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Smartphones: the New Home of Crapware

Barence writes "Smartphones are replacing PCs as the new breeding ground for pre-installed crapware, argues Mike Jennings. The Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro, for example, comes pre-loaded with McAfee security software and other associated apps, four different app stores, and a selection of games and other media management tools. 'And it's not like you can just get rid of this software, either — most of it's there to stay, with hard-coded blocks in place to ensure you don't uninstall any of the tat you don't want,' he adds."

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  1. Not news by petteyg359 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even my regular old clamshell has pre-installed non-removable games and applications.

    1. Re:Not news by MacTO · · Score: 2

      Same here, but I've noticed that the non-removable applications and games on my old phone were buried under menus that I rarely used. On the new phone, well, they're right in my face and a fair number of them are little more than links to websites. Which is much more obnoxious.

      Thankfully I can choose to bury that stuff in folders on my current phone, but how long will it be until they remove that capability? (After all, they do it to make money. You can't make money on what users don't see.)

      Thankfully the market is still reasonably competitive though, so we can still make the choice to reject those phones. Hopefully enough people are smart enough to do so, so that everyone doesn't have to live with the consequences.

    2. Re:Not news by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, but how much of it was slowing down your phone? How much of it was running in the background?

      With an old clamshell, chances are those applications really aren't doing much to slow down your phone. With smartphones though, they are because they all run in the background even if you don't use them.

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    3. Re:Not news by trikes57+ · · Score: 2

      The phone manufacturers are starting to make noises about making all the carrier imposed crapware uninstallable. HTC for one has publicly come out in favor of this. the carriers get paid to put the csapware on the phones. The more heavily subsidized the phone the more shovelware on it.

    4. Re:Not news by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is news. The news is that this only affects Android. Android has become the new Windows, home of viruses, malware, and pre-installed junk you can't remove. It's even worse than PCs due to fragmentation--the article mentions that the Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro (what a name) has four different app stores. When Linux fans cheer about some perceived victory through Android, they're really cheering the fact that carriers throw Android onto their cheap, flimsy phones and load it with a bunch of branded crap. That's not the victory we wanted.

    5. Re:Not news by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      So you hate Android. Who cares? You shove it in everybody's face everytime you get a good excuse. If we all sign a petition agreeing that you hate Android, will you please just go away?

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  2. 2 Words by clarkn0va · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cyanogenmod.

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    1. Re:2 Words by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2

      I have had 5 defective Moto Droids (and a bad Droid 3).

      Please say those phones were for a team of people and that's not your personal experience because, if those were all your phones then you might want to look into a different manufacturer... One is a lemon, two is bad luck, three is a pattern, five is you're not paying attention. Heck, that many duds - even across a team of people - I'd be looking for a new manufacturer for my next set of phones...

    2. Re:2 Words by shellbeach · · Score: 2

      Actually, if you look on XDA there'll be instructions for most devices on how to flash back to stock with a broken screen (timing, numbers of keypresses, etc). And if your USB port is screwed, you can still flash back through the SD card (which is the standard method, anyway) ...

      It's pretty difficult to be in a situation where you can't flash back to stock (not impossible, but very difficult) ...

  3. Solution: go Apple by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether computer, tablet, or phone, Apple don't do this. It's *one* of the reasons I like them.

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    1. Re:Solution: go Apple by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      That's like complaining your OS comes with a browser and a package manager. It makes no sense, those apps are part of the core use cases for the device.

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  4. Free and open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm happy with my N900, it runs true Linux, i.e. it allows me to install/remove any app I want, right out of the box, without the need to execute some 3rd party binaries to "jailbreak". But as we all know - most people love to be pulled through the mud (as long as they are made to believe they are being pulled through liquid gold by the hand that pulls them).

    1. Re:Free and open by bemymonkey · · Score: 2

      That may be true, but even with all their crapware, low-end Android devices are mostly faster than the N900, have a better selection of apps, require less end user knowledge of Linux and have a touchscreen that works in the way people expect it to ("Like the Eyefone!")...

      Not sure what your comment is supposed to contribute, really... I like my guitars, and my bed, and my pants... oh and lasagna!

  5. Re:Apple by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ditto. Complain all you want about Apple's "Walled Garden," but I bet 95% of consumers would prefer not having that shovelware foisted upon them (especially the crap they can't remove) over the ability to play Ogg Vorbis or install a different operating system on their phone.

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  6. Don't Trust Any App You Didn't Write by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have never understood the appeal of mindless games like Angry Birds. The common app phone is such a wasted instrument. How much more it could really be. I will only use apps on my Android phone that I myself wrote.

    1. Re:Don't Trust Any App You Didn't Write by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's cool if you're into microcode trojans. Personally I can't stomach the thought, which is why I do all my own rare earth mining and built a clean room into the basement.

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    2. Re:Don't Trust Any App You Didn't Write by Aceticon · · Score: 2

      ... and built a clean room into the basement

      Not clean enough, according to your mom.

  7. Re:Apple by mjwx · · Score: 2

    So that's why people are leaving their Iphone 3GS's for new Android handsets. The fastest selling OS is Android, people are buying it because it's better.

    The overwhelming majority of PC user's couldn't care less about "crapware" but are finding each revision of Itunes worse then the last and are relishing the chance to be rid of it. The critical difference is that they aren't forced to jump through hoops by the crapware to do basic things.

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  8. Wrong on Twitter, two ways by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    iOS 5 is bundling a Twitter app with it

    Totally wrong. They are NOT bundling a twitter app.

    What they are doing is in fact the opposite of bad. They are adding twitter posting as a system library, that applications can bundle in but do not have to use.

    The reason why it's the opposite of bad is that Twitter is requiring the odious OAuth authentication protocol, which requires a number of stages to authenticate. Since iOS includes Twitter access as part of the core, it does all the Oauth stuff behind the scenes and all you have to do is enter a username and password.

    That means that any apps that also post to twitter (which is quite a lot of apps these days) will have much simpler sign-in processes for the user to make use of twitter, basically none if you've logged in once anywhere else already (and before you get freaked out about background tweets going out know that the user has to confirm a tweet should go out before it is posted).

    On the Mac side, there's iLife which gets bundled with new Macs whether you want it or not.

    Which you can also simply drag to the trash?

    It's not crapware I'd say if it's actually useful though!

    I'd rather be a "hater" than a blind fanboi suckered by Apple's marketing into overpaying for crap hardware.

    Funny, I'd rather spend my time using a computer than configuring it, paying about the same for the privileged. But whatever floats your boat.

    It's also rather funny you call Apple users "blind" when it's you who apparently can't see with clarity what that are doing.

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    1. Re:Wrong on Twitter, two ways by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      Oh wow, two passes at the trash! How horrific!

      Wrong - there's only one pass at the trash.

      What there are two of (well, three if you reinstall) are reboots - once after moving iTunes to the trash, and once again after emptying the trash. (And optionally a third if you decide to reinstall iTunes.)

      Under Windows, the process is simply "go to 'uninstall a program,' select 'iTunes,' click 'uninstall,' and then needlessly reboot because Apple can't be bothered to look up how to remove services properly."

      Under Mac OS X, you'll need to find that support article I linked to learn about the kernel extension you need to remove. And go through the "drag to trash, reboot, empty trash, reboot" process for some reason.

      I taken it you've never had to go registry key hunting in Windows or had to search for DLL's placed all over the Windows directory...

      Nope. Especially not with first-party Microsoft software, and especially since Microsoft introduced the Windows Installer. Programs that use that tend to uninstall cleanly - and by "tend to" I mean that I've never had one fail to uninstall properly, or require anything like the ridiculous hoops you have to jump through to get rid of iTunes for Mac OS X.

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    2. Re:Wrong on Twitter, two ways by mjwx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny, I'd rather spend my time using a computer than configuring it

      I'd rather be using my computer then fighting it because I have a need it's designer didn't envisage.

      I'd never use a basic image manipulation program like Paint after all.

      My 4 years of supporting Mac's in an enterprise taught me that Mac's have a very, very limited feature set and if you want it do anything different you're in for a world of pain that makes compiling the most obstinate Linux distro from scratch feel like a holiday.

      BTW, Installed LinuxMint last night, most pain free install I've ever had and everything I need works out of the box. No compiling needed.

      paying about the same for the privileged.

      Keep telling yourself that, you're only fooling yourself. Macbook 13" = US$1129 - Old Core 2 Duo CPU, old Nvidia 3 series, only 2 GB RAM.
      Asus U31SD = US$725 - 2nd Gen i3, new Nvidia 5 series/hybrid Intel IGM, 4 GB RAM.

      Even if I buy a 128 GB SSD, The current gen Asus it's still $200 cheaper then the old tech Mac. The price for a Macbook gets 50% worse if I try to buy one locally (in Australia) but the Asus only goes up by 10-15%.

      No doubt you have all kinds of wonderful excuses (your cognitive dissonance wont let you accept Mac's are nearly twice the price as other PC's) but provide links or I'll just repeat myself.

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  9. Re:Apple by cathector · · Score: 2

    you can ?
    i can't.
    eg, stocks, itunes, game center, etc.
    it is fairly easy to hide them away in a group labeled "crap" tho.

  10. Pre Installed? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

    Ha! Verizon actually ADDED crapware to my DroidX with a software update that did nothing but force install the demo for some football game that could not be removed.

    Now I use CyanogenMod.

  11. Re:Apple by EvilJoker · · Score: 2

    if you count tablets iOS is still on top

    Are you sure about this? According to this there will be about 90 million iOS devices sold in 2011, and about 180 million Androids. Even if we assume those numbers are strictly for phones, that leaves a gap of 90 million devices.

    According to this, Apple's selling fewer than 30 million iPads per year. And that doesn't even account for any of the popular Android tablets out there, such as the Xoom, the Eee Transformer, and the Nook Color.

    Yes, iOS rules in tablet space. But it does not bridge the gap in phone space.

  12. Only applies to non-iPhones by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    Sorry to these religiously opposed to the iPhone but it doesn't come with any crapware.

    Unless you consider iOS ITSELF to be crapware but I think most people (as indicated by the highest approval ratings in the industry) would disagree.

  13. Re:Really? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it's still worth complaining about, because there's a definite network effect here. While there are things Apple won't let me do with the iPhone that I want to do, the fact is, the more people use iOS, the more software development jobs are for iOS, and the more apps are for iOS -- and the more likely it is for a larger portion of these to be iOS-exclusive, and for at least one of them to be something I need...

    This is exactly what happens with Windows. The more people use other platforms like cell phones or even Macs, the more companies are forced to migrate to something at least semi-portable, like the Web -- and the more I get to use stuff I want, like Android or outright Linux on the desktop. Or, failing that, at least we get the stuff that needs to be native on Android, too.

    Except this would be worse than Windows. Apple is already going this direction on the desktop, and it really seems like too many people are moving in the direction of making iOS-like machines the norm... meaning the days when I can expect to buy a typical desktop computer and hack together some software to share with my friends may be numbered. The days a child can take the computer they have for other purposes and just use it to pick up software development may also be numbered.

    So, complaining loudly about it, if it convinces anyone to avoid iOS and adopt anything moderately open, is still valid.

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