giving them Western-style toilets isn't possible because of the world's limited water resources." I wonder what the toilet version of The Blue Screen of Death is.

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  1. Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just curious how someone will find a way to spin this as a bad thing. Will it be "Gates will probably insist they use only Windows toilets!"? Or maybe it will be "This is just a ploy for him to sell more Windows copies to the poor people after they take a shit!" Or perhaps "I'll be he'll ban Linux and Apple from these shithouses!"

    Come on, I know there are plenty of Slashdotters just ACHING to find SOME way, ANY way to bash him some more. Forget that Steve Jobs does NO charitable activities (Steve don't do charity) or that this has nothing to do with Linux. Someone will find a way. He's the guy with the Borg picture, after all.

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    1. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Bill Gates is awesome. I mean, who can't respect a man that is able to do so much evil, then do nothing to fix that evil (even lying to judges about it!), take a few years off, and make a comeback by using some of the money he gain via those evil deeds for charity, to the point that nobody thinks he's a bad guy!

      Incredible, I say. Imagine if Ted Bundy was able do this.

    2. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by nschubach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not like there haven't been all kinds of methods devised for getting rid of waste. Hell, NASA probably researched a million different chemicals and methods for getting rid of such waste. I'm sure they didn't just blow all that money on a single toilet.

      Also, there no need for name calling. So I went a little wordy with my sentence... big deal.

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    3. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the small villages in Pakistan can figure out that they need to go to "x" location on the other side of the hill when they need to dump their waste, why can't someone in Africa designate an area that people will go to do that?

      Why do they need someone else to come in and dig a latrine for them? Do they lack the knowledge on digging a hole? ... building a stick/rope structure to hold up a person? Why is there really an issue with people squatting anywhere they damn well please in Africa if all the other places all over the world figured this out already? There are remote places all over the world that have figured out that this waste is bad and they work with it just fine. How is it any different in Africa? They don't know how to mix the feces with dirt and/or bury it?

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    4. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by nschubach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure where my joking starts or ends. Could you clarify where you think I'm joking?

      You've listed a solution that may work for them. Why hasn't this billion dollar fund heard of these toilets then? What sort of solution is Mr. Gates looking for if these compost solutions were not sufficient enough for his solution?

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    5. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by Svartalf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heh... No...don't need to do that... A composting toilet breaks it down and renders the hazardous bacterial aspects of it largely harmless over time- typically a shorter period than the bulk wastewater treatment systems take to do it.

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    6. Re:Reflexive /. Gates bashing in 3...2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is there really an issue with people squatting anywhere they damn well please in Africa if all the other places all over the world figured this out already? There are remote places all over the world that have figured out that this waste is bad and they work with it just fine. How is it any different in Africa? They don't know how to mix the feces with dirt and/or bury it?

      This was my first reaction too---
      Step #1 - Dig a hole
      Step #2 - Place outhouse over hole

      Every month or two...
      Step #1 - Temp. move outhouse
      Step #2 - Dig new hole, placing dirt in old hole
      Step #3 - Please outhouse over new hole, mark old hole so as not to dig there for a while

      Then just make sure you aren't placing your outhouse holes somewhere that they contaminate your water supply (well), garden, etc...

      But, I'm guessing there must be some reasons they don't do this... maybe--
      - Population density? Too many poeple in a small area?
      - Soil issues? Maybe the soil consistency or water supply dynamics make it impossible to locate an outhouse hole close enough to be practical?
      - Lack of tools? Maybe things like shovels, hammers, etc are too scarce? Tho it seems like a larger supply of these items would be easier/cheaper to provide then new toilets...
      - Lack of knowledge/intelligence? Maybe Bill thinks African's are not intelligent enough to be able to learn, implement and pass-on this type of knowledge... I'm kidding of course, but it is odd...

      I know it's somewhat cruel and elitist, but I often can't understand the dynamics of these places in Africa... if you have these millions of desperately starving children, WHY do they keep having children?? And, if "we", the outside world, keep providing food don't we realize that we're just creating an unmanageable problem? If you have 10M people that can't feed themselves, so you feel sorry and give them food, you'll just end up with 20M that can't feed themselves on the budget of 10M persons worth of food you provide... thus you must provide even more food...

      Give a man a fish, feed him for a day... teach a man to fish, feed him forever. In this case our compassion to save millions of starving people will only serve to create TENS of million of future starving people........unless the dynamic there radically changes... but considering most of those commercials I see on TV show kids who are wearing loin cloths and lying in the dirt, it seems like there is a huge learning and cultural curve to overcome...

  2. Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation != Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last comment in the story about BSoDs is disappointing. I like to poke fun at Windows and Microsoft software in general as much as the next person over but I have genuine respect for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They're doing more to solve world problems than most countries are. I can recognize a good thing when I see it and making BSoD jokes when it comes to the foundation just belittles the work they do.

  3. Making fun of gates by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We all might make fun of gates but he's putting money into something that is worth while and often over looked. Having a safe place to poo is a pretty big deal, as it stands now a lot of places that don't end up draining into rivers and other water sources and making people sick.

  4. BSoD? Really? by fsck! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what you want about Microsoft, but that's no longer the same thing as Bill Gates. I've been a /. user for around a decade and have certainly made my share of bad Bill Gates jokes, but the guy is literally trying to save the world now. He has the money and the connections to do it, and the projects he's working on are incredibly selfless. Let's give him a break. OP was being very immature IMHO.

    1. Re:BSoD? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the guy is literally trying to save the world now.

      That's what he wants you to think.

      In practice, he's trying to buy himself a positive-opinion legacy. He did this by making a large foundation that runs itself like a business (and operates on vast amounts of money donated by other people), will exist in perpetuity instead of actually spending all its funds, and occasionally makes major decisions that primarily favor either his microsoft goals or the foundation's business goals, not actually doing better things for the world. For example, the microsoft 'charity' of donating their software (and getting tax writeoffs for its sticker price) to stop countries from using non-microsoft software (and often then charging them for upgrades a few years later, too). Or investing in polluting local industries. Or basically trying to kill/cripple the OLPC project because it didn't run microsoft windows and didn't fit his computing device worldview. Or campaigning against collective bargaining for prices on things like vaccines, guaranteeing that his own vaccination program is strictly limited. Gates also does a lot of things that won't necessarily even have a chance of working, but which will get him positive press; and/or tries to get positive press for good things that he actually has very little to do with. In this particular case, the piece is full of fluff... but even then, it's easy enough to read past the headline and realize it's actually the German government doing this, with the Gates Foundation just advising.

      His decisions don't always have some ulterior motive, but doing something in a poorly planned way because "we will do it this way, because I am Bill Gates and it's my money and I am the boss" doesn't help his attempts to construct a hero image of himself.

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  6. Re:Silly Gates.... by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not quite sure what this problem looks like in your imagination, but the fact is, we're approaching the stage where most of the world's population live in cities.
    Population density without the infrastructure to remove the waste is the problem. It's a very hard logistics problem.

    You can't just dig a hole 30m down the road in an urban environment.
    Also, "planning an outhouse", yes that's another problem since lack of infrastructure, poverty, filth and improvised shelter, ie slums, are all part of the mix.

    Lots of perfectly functional, albeit hippyish solutions like composting toilets do not scale to urban environments.

  7. No nice way to say this by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But there is a difference between not having a degree in biology or waste management and living under the control of people that tell you to pray for rain in a massive drought. Or who believe raping a baby (or any virgin but easiest with a baby) cures aids. Or eat albino people to gain their powers. And don't act so high and mighty, it wasn't so long ago in the west we burned people alive for voodoo, oops witchcraft or killed people for their faith and made lampshades out of them.

    Civilization, you never truly appreciate it until every last bit of it has been stripped away from you. There are still houses in western Europe where you can see the design for crapping out on to the street. The London sewer system isn't all that old (compared to civilized man capable of building a toilet) but us modern humans still rely on it because we are no longer capable of the massive engineering it took to build it to upgrade it to modern needs.

    A hole in the ground that is all? What about leach area, the radius around the hole in which you shouldn't dig or grow crops etc? How do you know? For thousands of year NO human knew. We thought smell kept evil spirits away. You and I can drink purest water from the tap for less then the cost of a peanut but drink instead poisoned water from plastic bottles at outrages prices and waste most of it for flushing the toilet.

    I sit here within easy reach of enough food to last me a week, pure water how ever much I want, power for a dozen gadgets, in building that doesn't even budge in the worsed storms. Maybe you are too, but I don't pretend that my state in the norm in the rest of the world. Am I grateful for it? Hell no, I am a spoiled westerner but at least sometimes a story like this reminds me there are other places in the world. Maybe you should too. Even knowledge we consider basic is not universal. Just because you had over a decade maybe even two of education doesn't mean everyone has.

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