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Ubisoft Brings Back Always-Connected DRM For Driver: San Francisco

Last year Ubisoft introduced DRM for their PC games that required a constant internet connection, going so far as to terminate single-player games if the connection was interrupted. After facing outrage, boycotts, and DDoS attacks, Ubisoft seemed to have softened their stance, issuing a patch for two games that allowed offline play. Unfortunately, it seems the change wasn't permanent; Ubisoft's upcoming racing game Driver: San Francisco marks the return of the contentious DRM.

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  1. That's ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll re-institute my boycott of Ubisoft, and nothing of value was lost.

    1. Re:That's ok by Lord+Crc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, I was going to get this on Steam, but that's just completely unacceptable. No sale.

    2. Re:That's ok by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously since you refuse to buy it, you're just a filthy pirate.

      Arrr. At least according to Ubisoft.

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    3. Re:That's ok by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed, it's not just Ubisoft, and it's not just for DRM, and it's not even just games. My GF got pissed at Comcast because when she decided she didn't need both a landline and a cell (she's on SS and rather poor), the cable price didn't go down so she just dropped Comcast.

      Her daughter gave her a camera for Xmas last year and it was full, she wanted me to help her put the pictures in the PC. As soon as I turned it on, Norton complained that it needed to download updates. These days why do you even need AV without a net connection? The AV insisted on a net connection.

      I plugged the camera in and Kodak demanded an internet connection to download its software. It didn't even need the damned software! after killing some processes, Windows happily downloaded the pictures from the camera.

      People need to understand that a computer isn't a phone and has a lot of uses besides just surfing the web. We used computers without a net connection for decades. There is no reason whatever, from a customer point of view, for all these damned companies to demand an internet connection for a device or program like an AV or a camera or a single player game.

      I pulled out my phone and emailed complaints to the damned companies, not that it will do any good.

      If a single player game won't work without the internet, PLEASE don't buy it!

    4. Re:That's ok by myurr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But the severity of the reaction will diminish each time they pull this stunt. By the 5th or 6th iteration it's likely to be such a subdued reaction that they'll get away with it completely. It seems to be human nature that each time we are outraged by something, the impact each time it happens slowly diminishes until we accept it as part of life.

    5. Re:That's ok by marcello_dl · · Score: 2

      If you think about it, it is difficult to believe any manager with enough power to make this kind of choices is a somewhat retarded guy which can't see even immediate consequences for his decisions.

      IMHO the objective is to make people accept the always connected slav... er.. lifestyle. A company gets damages because of that policy? well, what's a company? a name on some assets owned by the same banks that own the competitors' ones. Under control of the same class of PHBs which went to the same schools, got the same degrees, and switch from one name to another.

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    6. Re:That's ok by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Funny

      It seems to be human nature that each time we are outraged by something, the impact each time it happens slowly diminishes until we accept it as part of life.

      That seems to be true. At first I was outraged that I wouldn't be playing any Ubisoft games anymore but now I'm actually okay with it!

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    7. Re:That's ok by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      Most people, myself included, think Steam is a reasonable compromise. There's DRM, but it's pretty consumer friendly. Once the game is activated the first time it works fine without an Internet connection (or if Steam drops off the face of the Earth tomorrow). Since typically you're activating the game right after you just downloaded and installed it, chances of you not having a 'Net connection aren't high. It's not perfect, the chance exists that some time in the future you might want to reinstall a Steam game you purchased years ago and Steam might have gone out of business... By that time I've usually lost at least one of the media disks anyway, so the risk from my point of view is pretty small.

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    8. Re:That's ok by JuicyBrain · · Score: 2

      How does this hurt them more ? The way I see it, it hurts them even less.If nobody buys the game AND nobody pirates it, this is a statement. It's a message that says :"Your DRM sucks and we won't give you our money until you remove it". Otherwise, if too many people pirates the game, it only justifies their use of DRM and may even be used as arguments by lobbyists to have new harsher laws against piracy or ask for government money.

    9. Re:That's ok by mpe · · Score: 2

      Worst of all is that recent cameras seem to be going back to the late '90s method of using a proprietary transfer method that requires a special application. What's wrong with USB Mass Storage mode? None of the recent consumer cams have it.

      How many of these cameras store their pictures some kind of removable SD card...

    10. Re:That's ok by Tom · · Score: 2

      Actually, that is not always true.

      What is true, however, is that in politics and PR, there is a very common trick: Announce some plan so out there that protest is guaranteed. Wait for the protest and check how widespread and loud it is. Then adjust the real thing that you had planned all along to be just under your estimated protest threshold and release it as the "compromise solution".

      In most cases, you will get more than if you had gone for the real thing right away, and with less protest, as people think you have "given in".

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    11. Re:That's ok by Em+Ellel · · Score: 3, Informative

      The computer is a "communication" device. It is a fairly safe assumption that it is, or will be connected to the internet at some point, more often sooner rather than later (or never)..

      Erm, computer is inherently a computing device, not a communication device, thats why they call it a "computer" and not "communicator".

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    12. Re:That's ok by FlyveHest · · Score: 2

      One time validation and offline play != Always on, always validating

      Just to set things straight

  2. And "From Dust" by Elbart · · Score: 4, Informative

    "3rd-party DRM: Ubisoft Online Service" http://store.steampowered.com/app/33460/

    1. Re:And "From Dust" by ultranova · · Score: 4, Informative

      "3rd-party DRM: Ubisoft Online Service" http://store.steampowered.com/app/33460/

      I guess the choice will be the Pirate Bay Edition, then.

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    2. Re:And "From Dust" by Khyber · · Score: 2

      That has to be a violation of the anti-tying clause of Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

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    3. Re:And "From Dust" by barrtender · · Score: 2

      This is one of the games that I was really looking forward to, but I'm not going to support "always connected" DRM. Thankfully I looked it up and it appears that the decision for this game has been reversed.
      http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111941-From-Dust-Always-On-DRM-Rumors-Denied-UPDATED
      *Check the update

      Unfortunately the reversal only went part-way. Apparently the game will still phone-home on launch, though, which is basically as bad.
      http://www.shacknews.com/article/69474/from-dust-pc-doesnt-use-always-online-drm

      Yeah, I'm not buying it.

  3. So? The game will just repeat itself. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They return to using the same harebrained DRM scheme, we return to boycotting it. Why does UBI think it will be different this time? That we somehow magically now accept that kind of crap? If anything, the people who got burned by their previous attempt at it will now be wary and also abstain.

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    1. Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but if the maker of a game I want to play requires me to be connected to his server all the time just to play it, I will not accept this deal. It pretty much means that this maker will dictate for how long and under what circumstances I may play the game. He can change the rules later and impose even more drastic control over it and I could not do anything about it. He could turn off the server and I doubt I'd get my money back if he does. Essentially, I pay for the game, but the control over how, when and if I play it remains in the hands of the entity who sold it to me.

      The console "look and feel" due to more and more games being nothing but cheap ports after being developed for a console is a problem, agreed. But invasive DRM is not the answer. We won't get better games just 'cause DRM will keep the PC gaming platform alive. They will still do cheap ports without adjusting for the different controls and stack the DRM on top of it. But it has its advantages. When I saw R.U.S.E., I wanted it. Badly. I saw the DRM and I abstained. By now, I now that it's just a cheap console knockoff and hence I'm pretty glad I didn't waste my money on it. If more games had invasive DRM at release, I would have let a few more slip and wouldn't be angry at me now for buying a game that pretty much requires a console controller to be played sensibly on a PC.

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    2. Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. by mcvos · · Score: 2

      If DRM allows true PC version of games, then so be it.

      But DRM doesn't allow true PC versions of games. If anything, it reduces the market for them. And there were plenty of PC games before DRM.

      We are already seeing that PC is not very loved game platform.

      Mostly because of the crippling DRM that so many games are saddled with. DRMless games are thriving.

    3. Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      These are all examples where the game originally worked. Which wasn't the case with UBI's "have to connect to play" scheme which failed miserably when it was first introduced, with people unable to play for days.

      And while gamers accept things like privacy invasion and having to do without user maps and DLC, and while they may accept that servers will be turned off eventually, especially if they're not interested in playing a game longer than for maybe a year, what they DO care about is whether the game works when they buy it or not.

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    4. Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      Yes, they can turn off the server after a while.

      For those of you who may be unfamiliar with basic online game architecture, most multiplayer games have something called a "master server" or "control server". Let's take Valve's game for instance - when you hit "Find Servers", the Master Server is rung up and presents a list of all servers that respond. Valve's system pretty much entails all of their games, so we're still able to play fantastic stuff like Team Fortress Classic over a decade after they've come out.

      On the other end of the spectrum, we have TRIBES. Sierra apparently thought that a single server was way too expensive for their gaming heritage and finally shut it down... for about a month. During that time, the community banded together and made their own master server along with a client-side patch (that is quite simple) which permits you to lock onto the new master server and find games (which are indeed still going today).

      This is why I've leaned more towards PC gaming. One day Blizzard will shut down WoW... and private servers will spring up, just as there's hundreds of them now. Prefer Vanilla WoW? There's an emulated server for you. Everquest has a movement to have an emulated server where the game is like it was in 1999 - much, much more hardcore. (Everquest has softened up a fair bit over the years, much like WoW has over the years.) So long as there are dedicated fans a game will never die. And if a game does truly die... then it probably wasn't all that good in the first place.

  4. Simple solution by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't buy their games.

    They come out with the most amazing game in the world, but if they insist on doing this, they won't be seeing any of my money.

    Seriously, they wonder why people pirate their games. Yes, there are people wanting it for free, but there is a growing number of people who pirate it just to get away from the DRM.

  5. pirate it by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    well, that game just went on my "download a pirate copy, just because" list.

    I just realize that this has been a trend for me for years now. If I read "DRM free", I feel zero inclination to go on btjunkie - either I like it and buy it or I don't and don't. But the more DRM there is in the crap, the more I'm inclined to most definitely not give them my money.

    Too bad we're not in the majority. Just imagine if putting DRM on your game were a surefire way of having close to zero sales, but being on the top of the torrent lists. The whole thing would disappear so quickly, we'd wonder if it was all just a dream.

    Because in the end, these guys are just about money.

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    1. Re:pirate it by flimflammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I don't understand DRM these days. DRM doesn't stop pirates. Pirates never have to deal with DRM, and even this advanced form Ubisoft is throwing around has been rendered useless in previous games infected by it. All this sort of thing seems to discourage is actually purchasing the game at all.

  6. Not for me by g051051 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm already getting a refund for an Ubi game that has that DRM (The Settlers 7). They tried to push me back to Steam for a refund, but I pointed them to their own EULA, where it says you can get a refund if you don't agree to the DRM and the retarded Ubi launcher, and they're handling it.

    No game is so good, interesting, or important to my life that I'd be willing to submit to this always on DRM.

  7. I don't boycott much by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I do boycott overbearing DRM schemes. Seriously, this serves nobody's interest at all. It's now more difficult for me to even *look* at buying your games because I have to check if it has junk like this attached to it. So when it comes to purchasing decisions, if I see "Ubisoft" I have to expend more effort to check the product first before I buy it. That means that unless it's something fabulous, the chances are I just won't bother, and the name Ubisoft will put me off everything (it's already starting to now!).

    And this time next year Ubisoft will be saying that sales of game X slumped because of completely unverifiable piracy when in fact it was just people annoyed with either previous or new purchases that have shite like that and either pirate or stop buying that and other, completely unrelated, products from Ubisoft.

    Not everyone has a perfectly stable Internet connection, not everyone has a perfectly stable wireless connection, not everybody wants their PC constantly communicating online and taking up bandwidth for no good reason (how small the bandwidth is is irrelevant - it's more than it should be and adds up if every game were to go this route, you play a lot, and you have low bandwidth caps in the nation you're in). Just someone uploading photos as you try to do something can kill the average ADSL connection, now it means the game pause/saves/quits.

    The people who don't have that stuff will be buying single-player games or games with lots of single-player content and still you force a completely ridiculous requirement on them.

    A reliance on a constantly-available Internet connection to a third-party server in order to play a game is ridiculous. Hell, I might as well VNC into a damn computer on the other side of the world and play that way, there's little difference in practical terms between that and this DRM. Connection lost? Bye-bye game, or at best constant pauses and saves because it thinks it's gone.

    In work, I have literally told companies to get lost after they tell me that the new iteration of their software is an online-only, access over the Internet, lose your session if it dies, affair. It's not that it won't work most of the time, but the point is that we lose control over when it does work. If local software dies, I can restore an image, or rebuild a machine, or do something to get it back and working. If remote software dies, we just have to twiddle our thumbs until their support line frees up.

    It's a ridiculous thing and solves no problem that exists. Pirates will crack round it in days. Consumers don't have any problems without it but have massive ones with it. And console versions OF THE SAME GAME don't have that stupid requirement, despite consoles being online nowadays.

    I loved the original Driver. The series got a bit lost after that but I was actually eyeing this up on Steam with the intent to buy it. Saw a thread on the steam forums pointing to those same articles, read them, saw the Twitter comment from Ubisoft itself and instantly removed it from my wishlist. My life is too short for that shit, my gaming time is gaming time, not tech support time. Ubisoft has forgotten that they are providing entertainment - that means "get everything out of my way because I want to have fun". Strangely, I don't want to be diagnosing my wireless/Internet in the middle of a game session, and will just choose a game that doesn't require that.

    P.S. The game also doesn't support steering wheel controllers. A driving game. Seriously.

  8. Oh, I get it. by Seumas · · Score: 2

    We don't want to keep wasting all those resources developing for the PC. We're going to make DRM on the PC a complete piece of shit situation. Nobody is buying the game on the PC, now. PC gaming is dying. We can't make money on the PC. We're only making titles for consoles, now.

  9. A better protest by Comboman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better (and legal) form of protest is to give the game a one star rating on Amazon and note the DRM problems in your review.

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  10. Re:DRM by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not about the pirates.

    It's about sliding us into a Guilty-Until-Proven-Innocent culture!

    The TSA will like this. "To prove you are not a terrorist, you must be constantly connected to our Trusted Citizen network. If you lose your connection, then you lose your trusted status and will be treated like the terrorist you have become until we clear you again."

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  11. Boycott is the wrong answer... by cypherljk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're going about this the wrong way. We should all buy copies of the game and then return it the next day because it won't play without the internet. That will cost Ubisoft thousand of dollars handling returns / RMA's from their various vendors and send a clear message about the DRM.

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  12. Re:DRM by ArcCoyote · · Score: 2

    they DO want to do something like a trusted citizen program but you have to opt in.

    If you're in it, you're pre-screened and get on the plane quicker. If you're not in it, nothing changes, you go through the same thing you do now.

    but forget about the TSA... Presumed guilty is the attitude of the credit agencies.

    Try getting a good rate on a car loan when your last one has been paid off for 5 years, you rent your home, and you pay for everything with cash or debit card.

    It doesn't matter if your income shows you can easily afford it... (and the lending bank KNOWS this because you have your checking, savings, and credit card with them!) ... You're more of a risk with no credit than with a bad credit history.