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New Scottish Wave Energy Generator Unveiled
MikeChino writes "We've learned about Scotland's wave energy initiatives in the past, and just this morning the nation unveiled Aquamarine Power's next-generation Oyster 800 wave power plant. The new generator can produce 250% more power at one third the cost of the first full-scale 315kw Oyster that was installed in Orkney in 2009. The device's shape has been modified and made wider to enable it to capture more wave energy, and a double seabed pile system allows for easier installation."
Some kilts are longer than others, friend.
...the energy cannot be used to power homes or industry; it can only be used to inflate bagpipes.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Have gnu, will travel.
This is also the first power plant in the world to be painted tartan.
Well... every great plan has to have a doomsday scenario or two. This one is the worst yet.
As we know the tides are primarily caused by gravitational drag from the orbit of the moon. The moon has enough velocity that its orbit is actually widening, meaning the grip between the two bodies is getting ever so infinitesimally smaller. One generator stealing energy from this system is nothing, but once we start investing in it hardcore... the reduction in wave energy leads to extra gravitational drag on the moon, slowing its orbit... causing it to stop advancing, and be pulled in towards the earth.
By the time this is noticed, it is too early to convince politicians that something must be done now, and in fact, the push to convert more power over to wave energy.
How does it end? Well political infighting, and a new ad campaign by the deep ocean energy harvesters association begins extolling the virtues of the new larger moon, and begin funding both PR campaigns for surfing associations and contests.... and the new moon cult which has begun preaching that the moon is actually Jesus returning to earth. As part of their agreement with the energy harvesters, the cult members primary ritual consists of running Air conditioning all day long, with their windows open and bitcoin mining.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
I hope it works. It looks like it will start rusting the second its submerged.
"A farm of just 20 Oyster 800 devices would generate sufficient power for up to 15,000 homes"
or... 1 device can power 750 homes.
What's the cost? Since it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the press release, er, article, I assume it's still absurdly expensive.
Also, I still want to know what happens when the wind stops blowing, the sun stops shining, or waves stop coming.
WOW. Of the 1st 12 comments concerning this improved technology 10 are put downs or one sort or another.
Somehow I don't see that happening if it had been invented in the US. Oh yeah, maybe a joke or two but not 10 out of 12. Pretty damn sad.
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Scotland was a nation, even had its own King. Robert (The Bruce) defeated the English at Bannockburn.
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Capacity factors I found online for wave power put it at 30%-45% with a suggestion that 35% was a good average. That is, if the unit is rated at 800 kW peak, you can expect it to produce 280 kW averaged over the entire year.
Onshore wind farms have a 20%-25% capacity factor. Offshore wind seems to have a 30%-40% capacity factor, with turbines in the 1 - 4 MW range. So this wave power unit will on average generate slightly less energy than one of the smaller offshore wind turbines. In the KE = 0.5mv^2 equation, water has about 800x more mass than air, but the average wind speed is a lot higher than the average speed of the waveheight up and down. Enough so that it seems wind ends up having the advantage. (This is just a comparison, not a trade-off. You could for example install these wave power machines in between your offshore wind turbines.)
Comparing to conventional energy sources, the typical coal plant in the U.S. is about 340 MW with a 65% capacity factor, for about 220 MW average generation. So that's about 800 of these wave energy generators. The typical nuclear plant is about 1.55 GW with a 90% capacity factor, for about 1.4 GW average generation, or about 5000 of these wave energy generators. So we've still got a long way to go before these can truly replace conventional energy sources.
Unfortunately I can't find the price for one of these units, probably since they're still very much in the R&D phase. So I can't do a cost comparison. Also note that the Wikipedia entry for this project says it has three flaps each of which is capable of 800 kW. So depending on if the summary or wikipedia is right, the average power generated may be a factor of 3 higher.
If they incorporated a Scottish Yoke, just for the fun of it...
it's not british IT'S SCOTTISH!
and after the referendum in 2014 Scotland will be independent
Saor Alba agus Alba Gu Brath!
Poser - any Scotsman should know the whole island is Britain and it's hard to be independent of your own island. Perhaps you are confused as to the southeastern part of Britain? They're called the "English".
I can't stand this shit: "new power generation technology; it's 250% more powerful than the last one!" Yeah, that's fucking awesome - except that you're not really telling us anything. It can take 800kW? Great. What do you expect the mean and standard deviation of that output to be like? How much do you expect one of these units to cost? What, precisely, do you have to quantify this technology's value to the human race other than vagaries about green energy? We've got renewables - wind, solar pv, solar therm, hydro, geo - why is this one special?
This is not a put-down of the technology; this is a put-down of shitty publish-the-press-release technology reporting. Give us fucking numbers.
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I read "Scottish Wave Energy" and the picture that comes to mind is some red-haired bearded guys in Kilts doing the wave.
..the waves rule you!
You misunderstand motive; it isn't about where it was invented, it is about Big Energy not wanting competition. So slam it, put it down...discourage investment...discourage deployment.
Speaking of which, I do hope my surviving relatives in Britain understand that we in the U.S. tend to bomb the crap out of anybody who doesn't cooperate with - let alone threatens - the energy monopolies.
Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
Poser - any Scotsman should know the whole island is Britain and it's hard to be independent of your own island. Perhaps you are confused as to the southeastern part of Britain? They're called the "English".
Poster - any American should know the whole majority of the continent is USA and it's hard to be independent of your own majority of a continent. Perhaps you are confused as to the existence of this mythical independent Republic of Texas? And the Confederacy, that never happened either, because it is completely un-possible to have two separate, independent, sovereign countries in the same land mass. In fact that bullshit about the sovereign nation called the Vatican being right there in the same landmass as that other sovereign nation called Italy, well you DO know that's just a lie right?
A more appropriate analogy would be for Canada to become independent of North America, which would be a major civil engineering project.
Great Britain is an island that includes most of England, Wales and Scotland
The British Isles is a group of islands that includes Great Britain and Ireland (northern and southern)
The United Kingdom is a sovereign state that includes England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland
Poser - any Scotsman should know the whole island is Britain and it's hard to be independent of your own island. Perhaps you are confused as to the southeastern part of Britain? They're called the "English".
They have experimented these things in the Outer Hebridian Isles where I am from and apparently also out in Orkney (neither of those places are actually Britain, if you want to be pedantic : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain). The newer versions of these basically use wave energy to pump water onto the land and use it to turn turbines in a hydro electric fashion. The older ones turned turbines under water which, any fool will tell you generating electricity underwater is not the brightest idea.
They are pretty big buzz out in the Isles where most of the work is otherwise only part-time and seasonal.
There is a lot of oil and gas in the North Sea but it is costly and unsafe with current technology to extract from deep and hazardous water and with the 1960's ban on gas exports and low prices offered by the only buyer, British Gas, it is not financially viable.
The pictures show a big expensive jointed float.
Wind turbines are also big and expensive stiff machines.
When I as a physicist and engineer ponder on this, I get cheap light efficient constructions of film, like paragliders and balloons.
Why is this so?
Perhaps generators are expensive to subsidize industry.
Perhaps I am a genius.
Which is more likely?
LOL@ AC.. mind you, at least he knows his facts(the AC that is)
gaun yersel!..lol i voted SNP and have done all my voting life and it was amazing to see the results role in that night.. i stayed up all night it was just amazing!
Saor Alba
The European Union does not change national status. Each of the members of the EU is a soverign nation, complete with passports, Internet country codes etc. and all the trappings of sovereignty. Being an EU member doesn't mean you stop being a nation. There is no United States of Europe, there is no European Union passport. Only passports of the sovereign nations that make up the EU.
Scotland is not a sovereign nation, it makes up part of a nation, and the sovereign nation of which it makes a part is called the United Kingdom. Scotland stopped being a nation as soon as it was absorbed into the United Kingdom. You can't get a Scottish passport.
There are of course people in Scotland who want it to become a sovereign nation again, and if Scotland achieves this presumably it will be a member of the EU, which will not change its status as a sovereign nation.
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Since everyone will be confused about whether Scotland is a country or not, whether it's part of England or not or something called Great Britain or the United Kingdom, here is a video that explains Britain, the United Kingdom, Scotland etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
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Looks like from your figures it's going to cost more at point of purchase ten times as much to produce electricity as a coal fired alternative. But you can read the figures differently. A couple of thoughts here: ;-)
- first of all, early tech always costs more than mature technologies. Coal fired power generation of electricity is maybe 100 years old? so maybe we need to wait for a few years to see how the costs level up compared to this new tech
- second, total lifespan costs need to be considered. You've noted the cost of the purchase of the wave generator but not indicated the cost over the lifespan: the table you points to includes this detail further down and suggests coal fired is actually $0.15 / kw compared to $0.16/kw for wave power when this is taken into account (and including carbon costs). So even at this early stage it's not "a magnitude higher"
- trust me, the seas off the north of Scotland have waves 'pretty regularly'
Deliberately writing a comment which tries to confuse the term "soverign nation" with "nation" does not make your comment on topic. As a hint, if there wasn't a difference between the terms "soveriegn nation" and "nation" then people wouldn't tend to write it out in full.
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Wrong, eg. http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/home.php - Scotland, England, Wales, France, Italy and Ireland.
No it isn't. That's a small single generator of probably 1970s or earlier vintage, and you have several of them in a single power plant because you need a lot of cooling, water treatmentt, coal handling etc gear whether you have one unit or several. Many of the concrete cooling towers you see are designed to cool two seperate units for example.
If a power plant has for example four 650MW units that adds up to more than your number for nuclear, which is also wrong because there are some much bigger plants there along with the tiny research reactors and the many very small miltary run "power" plants in developing countries that bring the average down. Don't confuse "average" with typical and compare apples and orchards.
However, it's a myth that stainless steel is the best thing for salt water. It is fine for above-deck use because it gets washed clean by freshwater in rain. But the interesting ingredients of seawater can cause pinholing and stress corrosion in stainless steels, though A4/316 is better than most. Bronze (tin/copper alloy) is good and is traditionally used for throughhulls and seacocks. The usual solution (pun intended) is of course not to let seawater near any working fluid circuits but to use either hydraulic oils or a mixture of propylene glycol and water (anti-freeze) - use propylene rather than ethylene because it doesn't kill fish if it leaks out.
Corrosion engineering is a really fascinating discipline with many unexpecteds and gotchas.
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The video is wrong in one respect - it refers to Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland as "four co-equal and sovereign nations" when in fact none of them is sovereign - only the United Kingdom is. Scotland, Wales and NI have less sovereignty than a US state, in that the British parliament can in theory still legislate in any matter across the whole of the UK. In practice it doesn't do so (or does so only at the request of the devolved legislatures) because it would be political suicide.
fuck you it's not british IT'S SCOTTISH! and after the referendum in 2014 Scotland will be independent
Lets hope so, you porridge wogs cost us a fortune. At least £11 billion of English money heads for Edinburgh each year
Last I checked, independence had support of about 20% of the Scottish population. Seems quite unlikely that the majority will vote for independence. Given that Scotland gets a lot of money from the rest of Britain, only balanced out by North Sea oil, which is running out, I wouldn't be surprised if it had a lot more support in England than Scotland.
Personally, I'd like to see independence for Greater London. The rest of us would be a lot better off without it.
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It is works it's British. If it fails it's Scottish.
Much like Andy Murray.
You have to accept that is just the way it is (tm).
this is just not true. The barnet formula and the financial restrictions on the scottish government mean that scotland HAS to balance its budget every year - whereas england can continue to borrow at the expense of the UK (which ironically includes Scotland). Luckily (for us Scots), the Scots government didn't go PFI crazy and now runs at a lower cost per capita then the UK/england government allowing Scots to have better medical care and many benefits that the English do not get.
I, like an increasing number of Scots, hope that Scotland leaves the union. I pretty sure the UK government will do all it can using dirty tricks in the divorce process.
I, like an increasing number of Scots, hope that Scotland leaves the union. I pretty sure the UK government will do all it can using dirty tricks in the divorce process.
One benefit for us English is that we will be able to send our kids to Scottish Universities and pay the same fees as anyone in the rest of Europe .
chrisq.. keep on believing that delusion..lol
.. sad wee Sasainach eh?
Scotland when taken as separate from the UK is actually in surplus you muppet
Scotland contributes more than DOUBLE what it gets back from the union.. some fucking union dividend eh?
i think you'll fidn tat per capita london gets most spent on it, followed by northern Ireland followed by Scotland.
mind you westminster takes ALL OUR OIL AND GAS REVENUE and we get a pittance back.
the money that whisky sales generate is also quite astonishing and contrary to popular belief most of it goes to export.
I would hazard a guess Andrew Hughes Hallet knows more about economics that you in your blissful ignorance
Then there's the McCrone report which was done and kept secret as it showed that Scotland would be "embarrassingly in surplus if independent with one of the strongest currencies in Europe"
there is much more besides however i would imagine a lazy tool such as yourself would rather live in that blissful ignorance you seem to be so fond of, as many south of the border are.
Also a lot of the oil in OUR territorial waters are marked as "extra regio territories" to mask the actual oil income as "not Scottish"..
have a look at oilofscotland.org and maybe you might learn something about teh fact SCOTLAND IS IN SURPLUS and t's the "uk2 that's dragging us into financial shit.. plain simple fact.. however you would rather just call us "porridge wogs" which just futher demostrates how truly ignorance you are
Saora no Bas!
Last I checked, independence had support of about 20% of the Scottish population. Seems quite unlikely that the majority will vote for independence. Given that Scotland gets a lot of money from the rest of Britain, only balanced out by North Sea oil, which is running out, I wouldn't be surprised if it had a lot more support in England than Scotland.
Personally, I'd like to see independence for Greater London. The rest of us would be a lot better off without it.
well 69 seats and a whopping historic landslide victory at the last elections kinda takes a huge dump on your 20% number.
we'll see when 2014 comes along And as for north Sea oil running out... sorry but that's crap.. take a look at http://www.oilofscotland.org/ for some simple truths on that.. also have have massive reserves off the west coast and have a large stake on the Rockall claim.. so erm.. kinda blows yer paltry arguments out the water.
oh and as for your poll... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1535193/Britain-wants-UK-break-up-poll-shows.html
also remember that those morons at the telegraphs said that in 2009 support for the sNP and independence was at an all time low..... then they win an hostoric election victory against the odds of the single transferable voting system that was specifically designed so that no single party had a majority?
sorry but your just plain wrong.....
By the accepted usage, Scotland (England, Wales, etc) is not a nation. The nation is the United Kingdom.
WRONG.. very very wrong.. i suggest you read up on the4 articles of the union bud.. this is why Scotland has it's own legal system and is recognised as a nation in it's own right on that very document
... Of course, you can't put them exactly side-by-side ...
Side by side in series all around the coast, or perhaps several rows in parallel around the most suitable parts of the coast? After a wave has been over one of these things there's still a lot of 'wave' left, and certainly enough to make it worthwhile placing a 2nd row of these things.
As per a previous poster, it does seem like an interesting idea to build a wind farm with these things at the base of each wind turbine and share much of the infrastructure ...
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134 comments and not one references making a gun using wave motion. Slashdot, I am disappoint.
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if the oil lasts a lot longer in Scottish hands ;).
Thank you. I was about to make the same joke about Wave Motion Energy, and could it power a spaceship made from the remnants of the Yamato, but, you beat me to it.
I think back to my childhood, hearing that trumpet sound and hearing Orion say "Wave Motion Energy at 100%"
That's still my favorite tv show.... ever.
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it's hard to be independent of your own island.
Not that hard. Take a look at Haiti and The Dominican Republic. One is a total basket case, the other isn't. A strong wall and customs service on the DR side keeps them separate.
You're wrong. The Consent Motion is a practicality that allows Westminster to legislate on Scottish issues where it is agreed that this should happen, so that it doesn't become a constitutional controversy. It isn't strictly required, though. Parliamentary sovereignty still resides at Westminster.
A practical example is the disbanding of the Parliament of Northern Ireland in 1972, which would have been impossible had Westminster not had ultimate power over Northern Ireland.
This is the reason the political situation in the UK is referred to as 'devolution'. It would be a form of federalism if the powers were guaranteed.
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Isn't there a rock that needs to be returned from Enguhland?
I drank what? -- Socrates
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the only thing that counts is that scottland, wales and ingland have their own socker teams in the world champion ships ;D (no idea about northern ireland ... do they play socker there?)
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The island is called Hispaniola. Neither Haiti nor the Dominican Republic can be "independent" of Hispaniola. It's not a cromulent phrase. Similarly, Scotland cannot be independent of Britain. It could become independent of the United Kingdom.
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Right it is stupid the imply that any energy system needs to provide 100% of society's power needs to be useful
In Iowa, they've already gotten wind energy's contribution to up over 15% (up from next to nothing a decade ago)
does this solve everything? Does it eliminate the need for bulk-baseload power? Again No...
But 15% adds up to a lot of coal and natural gas not being burned, and that number is going higher.
Your figures are embarrassingly one eyed. The commonly held belief in Scotland regarding "ALL OUR OIL AND GAS REVENUE" is so incredibly short sighted. I've worked for several oil companies and I come from Aberdeen. The oil and gas revenue does NOT make Scotland in surplus, nor is it all Scotland's.
The politics of the SNP government in Edinburgh have been distinct for quite some time. Not a peep comes from Alex Salmond's lips without some underhand comment about Westminster being to blame or holding us back. The task in the UK is to balance the budget. Scotland as an independent nation would never have been able to bale out the banks - regardless of what ideas you peddle as the "truth".
The financial "shit" in Scotland can easily be traced back to our two big banks fighting it out to take over NatWest. From that point on, financial controls at both banks started to slip and were never checked back to reality. The result is plain for all to see. Wasn't helped by the Chancellor Gordon Brown loosening the controls on the banks on a near yearly basis. Our two big banks took a path of richness that ended up in the financial mess we are all in. They weren't alone, but to try and pin the financial crisis on England is simply ridiculous.
We are stronger as a whole. I'm British, Scottish and Aberdonian. Don't bother questioning my loyalty to any of those. But perhaps because I live and work outside Scotland gives me a broader outlook. Every country has a favourite target to hit. England just can't get over Germany or Argentina being an enemy at football. As a nation, we seem to pick England as the enemy for anything we choose.
Sad really.
Perhaps we ought to invest in some nuclear power stations before all that resource gets used up. Don't quote any Fukushima nonsense to me - that event has been handled really well by the team there and the overall result is that the most exposure to radiation of ANYBODY in Japan has been roughly the same as mild sunburn.
Nuclear needs to deal with the disposal issue, but we really need it to provide the firmest baseline for any energy policy.
The SNP response? Let's build a 200mile corridor of the biggest pylons in the UK right through the highlands. Quality idea - devoid of nearly any rational thinking.
Excuse me, Sir,
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The three laws of thermodynamics:(1) You can't win. (2) You can't break even. (3) You can't even quit.
By the accepted usage, Scotland (England, Wales, etc) is not a nation. The nation is the United Kingdom.
Sorry, but the most important international organisation, FIFA, disagrees with you.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Does it eliminate the need for bulk-baseload power? Again No...
Charge batteries
Heat molten salt
Pump water uphill
This is a SOLVED PROBLEM
With the first link, the chain is forged.
Charge batteries
Expensive and limited in life.
Heat molten salt
Round trip efficiency is very low (unless your energy source starts off as heat, which wave/wind/tidal don't), which means expensive.
Pump water uphill
How much land would you like to flood for reservoirs?
This is a SOLVED PROBLEM
Not so easily, alas.
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All you need to do is:
Invent perfect batteries
Invent self perpetuating molten salt
Invent a dimensional pocket to store the salt when not in use.
This is a PROBLEM SOLVED.
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that is utter bullshit! the word independence is in their manifesto, it was mentioned plenty on TV and on the street. i as actively campaigning for them here in Edinburgh.
it's absolutely STUNNING how much bollocks your average unionist is prepared to talk at times!"
there is much more to Scotlandf than just oil and gas but LOOK at the McCronre report, not my words but the words of a westminster economist who stated "Scotland would be in an embarrassing surplus it it became independent"
Aye said like a true quisling that actually hasn't read the genuine facts of the case.. http://www.oilofscotland.org/ go on actually take a look!
erm.. no it can be traced back to that walking turd gordon brown and his perpetual deregulation of the banking system... twinned with similar madness accross the Atlantic with bush's deregulation of their banking system and the trade in toxic assets amongst many other factors, and btw we have more than 3 banks here, the Clydesdale also has a charter to mint/print as well....
who said anything about blaming the english or england??? the fault lies in westminster.. you presume too much sir.
nd yeah i would question loyalty to Scotland most certainly....especially as how you live and work outside it. I am 41, and have lived and worked outside Scotland however only about 40% of the time each year and i ALWAYS come back home, so yeah i would question it entirely... .. mind you.. you are not even here to see how the wind blows politically at ground level.
I am Scottish NOT british with absolutely no compromise on that and come 2014 we will see how wrong you are
well you got one but right.. we ARE a nation however there is a difference between England and westminster you know. i happen to be a civi nationalist as are the SNP so it's not about hating anyone it's about wanting the best for your country and in this instance this means independence first ad foremost.. hence the upcoming referendum.
and btw if you read the big lie by Niall Aslen who is a forensic accountant and by far more qualified than either me or you to comment you might just see the facts... he clearly demonstrates how Scotland is fucked over by westminster. also Scotland natural resources are FAR from just the North sea West of Shetland AND Rockall immediately spring to mind
And when independence comes we'll also have the 6000square miles of our territorial water back thanks
i'd take a long hard loo at your ex-pat self before opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble again.. check that ACTUAL FACTS first
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more people than you reckon read manifestos. when we were knocking doors e handed them out to each person then on the subsequent follow up visits 80% of people would ask questions based on what they read within it
:P
don't assume people are as lazy as you when it comes to political matters. the reason they were the best choice is simple, unlike the westminster based parties they only have Scotland's best interests at heart.. Also on the door steps and living rooms we were ALWAYS asked about independence and when the referendum would be.. to which the answer was 2014.. the 700th anniversary if Bannockburn and people liked that idea.
Also in waiting that little while it give the tories and lib-dems time to show how things will just get worse under the union and also fro the SNP to fully prepare an effective campaign.
The SNP took MASSES of life long labour voters and also masses of lin dem voters and this while Alex Salmond(leader of the SNP) was on TV talking about independence on BBC's Question time and other programs. EVERYONE and their dog knows the SNP's raison d'etre is independence.
Also your point about tuition fees don't even apply in Scotland... we don't have college/university fees and never will, thus making your point about the lib dem about turn on tuition fees in England and Wales less than a moot point and rendering your analysis defunct.
The plain simple fact is that the lib dems signed their own political death warrant in Scotland because the simply teamed up to put the tories back in power, something Scotland finds repugnant after thatcher fucked over Scotland in the 80's. Labour have abused the electorate by taking the position that they have some kind of god gien right to get elected in Scotland and keep their snouts in the trough of the expenses. They have been consistantly caught, as have the tories and lib dems claiming false expenses.. NEVER has there been any of those problems with the SNP. Whe Wendy Alexander(former Scottish labour leader) played silly buggers with her expenses for her election as leader of the party was caught out it led to hr losing what little credibility she has left.
Both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon used their own personal money and didn't take donation or redirect money from dodgy committees and constituency funds for their campaigns. simply put the SNP is the only party in Scotland that doesn't NOT have a tarnished reputation and doesn't answer to westminster bosses, their only concern is Scotland and the people of Scotland's well-being and future.
Also i could indeed call you a unionist or at least someone taking a unionist stance do to their lack of actual knowledge of the Scottish political scene and the political history of Scotland.
Just because you may live here doesn't mean you know what the score is here bud.... simple as that
so ah'll dae and spraff whit ah wahnt tae yah radge
Saor Alba!
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Speak for yourself. I've learned a lot about HPHT drilling from working in the North Sea, and I make a niceliving selling that experience overseas.
Check your facts.
Right. So the dozens of gas wells on my CV were all loss-leaders?
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Check your facts.
If all you say is true, please kindly update this with your more accurate information.
oops the link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil#cite_note-BP_history-3
Dates for installation of trans-border pipelines? I'm not really sure, but I don't think they really got going until into the 1980s. Certainly when I was starting working in the late '80s there was still a lot of construction of pipeline systems to collect gas from the Northern sector which had previously been flared off. When that lot started coming ashore, then it became feasible to start thinking about exporting gas.
Of course, we're an importer again.
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