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Genome Researchers Wants Your Genes

An anonymous reader writes "The Beijing Genomics Institute (BGI) is looking for smart volunteers to donate their genes for analysis. They are seeking subjects with high intelligence; you can only qualify if you got a high score in SAT/ACT/GRE or got awards in competitions like Math/Physics Olympiads or TopCoder. They're also launching a drive to recruit US participants. Their first stop (PDF) appears to have been Google, which has run into trouble with the Chinese government. Also worth noting: BGI is registered in China as an 'Institutional Organization,' which by law requires it to report to a supervising governmental office or agency."

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  1. Intrusion by Wowsers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After World War 2 people were appalled to find out that the Nazi government were building up files of peoples measurements of faces and other such measurements to show / prove their master race theory. Isn't having DNA taken the exact same thing? There should be outrage over this kind of thing and where it could possibly lead mankind.

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    1. Re:Intrusion by icebraining · · Score: 2

      It's not intrusion since they're looking for volunteers.

    2. Re:Intrusion by elsurexiste · · Score: 2

      Consider this scenario: let's say that, due to whatever correlation (e.g. exposure to testosterone/finger length), those measurements indeed mapped to greater brain weight, less cancer risk, you name it. What happens next? Shall we drop those scientific findings because they are politically incorrect?

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    3. Re:Intrusion by khallow · · Score: 2

      After World War 2 people were appalled to find out that the Nazi government were building up files of peoples measurements of faces and other such measurements to show / prove their master race theory. Isn't having DNA taken the exact same thing? There should be outrage over this kind of thing and where it could possibly lead mankind.

      Two observations to note here. First, the files of measurements would have made no difference to the conclusion. The Nazis already knew what the "master race" was going to be. It was an empty ritual with a predetermined outcome. Second, how would you have expressed your disapproval of the Nazi's gimmick in a way that would matter?

      In other words, the Nazi research didn't cause the Nazi government nor their loathsome ideology. Nor would outrage at such research have made one wit of difference. So why should there be outrage at this Chinese research and what form should it take? My concern here is that there will be outrage and it will harm ethical developed world research instead.

  2. Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it... by deains · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's got to be super-soldiers.

    1. Re:Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it... by Soralin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They'll engineer super-soldiers to be so smart that they'll end up resolving conflicts through rational discussion rather than violence.

  3. Can you GPL your genes/body? by houghi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My great aunt has given her body to science so people will learn as to why she became that old. I would like to do the same thing, but be sure that not some Monsanto makes a shitload of money from it by patenting the shit out of my dead body.

    I would realy like it to be some sort of GPL where findings are actually intended for the general public.

    Does anybody have any experience with such a thing?

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    1. Re:Can you GPL your genes/body? by starless · · Score: 2

      That's easy, she lived to become that old because she didn't die. As noble as it is, it's doubtful that they'll find any useful information as the people who lived to be 100+ years old are just the tail end of the distribution, there's as much luck involved as anything else.

      You give no citations to support your hypothesis.
      Sheer luck might perhaps be the case, but without research one might miss a genetic connection, which could then potentially enable either medical or lifestyle changes that could mimic the genetic differences.
      As one example of a possible genetic link to some aspects of aging see e.g.
      http://www.einstein.yu.edu/home/news.asp?id=454

    2. Re:Can you GPL your genes/body? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      I would realy like it to be some sort of GPL where findings are actually intended for the general public.

      Does anybody have any experience with such a thing?

      Yes.

      Don't have a surgical procedure. Request cremation upon death. Those are your options.

      Even then, you might run into problems. Many state governments are routinely keeping samples of all citizens from birth -- and many store them indefinitely, with no easy way for parents or citizens to get them released or destroyed. There have been cases where these samples have made it into the hands of private researchers with little or no oversight.

      Whether or not such policies have affected the GP is a different question, but for new people born nowadays, it's getting ever harder to stay out of such databases.

  4. obligatory reading on this subject matter: by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Informative
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  5. Re:resolving conflicts through rational discussion by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lin Yutang once wrote that if you gave leaders a good meal and a comedy show, they wouldn't get into wars.

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  6. Re:Very narrow definition of intelligence by sydneyfong · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All you people need to RTFM (and click the FAQ):
    https://www.cog-genomics.org/faq/

    What is intelligence?

    No one knows precisely what intelligence is, and even experts disagree as to how it should be defined. However, it has been known for over a century that performance on different cognitive tests is positively correlated: for example, someone who is good at math puzzles is also more likely to have an above average vocabulary. Given a battery of tests and their correlation matrix, one can use probability theory to define a single parameter that, in a sense, optimally compresses the information from administering them all.

    In practice, a wide range of intuitively sensible test batteries and functions of their score vectors yield very similar estimates of this parameter. As a result, psychologists consider these functions of test batteries to all be reasonable estimators of a parameter called the General Factor of Intelligence, or g for short.

    From the use of phrases like "intuitively sensible", it should be clear that the definition of g is a little bit arbitrary. However, we believe that it's the most promising metric to base an intelligence GWAS on. The most important properties of g are:

    stability (scores tend not to vary significantly after adolescence),
    heritability (twin and adoption studies suggest that much of the variance in g is due to genetics), and
    predictive power (g scores are correlated with academic and job performance, income, longevity, etc., even after controlling for other variables such as social class).

    At least they know their results have limited scope.

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  7. Re:limited selection by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, the fact that they're limiting their selection means that they are looking for a specific link between high standardized test scores/academic achievement and the inability to recognize people by face. No one is apparently bothering to read the first paragraph on that web page.

    We are recruiting subjects for a Genome Wide Association Study of intelligence. Our study of prosopagnosia has not yet begun; if you wish to learn more about this condition, please visit faceblind.org.

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  8. Re:ACT score of 35 or 36? by tomhudson · · Score: 2
    Logically, they'd want both those with high and low intelligence, to see what the differences were. This sounds more like a breeding program (let's breed intelligent western-looking kids to be our next generation of spies) or, more likely, just another hoax.

    Of course, if it IS an attempt to get western-looking donors of high intelligence for a breeding program, they'll be disappointed - most of them will look asian :-)

  9. Re:the pendulum swings... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2

    Well, I'm a clod you insensitive barbarian. Intelligence is more than just puzzle solving and number crunching. Intelligence is not a continuum, it's a spectrum. This reductionism of intelligence to what basically amounts to math skills (let's face it, even the verbal GRE test is really a logic test) is limited. Useful in some dimensions, but limited.

    I don't know any personally, but I'm willing to bet that most sports geniuses wouldn't score that well on an ACT or SAT. Nor would a lot of artists who are incredibly gifted.

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  10. First they came for the geniuses, by djirk · · Score: 3, Funny

    and I didn't speak out because I was not a genius.

  11. Maths smart or what? by Cant+use+a+slash+wtf · · Score: 2

    This is contentious. Do they mean maths/science smart? Or like art/abstract smart. Because it seems you can have different kinds of intelligence. For instance, someone could be a mathematician and be terrible in other subjects that involve different kinds of thought. I think it would be more useful if they got people who were accomplished writers, artists, musicians etc. and mapped their DNA as well, rather than just focussing on one particular kind of intelligence (scientific/analytical intelligence).