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Obama Administration Closing Recently Opened Datacenters

An anonymous reader writes "After quadrupling the number of government datacenters over his first three years, Obama's Administration is reversing course and closing the most recently opened datacenters. With one datacenter reportedly the size of three football fields, my question is what happens to all those recently purchased servers? Will the government hold a server fire sale? Count me in!"

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  1. Timing... by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

    The wording of this post makes it seem as though the data centers were initiated via policies of the Obama administration. However, the reality is that the data center expansion occurred during the policy of the previous Bush administration with funding requested in 2006, approved in 2007 and implementation initiated in 2008 a full year before the Obama administration took office. The Obama administration approved the continuation of the policy in 2009 and 2010 and are currently altering the data center strategy.

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    1. Re:Timing... by astrodoom · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So what you're saying is that the qaudrupling over the last 2 years WAS from the obama administration's continuation of the policy, but they didn't start the policy?

      idk, I'm all for specificity, but that seems a bit nitpicky. Either way, they're cutting the data centers now, which is a great move for cutting waste since they're running at 27% utilization. Sad that it means cutting the jobs associated with those data centers, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

    2. Re:Timing... by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you ever worked for an organization larger than 1000 employees? Larger than 10,000? I don't know how many people are employed by the federal government, but it's a lot. And there are a lot of programs that have interwoven dependencies. Whether you think that the government should be smaller or not, whether you think that all the programs are worthwhile or not, big decisions have big implications, and it's not usual for large organizations to take several years to make a decision and even longer to implement them.

      To that end, it's entirely possible that these datacenters were planned during the Bush years based on policy decisions made in the Clinton era, which were in turn affected by the Reagan/Bush1 years. Wings of a butterfly and all.

      The point of the GP was not, as far as I can tell, "BUSH BAD OBAMA GOOD!", but rather, "This is not an example of a bad decision made in haste and reversed in haste."

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    3. Re:Timing... by jhoegl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Republicans dont care if Bush started it, in their eyes anything Obama does is bad, even if it is along their beliefs or party lines, or what Fox News said they should do previous to him actually doing it.

      Troll me if you want, but I am tired of this back and forth nitpicky. Get the fuck off your high horse and look at the individual, not the party.
      Know your history, party centric nations oriented in pride and blind following lead to bad things. You should all know the wars that were fought, and continue to fight where the opposing nation was based on this.
      We are USA, we are individuals coming together for a common goal, to live free from oppression and tyranny. Yet governanced by the majority (supposed to be). Remember your individuality before you "tow the line".

    4. Re:Timing... by sycodon · · Score: 2

      Stuff like this is largely out of the hands of a President. It's part and parcel of the whole Ship of State thing. The Captain only gets to point which way to go. Things go on below desks that he has no clue or real control over.

      We are being ruled by bureaucrats.

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    5. Re:Timing... by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

      Republicans dont care if Bush started it, in their eyes anything Obama does is bad, even if it is along their beliefs or party lines, or what Fox News said they should do previous to him actually doing it.

      You're correct, but that cuts both ways. Allow me to demonstrate:

      Democrats dont[sic] care if Clinton started it, in their eyes anything Bush does is bad, even if it is along their beliefs or party lines, or what MSNBC said they should do previous to him actually doing it.

      Troll me if you want, but I am tired of this back and forth nitpicky. Get the fuck off your high horse and look at the individual, not the party.

      I'd rather not be trolled either, but I too am tired of the back-and-forth bickering. I'm also tired of the feigned outrage and rhetoric that both sides utilize. The Republicans claimed the Democrats were going to kill grandma with death panels during the health care debate. The Dems. thought that was completely over the top. But then during this whole budget debate the Democrats claimed the Republicans were going to kill Granny by pushing her over the cliff because the tea-baggers were going to withhold her her SSI check. They're both full of shit.

      Know your history, party centric nations oriented in pride and blind following lead to bad things. You should all know the wars that were fought, and continue to fight where the opposing nation was based on this.

      I agree with you that everyone should know their history and where they came from. But the way our supposed leaders are running things, I don't think you even need to understand that far back anymore. What they said when they were campaigning seems more pertinent. Did they vote on bills in the manner you thought they would? If not, vote their ass out regardless of what letter was next to their name. Stop keeping people in office because you think a R looks better than a D next to their name, or vise-versa. Actually listen to what they claim they are going to do. If you believe that their ideals meet yours closer than their opposition then vote for them. If they get into office and don't do what they promised, then vote them out the next time.

      We are USA, we are individuals coming together for a common goal, to live free from oppression and tyranny. Yet governanced by the majority (supposed to be). Remember your individuality before you "tow the line".

      I fear this is more lip-service than reality these days.

    6. Re:Timing... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Obama was trying to do the classic Keynesian response to an economy in a death spiral and that is for the government to make up for the loss of consumer spending. Well it failed, all it did was delay the inevitable. While they are afraid to say the word, like thinking if you don't say the name of the monster standing right behind you that will magically keep you safe, the simple fact is what they are gonna call a "double dip" is actually the beginnings of a worldwide depression.

      In this case we have allowed the corps to ship the jobs overseas but the musical chairs with people's IQ have left more and more and more of the population behind. As technology advances ever faster the simple fact is trading money for labor will become as much of a thing of the past as 8-tracks. Even as we speak they are testing automated construction equipment that can take the raw materials and make perfect roads by using GPS and onboard mapping. Fast food jobs are "make work" that would have already been replaced by automated assembly lines if it were for government assistance making it so the food franchises can hire people below the market wage and let society make up the rest.

      In the end there will simply have to be a fundamental shift in the way we do things. The traditional capitalist framework simply breaks down when you have 300 people for every job, and each year that number is gonna jump as more and more high tech jobs will begin to be phased out by the machines, just as the low tech before them. Look at some of the latest things being tested in sever tech, smart servers that know about their own conditions and can monitor and change to suit conditions and even call a tech when they detect a failing part. A job that once took thousands of skilled workers will in the end be able to be done by a handful of low wage button pushers who simply do what the machines tell them.

      Sadly like all major shifts in our history this one will too likely be bloody and painful. I predict a good 20 year plus depression as those at the top despairingly cling to the idea that the old system still functions and refuse to admit they have large masses of people whose labor simply is no longer required. But short of a plague or WWIII causing a mass dying out we have simply have to accept that the old models simply no longer work in a time when even the hardest jobs can often be done safer, faster, and cheaper by the machine.

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    7. Re:Timing... by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Republicans dont care if Bush started it, in their eyes anything Obama does is bad, even if it is along their beliefs or party lines

      Were that a fair accusation to level as broadly as you have-- and its not fair-- I would remark that it would be a kind of tit-for-tat for everything Bush has taken the blame for that isnt his fault.

      For example--

      • Starting 2 wars without congressional authorization (he had full authorization for both; Obama has started a new war with NO congressional authorization)
      • Implementing the full body scanners (these were done under Obama's watch, with an Obama-elected TSA head and DHS head)
      • Causing the market to crash (most economic gurus Ive heard plant the blame squarely on housing loan requirements instituted under Clinton)

      And so on. To turn around and act like Dems dont do the exact same crap that you accuse "Republicans" (however broadly you mean that) of is just hypocritical. This is why I can barely tolerate watching politics on TV or listening to it on the radio. Its not just Dems or Republicans who pull this kind of blame game crap and claiming that the other side is retarded and politicking and being obstructionists; but the people who do it need to shut up and get out of politics, because this isnt how adults are supposed to have rational discussion.

      For someone to come onto slashdot and to blindly point at their political foes and declare THEM to be irational, fallacious monsters is just ridiculous. I would propose that until you are able to see-- and call foul on-- the shenanigans that your OWN side commits, you are in NO position to accuse others of being irrational.

    8. Re:Timing... by NateTech · · Score: 2

      They get a vote.

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  2. Stimulus. by wsxyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all of the equipment is sold for scrap at pennies on the dollar, they'll build the datacenters again. That's called stimulus in action.

    1. Re:Stimulus. by fafaforza · · Score: 2

      A motorcycle analogy: we let the young and inexperienced riders buy bikes too shiny and too powerfull for them. And then they get scared of them in a light crash, we buy said bikes from them at deep discounts and end up with a brand new, albeit scratched, bike for half the price.

  3. Re:Obama wastes taxpayer money? by Aryden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yepp, his fault that something that was approved, budgeted and begun before his administration was done... (this is my glare face)

    He approved the continuation based on being told that these centers were necessary for data retention and they aren't. So they are getting closed. As any good business person would do when faced with budget restrictions.

  4. Cloud First by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is probably related to the "Cloud First" strategy adopted by the outgoing CIO Vivek Kundra. http://fcw.com/articles/2011/02/28/buzz-cloud-computing-and-budget.aspx

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  5. Pork by markdowling · · Score: 2

    Cue yelling from Congresspeople whose datacentres are getting chopped.

    "Sack someone else! Cut somewhere else!"

  6. Re:DRMO by will_die · · Score: 2

    Since none of the them DoD they will not be sold through DRMO, most other agencies go through the GSA

  7. Re:Obama wastes taxpayer money? by b0bby · · Score: 2

    FTA:

    Over the last two years, the number of U.S. data centers has quadrupled, and yet they are running at only about 27 percent utilization, according to the Office of Management and Budget. The maintenance costs of these data centers, including backup power supplies, air conditioning, fire-suppression and special security devices, has been astronomical, causing them to consume 200 times more power than the typical office space. By more fully utilizing the remaining data centers, the White House hopes to maintain current service levels while drastically cutting costs.
    So far the Administration has shut down 81 of these data centers already this year, and has a goal of shutting down another 195 during 2011, and 97 more by the end of 2012 for a total of 373. Beyond 2012, its overall goal will be to shut down 800 data centers by the end of 2015, which it claims will save taxpayers over $3 billion annually.

    It makes sense to me that if you're running at 27%, some consolidation should take place. It also makes sense that this would save money going forward. I don't even care if it was Bush that ordered them, we should save the money now.

  8. Re:Gubmint in Action: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fire! Ready? Aim.

    FTFY

  9. Re:Gubmint in Action: by sycodon · · Score: 2

    The Government is off its meds.

    Only that could account for the schizoid policy decisions.

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  10. Re:The Slashdot test: Failed by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the article specifically says that servers quadrupled in the past two years under a policy approved by Obama (although it was started by Bush). So it was Obama who bought those servers. But, what the heck, you don't need to think when you know it's all Bush's fault!

  11. Deactivated systems will not be sold in the US by ebunga · · Score: 4, Funny

    Due to national security, servers will be divided into those that hosted classified materials, and those that did not. Those that contained classified materials will be labeled as Securely Ensure Nonrecoverable Destruction To Ostensibly Completely Hinder Internationally Notorious Agents, but that's a bit long, so really they will be labeled with the acronym SENDTOCHINA. They will be melted down locally and then sold for scrap. Those that do not contain classified materials will be sold to China to help ease their demand for computing resources that they already build. These will be labeled Mutually Economic Lateral Trade. That too is a bit long, so the systems that should be sold to China will be labeled MELT.

  12. Re:Gubmint in Action: by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

    You have heard of the Republican party - right?

    There's a reason they're off the meds - its cos the republicans have cut medicare

    Strange, I thought GWB was the president who signed Medicare Part D into law. ;-)

  13. Re:Gubmint in Action: by wsxyz · · Score: 2

    There is a bit of a mandate at the moment to reduce government debt/growth. There's far too much dysfunctional, ideological infighting to do this effectively or efficiently.

    Since we apparently can't reduce ANY spending to the military (a few less $1B planes?) or on a variety of wars

    Talk to Leon Panetta about that one.

  14. Re:The Slashdot test: Failed by BetaDays · · Score: 2

    Obama saving us money? Your kidding right? I have faith he is just getting rid of them so he can rent them off of someone else at a higher price. Or maybe he got in with Amazon to scale up as need with cloud services kind of like what United Kingdom is up to http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/07/21/uk-government-now-using-huddles-platform-for-top-secret-documents/. Or the fact that Hillary Clinton is shipping US datacenter jobs off to Inda so we don't need a lot of computing power over here. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/india/india-and-us-to-work-together-on-datagov-and-against-cyber-crime/633 So we will never know.

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  15. Re:Gubmint in Action: by operagost · · Score: 2

    Also strange-- it's mostly Dems who voted for the health care bill last year that CUT MEDICARE.

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  16. Re:Gubmint in Action: by operagost · · Score: 2

    Since we apparently can't reduce ANY spending to the military

    Wrong. $350 billion was just cut in the BCA, with about 600 billion more if other cuts are not agreed on by the deadline. Far too little, of course, but a start. An average of $35 billion a year is, indeed, 35 of your planes.

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  17. Re:The Slashdot test: Failed by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not really. If you're going to blame anybody for wasting money, it really ought to be the GOP. They're the ones that insisted that giving money to the rich in the form of tax cuts would result in increased tax receipts. Not to mention the fact that they were the ones that engaged in 2 off the books wars and numerous other accounting fixes to make it appear that they weren't overspending by as much as they were.

    As far as cuts go, if the rich would pay their fair share, even if it's just proportional to the amount of wealth they control, the cuts wouldn't need to be as deep to services.

  18. no fire sale by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    > Will the government hold a server fire sale? Count me in!"

    I would guess not. Rather than dilute the server market, negatively affect server manufacturers' profit margins and chance a bad news event, (and incidentally have to admit to bad planning) they'll crush the servers.

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  19. Re:Gubmint in Action: by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Hey, I just made my first car anthology!

    You always remember your first.

    Muffins for all!

  20. Re:Obama wastes taxpayer money? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    So what's the difference between bush being told they are necessary for data retention and funding vs obama completing construction and continuing funding?

    When the administration was new, they were told these were "necessary." When they learned that was a lie, they stopped funding at the earliest opportunity. Where's the fault in that?

  21. Oh come on by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obama move policy to a smarter government.
    republicans cut funding
    Obama's fault.

    The republicans are giong after ANYHTING Obama does. Why isn't everyoen getting pissed at that? This isn't a sie of the isle complaint. Even when Republican create a bill, and then when Obama agrees and says will sign sign it, the republicans who created the bill back out. WTF?

    There is a difference between having a debate and simple going against something because the president is for it.

    They would rather the country burned to the ground, the Obama getting elected again.
    I've been paying attention to politics since Reagan, and never has it been like this.

    Add to that a bunch of people who refuse to accept the established fact that austerity during a recession never works. Look at history.

    It's stupid.

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    1. Re:Oh come on by gottspeed · · Score: 2

      "You want to see some really fucked up people? You should come to the debtors support group!" Look at your birth certificate and then look up the meaning of certificate, and take about five minutes thinking about why government does whatever it wants. I'll save you some time. Its because we deserve the treatment. Our parents literally (commercially anyway) give us away, flesh and blood to corporate government. Their house, their rules. End of story.

    2. Re:Oh come on by dbIII · · Score: 2

      What you are suggesting is that during a recession and a huge budget deficit in all layers of Government, you'd like to spend more money?

      That's actually how the USA crawled out of the depression in the 1930s. If you've got another way that would acutally work everyone is interested in hearing it.
      The current political tactic is to drive everything as close to the brink as possible, hope that will bring down the government and then quietly implement the same things while pretending they are different.
      It's a very dangerous and destructive game and the USA will be forever changed by it. Go read some Dickens if you want an idea of the social structure of the USA as reshaped by the extreme end of the Republican party. Nixon is starting to look like a very moderate Democrat these days as the Republicans move more towards authoritarian crazyness and the Democrats move in to the space where the Republicans used to be. I'm niether but really hate watching the USA being destroyed from within becuase I like the place even though I don't live there.

  22. Re:Why shutdown the newest? by geekoid · · Score: 2

    "Surely the fiscally responsible approach is to shut down the oldest datacenters first."

    you've never done this on legacy large scale enterprise systems, have you?

    What make economic sense is to keep doing it and with time get rid of the older systems.

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  23. Re:The Slashdot test: Failed by geekoid · · Score: 2

    It's not Obama, it's the budget cuts the were forced on us.

    They are being shit down because of the current republicans. They shouldn't be, and the government should be doing more of this with their data.

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  24. Re:Gubmint in Action: by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    Of course what the Affordable Care Act cut in Medicare was the subsidies for Medicare Advantage plans that cost 10-20% more than just straight Medicare. In the future, after a phase out period, those people choosing Medicare Advantage won't be subsidized above what regular Medicare recipients receive.

  25. Re:Gubmint in Action: by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    It's also Obama who signed the recent debt deal.

    What's the point in voting for a Democrat when they're just going to do the exact same thing as a Republican? (Or maybe worse: when Bush was Pres, 6-year-olds didn't have to worry about being molested at airports.)