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Breaking the Codes In Oslo Terrorist's Manifesto
repvik writes "The 1500-page manifesto of the terrorist who killed 77 people in Oslo and on Utøya two weeks ago contains a series of seemingly encrypted URLs. There are 46 of them, and the initial part of the URLs appear to be GPS coordinates. An effort to analyze the codes have been launched."
they all lead to goatse
The alleged perpetrator of the terrorist attack posted the manifesto online himself before going on his rampage, and everything in there is on the internet and people have been reading and analyzing it since.
If he explores all forms and substances Straight homeward to their symbol-essences; He shall not die.
Most likely its being made public just in case this is some sort of instruction system for various cells.
I imagine the reasoning behind it is to let anyone who might be thinking of following the instructions know that they're onto the fact that there is something here.
There is also benefit to crowd sourcing it this way in that someone may have been involved and may be able to use "figuring out the code" as an excuse without incriminating themselves to come forward and help prevent whatever these codes may set into motion.
Keeping it secret and trying to solve it with limited resources isn't going to do much good. So, rather than being idiots, they've taken the logical route.
The goal here is to prevent any further atrocities. They may not catch the cells this way, but they may dissuade them from acting at all, or they may catch a guilty conscience that helps solve the whole thing for them rapidly.
If the whole point is saving lives, then I feel, as they obviously do, that this is the best way to go about it.
My guess is that when he entered strings like this into his wordprocessor
52.068.4.309plusf24:KWimfhh436383717863
That it interpreted the numbers as IPv4 addresses and prepended http:/// onto it. If someone can verify then that part of the "mystery" is solved. It has nothing to do with URLs.
Better known as 318230.
Except, instead of dissuade them, it would more likely force them to speed up their plans. You really think crowd sourcing this would get better/quicker results then the dedicate code breakers at some place like the FBI or MI6? You really think, "possibly", dissuading them is better then actually catching them?
Here's the problem:
If i had a grudge against humans, or a certain set of humans, or something really stupid like that and I wanted to do something that will get me remembered, for whatever reason, in the history of man, I'd do some crap just like this. Make up a "manifesto" of probably gibberish, encyrpted and whatnot, so peeps would spend many hours of discussion and get me remembered.
So do we think we'll get a better understanding of the dude who killed those people by figuring out his stupid manifesto? And that will help his victims how exactly? I mean, i'm sure their families are probably helping figure this manifesto out and twitting it to all their friends. (yes, i'm being fucking sarcastic here).
Crazy people are, well, crazy. It doesn't matter their reason for doing stuff like killing people. That shit ain't cool, and shouldn't be going on, no matter the reason. But very little we will do, will stop the crazies from doing the crazy shit.
Sometimes there are signs, and sometime we recognize crazy before crazy gets killing. But most the time, we don't. We don't realize that crazy is just under the skin of that person we talk shit to all the time. We don't realize that everyone has crazy in them, and sometimes, the littlest things set crazy off.
Of course, i could be wrong. This murder might have the answer to life, the universe and everything in his manifesto. And even if it did, it's not worth our time trying to find out. Dude went out and killed a bunch of people to get attention for his manifesto and here people are, giving it attention.
what dude did worked, and your showing that to every wanna be "terrorist" with a grudge against something and a chip on their shoulder, that if you want attention, kill some peeps and you'll get it.
Be seeing you...
Most likely its being made public just in case this is some sort of instruction system for various cells.
By that admission, the Christians running the Western governments are as dangerous as the so-called "terrorists" they demonize in Rupert Murdoch's media.
In other words, not only are Christians idiots, but easily manipulated idiots in high places with the power to influence what people do with their lives. That's why larger and larger numbers of people are seeing them for what they really are -- idiots. The party of "can't do." You can't enjoy premarital sex. Marginalize homosexuals. You can't do this, you can't do that, or else you're going to hell. Which proves many times over what people from civilized countries have been saying about us the whole time: Americans are fucking morons. Put off that stem-cell research, god (as interpreted by half-ass churches) doesn't want humans to live.
Fuck you, assholes.
Considering the FBI and MI6 don't have jurisdiction in Oslo, very probably.
Also, why would terrorist cells communicate via secret text in 1,500 page manifestos? It just doesn't make any sense. Encode some data into witty photos posted on Reddit photoshop contests. Mix some in torrents. Or, gasp, talk to people. Let's be honest here, most terrorists don't communicate by massively arcane technological methods. Most just talk on forums, make phone calls, or chat through chat programs.
Anything embedded secretly in a 1500 page highly public manifesto is basically advertising intended to keep people excited and talking about the manifesto. And at that, the nutjob wins. But the idea of some form of meaningful project-based communication between terrorists happening secretly via 1500 page manifestos is ascribing a degree of power to them that I personally have trouble stomaching.
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Because anyone who is going to use this information to do harm already knows it. The thing people seem to forget whenever something scary happens is that the "bad guys" aren't stupid. Terrorists know how to use a computer. It's better that everyone knows the information so that everyone can use it to prevent whatever attack it might indicate.
The two choices are NOT:
1. Keep the information secret and the bad guys will never find it
2. Release the information and the bad guys will use it to do bad things
The choices ARE:
1. Keep the information secret and everyone is caught with their pants down when the bad guys, who figured all this out on their own, do bad things.
2. Tell everyone the information so that any Tom, Dick, and Harry knows what the bad guys are going to do and they can take appropriate measures.
-1 disagree is not a modifier for a reason. -1 troll, flaimbait, redundant, overrated are NOT acceptable substitutes.
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and, to accommodate Slashdot's filters...
b.e.s.u.r.e.t.o.d.r.i.n.k.y.o.u.r.o.v.a.l.t.i.n.e.
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... and remember, that's just Manifest O. There's 25 other letters in the alphabet.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
I'll wait for the movie.
Too soon?
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
Looks like it's Oystein, (a.k.a. edison) in charge of the operation. He's one sharp cookie and has been in the Norweigan scene for decades. I remember how fun we he was 20 yrs ago. xD I'm sure it will be solved soon.
You seem to be making an assumption, that the "authorities" have released this information. If I were to research that possibility, I may very well find that your apparent assumption is correct. However, when I read TFS and TFA, I see no such indications. Unless you are familiar with the author, and/or the website(s) involved, I can't see that your assumption is warranted.
What I believe has happened is, some pretty sharp people have read that manifesto, and some random people noticed what looks like an encryption scheme. Some of those people may or may not be acting in some "official" capacity - or not. It's quite possible that the governments and/or authorities failed to notice any encryption scheme used in the manifesto.
I'll confess that I read over the manifesto, and I tried to use the "links". It never occurred to my feeble mind that those links might represent anything other than outdated links. And, of course, I'm a bit lazy - I never searched for alternative routes to those links, or searched the wayback machine, or anything else to resolve what those dead links might represent.
Based on my own limited, personal experience - they don't even LOOK like encryption, so I would NEVER have started looking for ideas, without prompting from someone else. Of course, I'm no cryptographer. Codes tend to kick my ass, no matter how simple.
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The weird URLs are hidden in with the regular URLs. I never tried to click on any of the URLs, so I never even noticed it before it was mentioned here. There are spots in the manifesto where he will have a "references" section, with a list of URLs, numbered 1-26 or whatever. Only there's two #13's -- the first one is the real reference 13, and the second one is one of these weird URLs (which technically aren't URLs at all, because they don't seem to use any known addressing scheme). So they are not only obscured or obfuscated in some way, but they are also deliberately hidden in the document, presumably to be discovered by somebody at some time.
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I am sure that this will be lost time. Worse. Spending time with his manifesto is exactly the thing, the killer wants us to do. He is not worth the time and effort, his manifesto is also not worth it.
The murders were his PR campaign. Don't fall for it. I know that a "damnation memoriae" will not work, but don't help a killer with additional attention.
I don't want to know about his childhood, i am not interested in his home stories, i don't want to see his pictures or see his manifesto publicly discussed.
If you want to spend time, do it for his victims. What where their dreams, ideas, visions? Try to use your words to keep their memory alive, not some sick bastards.
Yours, Martin
Your points remind me of a fortune I read recently:
"A commercial, and in some respects a social, doubt has been started within the
last year or two, whether or not it is right to discuss so openly the security
or insecurity of locks. Many well-meaning persons suppose that the discus-
sion respecting the means for baffling the supposed safety of locks offers a
premium for dishonesty, by showing others how to be dishonest. This is a fal-
lacy. Rogues are very keen in their profession, and already know much more
than we can teach them respecting their several kinds of roguery. Rogues knew
a good deal about lockpicking long before locksmiths discussed it among them-
selves, as they have lately done. If a lock -- let it have been made in what-
ever country, or by whatever maker -- is not so inviolable as it has hitherto
been deemed to be, surely it is in the interest of *honest* persons to know
this fact, because the *dishonest* are tolerably certain to be the first to
apply the knowledge practically; and the spread of knowledge is necessary to
give fair play to those who might suffer by ignorance. It cannot be too ear-
nestly urged, that an acquaintance with real facts will, in the end, be better
for all parties."
-- Charles Tomlinson's Rudimentary Treatise on the Construction of Locks,
published around 1850
When things get complex, multiply by the complex conjugate.
Sheesh, don't bother going to the trouble. You've got the killer, just try a little waterboarding and save the time and money.
That is not the Norwegian way. Norwegians are a people of honor, who won't stoop to the level of the evildoers in order to fight evil. The reaction to the deed was one of sorrow, reflection and (and this is hard to understand for outsiders) love and openness instead of hatred and retaliation. In the days after the attack, the prime minister and mayor of Oslo walked around in public with less protection than before, precisely to show that the terrorist would not win by changing Norway for the worse.
In polls, Norwegians are overwhelmingly against the death penalty, torture and revenge, and more so now after the UtÃya tragedy. Norwegians want to distance themselves from everything the perpetrator stood for, and retaliate by doing the opposite of what Mr Breivik thought he would achieve.
The great majority of Norwegians want him to have the same rights as any other accused, and be judged and sentenced for what he did in a fair trial, and not risk jeopardizing justice by the police overstepping their limits. If the police can torture Mr Breivik today, they can torture you tomorrow. Punish him by exposing him to a fairness he never showed others. He will have plenty of time to reflect on how what he did hurt his cause, due to Norwegians being Norwegians, and not Americans.
I've read some of his book. I won't finish it (not enough time in my life), but it's worth reading at least the first couple chapters and skimming the rest. It's scary to do because you'll find that it's not "incoherent ramblings" as the media tells you - quite a bit of it is eloquently written (I suspect it's stitched together from multiple sources) and presents some decent arguments. I'm pretty far to the socialist side, and he's hard-right, but I agree with some of what he's saying, even if I think the conclusion that he reaches (that it's time for Europe to rise up against the oppression of the current ideological regime) is bunk.
This tragedy isn't caused by simple Crazy. An important ingredient is Ideology. To prevent future killings in this form - lone wolf, keeping a low profile - you have to fight the ideological reasons that drive them to do such a thing.
The amount of Crazy this takes is not Batshit Insane. It's a lack of critical thinking about the flaws in their ideology, the conclusions they've reached, and the worth of the actions they will undertake; nurtured a supportive environment which will encourage his thoughts; but still enough sanity for long-term planning and preparation without raising red flags.
Police work does not find these types. Some idiots will fuck up and get caught, but there are lots of people out there who are lacking in the critical thinking department. Some will always slip through.
The way you defend against this is not to brush him off as Crazy; but rather to dive into his mind and try to understand what drove him to kill 77 people. And once you do, you, a rational thinker, need to talk with other people who may hold radical ideologies and help them to understand where the flaws in their beliefs are before the real Crazy takes hold and they start shooting.
And you can't until you let yourself really understand his ideas, rather than just getting the two sentence blurbs. Know - deeply, intellectually - your enemy.
That must have been one big cookie!
I wish people still expressed themselves with such eloquence. This used to be one of the first skills taught to a young gentleman - now it is rarely taught at all.
Perhaps the problem is lack of gentlemen (and ladies).
Well, except for all those calling for more gun control, even though given how methodical this ratfucker was all the gun laws in the world wouldn't have changed the outcome. Although to be fair from what I've found on the matter more calls for increased gun control seem to be coming from Sweden than Norway, which is rather amusing.
As a "gentleman" was someone who did not have to work for a living
Not true. The term has had a lot of meanings over the centuries, but the common use in the late 1800s and for the last century was related to behaviour, not to income. This usage goes back to about 1400, although other uses (e.g. implying nobility by birth or the ownership of land) were common until about the time of the industrial revolution. Most gentlemen who did have to work would have been members of the professions (as opposed to the trades - a profession largely being defined as a job suitable for a gentleman) and would have included teachers, doctors, and lawyers, for example.
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Norwegian govt are totally butt buddies with any intelligence service. When the KGB comes, they pretend to be a little bit communist. When the CIA comes, they pretend to be a little bit capitalist. Don't forget, Norway was (is?) one of the countries where the CIA was caught trafficking detainees to Guantanemo from. We don't have secret torture prisons (afaik), but you know, some secrets are still just a secret. The US was also caught having a spy base downtown Oslo, as our government was caught knowing about it.
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Be very very careful with thinking this guys was 'crazy' or a 'loon' or 'insane'...
He was anything but. He was very convinced about being right, highly intelligent, well read, and well versed.
Dismissing him as a 'crazy person' is extremely dangerous, since that will never allow you to actually find out why he did this.
There are a lot of people that have the same ideas he has, a lot of them even publicly. The fact he decided to take violent action based on that idea is something to reflect on, not something you should push aside as 'crazy'
Coz eternity my friend, is a long *ing time.
Daily Mail readers have already been getting the manifesto in serialized form for over a hundred years. Were house prices and vaccinations discussed at all in the manifesto?
nauseating
The really nauseating thing is that he is, of course, exactly right about some of what's in there. That the truth is mixed up in crazy land is part of the problem with guys like this - because when they're calibrating their world view, even their irrational minds can find some confirmation of their suspicions/projections, and it happens just often enough to keep them going on the loonier stuff.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I don't think he had a too clear idea of actual crime levels in western europe from ww2 to today nor does he seem to have any clue about the decade before fifties(or much about anything before or after that). It's pretty apparent that he didn't, for a terrorist it's kind of strange that he in that way doesn't seem to be too familiar with political groups in europe which used terror a lot from fifties to nineties. the rhetoric is just your usual lies of old people that go "young whippersnappers these days are no good at all, when we were young we had manners and nobody raped anyone ever and we married before we had sex and no divorces!" and attaching that to foreigners being around.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
From a purely legal viewpoint, until there is a sentence he is "alleged perpetrator".
Note that (in this case) it is probably just a formality (he won't be released under bond or whatever). But it is good to use the distinction so we can remember it in other, less clear cases that arise. It will be also useful in those cases where the press shows the public lots of circunstancial evidence with just the "right" spin while forgetting of the allegations of the defense.
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