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Senators Taking Sides In AT&T/T Mobile Merger

Sniper98G writes "US senators have no official power to block the AT&T/T Mobile merger. But that has not stopped them from making strong recommendations to the FCC and the department of justice. This whole situation has left me asking 'If the US senate and house are so concerned about a Triploy in wireless communication, where are the hearings about why most US household only have access to one or two wired communication providers?'"

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  1. This is not what you think by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They had plenty of time to "take positions" earlier but remained silent. I have to wonder if this has more to do with collecting campaign funding than actually caring about a cause.

    1. Re:This is not what you think by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 2

      Not to mention, that with the exception of Al Franken, there was near total silence on that NBC/Comcast abomination.

    2. Re:This is not what you think by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it isn't purely about campaign funds (though not saying that it doesn't come into the equation). I see this sort of thing ALL the time at work. I think of it as the "Me too, I have input!" syndrome. Take a middle or senior manager, then talk to them about something they have no clue about or haven't ever spoken about, then count to three and get interrupted at two - at which point the chime in with (most of the time) some totally irrelevant input, sometimes totally wrong input, or bring up a "new" point that was already discussed in detail by people who know what they are talking about in the last meeting.

      Do these points bring value to a conversation? Nope. Do they help the rest of the people in a meeting? Nope. Do they make the person look like they are involved? Sure, to others who also have no clue - perhaps they even make the person look smart to others with even less clue.

      Now, I present Exhibit A. The career politician. These folks spend their entire lives in the above syndrome. Sadly, most of the time they aren't managed out of the company or in this case voted out of office.

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    3. Re:This is not what you think by Grave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The "Me too, I have input!" syndrome, as you put it, is still about getting re-elected, if you ask me. Why else would these people chime in on a subject they can't control and have little knowledge of? To stay in the public eye, and be able to say "I opposed this" or "I supported this" when their next opponent in the campaign cycle decides to challenge them.

      End re-election concerns by going to single terms, and I bet most political posturing and useless activities like this would end (or at least become significantly less).

    4. Re:This is not what you think by dkf · · Score: 2

      The "Me too, I have input!" syndrome, as you put it, is still about getting re-elected, if you ask me.

      You get it any time you have a committee, no matter how people are chosen to serve. I put it down to the mammalian scent mark urge. You know how the neighbors dog insists on pissing on your gatepost just to say "I was here" to other passing dogs? It's exactly the same, and to about the same effect on the thing getting pissed on.

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    5. Re:This is not what you think by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      You don't even have to mention Al Franken to get the "conservatives" to stampede to proclaim the NBC/Comcast merger as the best thing since sliced bread, they will naturally do it. I would say with Franken's record in the Senate I am seriously considering voting for him next time. Last time around I didn't vote for either since Franken's talk show persona was so different from how he was running I didn't know what one to believe, but I was sick of the lies and BS from Coleman.

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    6. Re:This is not what you think by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      So basically you are saying this is political cock waving.

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    7. Re:This is not what you think by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      The few good politicians that have, follow, and run on principals other than I want to be a career politician just get drowned out and called the extreme nut jobs by the rest of their party.I would also throw Dennis Kucinich in as a good politician. In my years of following politics it seems that if both Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are for something it is probably a good thing, and if they are against it it is probably a very bad thing. Too bad that when they are in agreement the rest of the house and senate seem to vote the other way.

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    8. Re:This is not what you think by kryliss · · Score: 2

      Apparently the same people that "trust" a canidate with less than a year of political experience to be a president.

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    9. Re:This is not what you think by s73v3r · · Score: 2

      Is there anything that happens in Washington that isn't political cock waving/cock measuring?

    10. Re:This is not what you think by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      Mentioning Al Franken in the presence of self proclaimed "conservatives" is like waving a red flag at a bull. They will stampede to proclaim the NBC/Comcast merger as a shining beacon of free market supremacy and the best thing for the consumer since sliced bread.

      What an apropos analogy. The advent of sliced bread was hailed as a time and labor saving wonder. But people lost control of what was in the bread. When you cut bread into thin layers the increased surface area provides more opportunity for mold to take hold. Also, moisture is lost at every cut, allowing the bread to go stale faster than whole loaf bread. These problems are overcome with additives not used in home baked bread. Most people won't bother to make bread, and thus are locked into what is sold at the local store. In 2008, the U.S. bread market reached $20.5 billion, a free market triumph of epic proportions... as long as you don't care about what you are eating.

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    11. Re:This is not what you think by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      You know, with issues as complex as Universal Health Care I think there is plenty of room for intelligent and principled people to disagree. Let's let them debate the REAL issues and maybe come up with a good solution. I never mind discussing issues with intelligent people I disagree with, even if in the end we still disagree, because I feel like I've gained something from the exchange (hopefully a mutual feeling). On the other hand, arguing with somebody touting the party line is just tiring - I gain nothing but slogans, and know that my words are falling on deaf ears.

      The problem is that it isn't people of intelligence and principle who end up leading the debates - it is people touting sound-bytes to get re-elected or otherwise benefit personally.

  2. Hmm... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clearly someone has missed their yearly bribe payment, oh wait, I mean "campaign contribution".

    I'm sure this will all get sorted soon. Once that check gets deposited, it always does...

  3. Wireless = National, Wired = Local by CorporalKlinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In answer to the question from the original post... I think there are no hearings about wired communication "monopolies" because there are a variety of wired providers nationally, even if only one or two of them service each domicile or office. There's still comparatively heavy competition in most markets for wired communications services. Wireless, on the other hand, utilizes a finite resource (EM spectrum) and the 4 remaining carriers are largely the only ones available in the US. If I move from Miami, Florida, to Miami, Ohio, I probably have the same options available to me. Virgin Mobile, Boost, Wal-Mart Mobile, etc. all lease their spectrum from one of the big 4, so they aren't true alternatives or competitors. Three providers (or really two providers since I don't count Sprint) controlling all of the cell network EM spectrum seems like a very bad idea. I think that's why Congress is more concerned about the wireless merger than the paucity of wired communications providers serving Podunk, Montana. Other thoughts on this?

    1. Re:Wireless = National, Wired = Local by magamiako1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's still comparatively heavy competition in most markets for wired communications services.

      ^What? There is *no* competition in "most markets" for wired communication. None. Zero. Nada. There's so much conspiring to work against it that it's sickening. MOST wired "competition" is merely reselling connections from the larger providers in a way to lower the cost through the purchase of bulk bandwidth. As an example in Canada, Rogers and Teksavvy.

      AT&T and Verizon are known to do this in the US as well with small providers.

    2. Re:Wireless = National, Wired = Local by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      You're right of course, and I'm not sure why OP worded that the way he did. The real problem is that that there is little to nothing that the Federal government can do about the lack of competition in wired markets. The big 4 (3?) wireless carriers are national (really international, but for purposes of this discussion it's irrelevant) companies that touch the lives and pocket books of Americans everywhere. If you're in Portland, Maine you have essentially four choices for wireless; if you're in LA, California you have the same four choices. Guess what your choices are in Anchorage or Miami? Yep, same guys. Given that these guys have a national oligopoly, their behavior and capabilities are naturally of concern to the national government.

      By contrast, wired communications is managed in a distinctly local way. I might only be able to get Comcast where I live, but if I move across the state I might only be able to get Cox. You may not, as an individual, have lots of choices for broadband, but there are lots of choices. It's just that combination of your local government and history have prevented you from seeing more than a small selection. Local governments managed wired communications, the federal government (to the extent anyone does) manages wireless communications.

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    3. Re:Wireless = National, Wired = Local by compro01 · · Score: 2

      Virgin and Boost don't buy from the big 4, they ARE the big 4.

      Virgin and Boost are wholly owned subsidiaries of Sprint.

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    4. Re:Wireless = National, Wired = Local by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      The real problem is that that there is little to nothing that the Federal government can do about the lack of competition in wired markets.

      How about giving grants to communities to pay for them building their own community-owned infrastructure so that companies can lease access to fully built-out fiber networks instead of leasing access to the ground and running their own? Government-owned infrastructure eliminates the sole reason for granting monopoly status to telcos, and in so doing, opens up the possibility for broad competition because of the drastically lowered cost of entry into that local market.

      The only real disadvantage is that the local government must either understand how to build out a fiber network or must bid-contract it out to a company to build and manage the infrastructure for them. Either way, the key requirement is that the company building out that infrastructure must have no ownership rights in the result, and that should be a precondition for any such grants.

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  4. Telecom monopolies by darjen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The reason they aren't upset is that the telecom monopolies are and were always caused by explicit government policy.

    Read The Myth of Natural Monopoly by Thomas J. DiLorenzo http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE9_2_3.pdf

    The record of Congress in the telecom industry is so poor. Why would anyone even give two thoughts about what these politicians say?

  5. Sodium Triploy Phosphate? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Do you mean triopoly?

  6. Re:pedantic language comment by King+InuYasha · · Score: 2

    Except there is some evidence to price fixing for rates. Verizon and AT&T are only a few dollars difference to each other per month, though you get less for more with Verizon's service. If you remove T-Mobile, then Sprint will fall, and then people will really notice how odd it is for AT&T and Verizon to have similar rates. Roaming rates are a form of price fixing that AT&T and Verizon heavily rely on as well. As a result, the only carriers that can offer rates lower than $40/mo are ones who don't allow roaming (Sprint Prepaid Group, basically). There is a tenuous balance of two GSM and two CDMA2000 national carriers that deflects away attention from the indirect and direct price fixing that AT&T and Verizon do in the market. If T-Mobile is absorbed by AT&T, Sprint will fall, and the federal government will have to step in, again. Once they step in, they'll have to take drastic steps to make sure the market is as fair as possible. Admittedly, they won't get far because AT&T and Verizon "contribute" to so many campaign fund ventures.

    For this reason, it is extremely important that the government block the deal. They'd rather not have to heavily regulate the telecom market like they did prior to the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

    Technically, the Telecom Act of 1996 also deregulated fixed internet services too. As a result, it is actually possible to start up a new broadband internet service company and offer service. However, it is a very expensive venture. Which means that nobody will do it unless they feel the social benefit outweighs the financial risks and costs (a la Google Fiber).

  7. They just don't like the new name by jbarr · · Score: 2

    They just don't like the new name that it would become: AT&T&T

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  8. business literature by Weezul · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's well established in the business literature that large stock mergers like this almost always hurt the acquiring company's stock holders, as well as employees and consumers. I'd imagine this even applies to the acquired company's stock holders.

    As a rule, the only people that benefit from the acquisition are the executives of the acquiring company, who's power & compensation increase vaguely proportionally to the size of the company they run. In effect, the acquiring executives are devaluing their own stock holders investments to make themselves more important and force those stock holders to vote them more compensation.

    Just fyi, cash mergers average out like investing in the S&P500. In a cash merger, the acquiring company's executives have real utility for cash on hand, so they negotiate a fair price or make better strategic decisions even when overpaying. In the stock merger, they simply acquire the largest company possible using other people's money.

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  9. Re:difference between T-Mobile and other carriers by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 2

    I got a text message from T-Mobile a few weeks ago saying their price for text messages will go up to $0.10/message on August 13th. They might not be waiting for the AT&T takeover to do their learning.

  10. Pressure on AT&T by dave562 · · Score: 2

    This is a huge gamble for AT&T. They are basically trying to buy a 4G network instead of building it themselves. They've made the gamble that they can buy T-Mobile and bribe regulators for less money than they would have to spend to build it themselves.

    Of course the consumer will get screwed in the deal. Rather than having two 4G networks to choose from, we will be left with one over subscribed 4G network and thousands of fewer jobs once AT&T gets finished digesting T-Mobile and jettisoning the remaining workers. The merger is a complete FAIL for everyone other than AT&T. The fact that Congress is evening considering letting it happen just shows how dysfunctional our government is.