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The Copyright Nightmare of 'I Have a Dream'

CoveredTrax writes "If you weren't alive to witness Martin Luther King's 'I Have a Dream' speech on the Washington Mall 48 years ago this week, you might try to switch on the old YouTube and dial it up. But you won't find it there or anywhere else; rights to its usage remain with King and his family. Typically, a speech broadcast to a large audience on radio and television (and considered instrumental in historic political changes and ranked as the most important speech in 20th century American history) would seem to be a prime candidate for the public domain. But the copyright dilemma began in December 1963, when King sued Mister Maestro, Inc., and Twentieth Century Fox Records Company to stop the unauthorized sale of records of the 17-minute oration."

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  1. Only 27 more years until public domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right...? Or is Disney going to get another copyright extension passed?

    1. Re:Only 27 more years until public domain by Alan+R+Light · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rule is 70 years after an author's death, and only applies to works created in or after 1976. Works created prior to that were copyrighted for a fixed period from first publication. That period is presently at 95 years.

      Regardless, large publishers will doubtless attempt to get the copyright period extended again, so when this speech will be in the public domain - if ever - is unknown.

      Of course, if the Constitution had any weight, this speech would be public domain in about 8 years, as (IIRC) the copyright term maxed out at 56 years at the time King gave his speech, and the Constitution gives no authority for copyright law except to promote the useful arts and sciences. Whereas it is difficult to persuade a dead man to give a stirring speech in the past, none of the copyright extensions of previously published works are legal - though, of course, the courts continue to enforce them.

    2. Re:Only 27 more years until public domain by The+Creator · · Score: 5, Funny

      As I understand it it's now 95 years after the creator's death so we have 52 years left.

      The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

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  2. MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by jarich · · Score: 5, Informative

    In related news, the group building the memorial had to ~pay~ MLK's family 800,000 dollars for the rights to his image and words. http://goodnightsnack.com/2011/08/26/martin-luther-king-jr-family-charges-800k-to-use-his-words-on-commemorative-dc-statue-greed/

    1. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Members of celebrities families are greedy free-riding bastards who hang on their relatives coattails. In other news, rodent attacks man. More at 11.

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    2. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative

      The group building the memorial are PISSING on King's grave.
      Harry E. Johnson Sr., president of the foundation, made $265,085 in 2008.

      They built the "memorial" with uncompensated (read "slave") labour from China.

      http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/26/305092/mlk-jr-memorial-statue-completed-using-unpaid-chinese-laborers/

      Get this straight. MLK was not a "fee-good, let's all respect each other" civil-rights version of Barney the dinosaur.

      He was mobilising and uniting the underprivileged, black and white, in ways that were threatening to the war-mongering coproratist kleptocrats. They didn't kill him 'cos he wanted people to drink from the same fountain.

      Now, they are killing him with artificial praise. It's like the moneylenders in the Temple, now selling "Jesus Slept Here" t-shirts.

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    3. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by shadowofwind · · Score: 5, Funny

      Members of celebrities families are greedy free-riding bastards who hang on their relatives coattails. In other news, rodent attacks man. More at 11.

      Why bring Jimmy Carter into this?

    4. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by RandomFactor · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those that don't catch the reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident

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    5. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Members of celebrities families are greedy free-riding bastards who hang on their relatives coattails. In other news, rodent attacks man. More at 11.

      King's family is just continuing what King himself did; copyright as much of what he said and wrote as he could, and jealously guard the rights and profits from such work. It doesn't exactly jibe with the image we have of him today, but facts are facts. The man was intent on squeezing out every dime could in this manner.

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    6. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      King's family is just continuing what King himself did; copyright as much of what he said and wrote as he could, and jealously guard the rights and profits from such work. It doesn't exactly jibe with the image we have of him today, but facts are facts. The man was intent on squeezing out every dime could in this manner.

      Was he really "intent on squeezing out every dime" or was it really about controlling his words to prevent them from being misused? I'm not talking about what his survivors do now, but what MLK did himself.

      After all, the US copyright system does not really have an equivalent of the continental "moral right" to prevent distortion of the author's intent. So the only way to to get the same effect is to zealously pursue the US property right version of copyright.

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    7. Re:MLK's Family Received 800k from the Memorial by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No.

      It is a diatribe against the exploitation of the King legacy by those who stand against the type of social justice that was the foundation of his principles and action.

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  3. How is this by Stargoat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How is this different from Steam Boat Willy? Both are important to culture, but both are unavailable in the public domain. Intellectual property laws in this country have become obscene. It is time to put an end to century laws and go back to a sensible two generation intellectual property right ownership (38 years).

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    1. Re:How is this by slapout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The speech contained a message that MLK (presumably) wanted to get out to everyone. Steamboat Willy, not so much.

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    2. Re:How is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately both parties have fallen prey to the lobbying and money. Democrats are closer to Hollywood and thus more supportive of stronger copyright laws, and Republicans are hardly better.

      This is why the only way you might be able to get this on the political agenda (which is still a long way away from getting any legislation passed) is through strong corporate sponsorship for this proposal: Google might be interested, maybe Microsoft et al.

      One thing needs to be very clear though: the public, that was deprived of works getting into the public domain at the expected time when they bought the works, were never financially compensated for this loss; this means that rightsholders who see their copyright term shortened also will not need to be financially compensated.

  4. This is patently false. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have listened to this speech at work on the internet every year on the anniversary of MLK's death. The speech text and audio have never been hard to find. Here is an example site:

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm

    I believe this counts as "anywhere else."

    1. Re:This is patently false. by slapout · · Score: 4, Funny

      You now own the King family $120,128.

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    2. Re:This is patently false. by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 5, Funny

      You now own the King family $120,128.

      He owns them? I thought we had made more progress than that...

  5. I Had A Dream... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously the family is not very big on living up to MLK's dream.

    1. Re:I Had A Dream... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I realize his message was mostly about race, but MLK was all about social justice.

      There is no justice involved in trying to hold a copyright on a speech that was given in PUBLIC, and broadcast to the public, almost 5 decades ago.

    2. Re:I Had A Dream... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Given the long, sordid history of record companies ripping off African American artists, I hardly think it would have been MLK's dream to allow his own work to be ripped off well."

      "Ripped off", how? This was a public speech. If you want to reserve rights to something, then do it in a studio or in front of a paying audience, not in front of thousands of people, in a park, for free.

  6. Re:Other tidbits of the family by geoffrobinson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not to be mean or tawdry, but I would assume the answer to that question is "women."

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  7. Not on YouTube by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, the speech is not on YouTube. Not here, here, or even here. It's definitely not here.

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  8. Ignorant of the facts much? by GodInHell · · Score: 3, Informative

    MLK was alive for the suit against Mister Maestro and Twentieth Century Fox.

    The copyright notice, hastily scribbled onto the text of the speech by Mr. King's attorney as copies were being mimeographed in the press tent the day of the speech is one of the financial pillars that gave MLK's organization the funding to keep moving forward.

    To be clear, the speech had been pressed onto records and was being sold over over the country as a single. The MLK foundation stepped in, enforced the copyright, and claimed a cut to continue Mr. King's work.

    Martin Luther King, Jr. vs Mister Maestro, Inc., and 20th Century-Fox Record Corporation USDC, S.D.N.Y. (12-13-1963) 224 F.Supp.101, 140 USPQ 366. Since I'm guessing you do not actually know -- MLK died on April 4, 1968, about 5 years after you think he was "rolling over in his grave."

    -GiH

  9. King children care about money, not father by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ever since their mother's death, MLK's children have done nothing but fight over the rights in regards to their father, and the profits to be gained by selling them. For instance, in regards to a proposed MLK movie: "Bernice King and her eldest brother, Martin III, say they are "taking action" against their estranged sibling, Dexter, who is chief executive of the King estate, because he apparently decided to negotiate the entire film deal with Spielberg and Dreamworks without attempting to seek their permission." (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-king-family-fighting-over-the-dream-1688644.html). And notice how Dexter is the chief executive of the estate. That means he is entirely within his rights to negotiate a movie deal on behalf of the estate. Book deals and memoirs regarding MLK and Coretta King, worth millions of dollars, have been lost due to infighting and court battles (http://www.thegrio.com/top-stories/atlanta-ap----two-children.php)(http://cards6.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/in-fighting-between-king-family-tarnishes-king-legacy/).

    It's really very sad. MLK certainly did a great thing for this country, centered around the march and his "I Have A Dream" speech. However, it seems his children have a dream as well: to make as much money off their father's legacy. I would be willing to bet that MLK, were he still alive, would be ashamed of how is children are acting. They are disrespecting their father and their legacy.

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    1. Re:King children care about money, not father by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's ok. We judge them by the content of their character anyway.

  10. Re:King was a great man by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The good news is that you are judging them, not by the color of their skin, but by the quality of their character.

    The bad news is the quality of their character.

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  11. More to the Story.... by sampson7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The entry/non-entry of Dr. King's speech into the public domain is a famous case in copyright circles - and in fact, was one reason the copyright laws were changed. It's a fascinating story.

    First you need to realize that prior to 1976, unless you put a copyright mark on a document and properly registed it, it was presumed to be in the public domain as soon as it was made public. This led to a number of problems and disputes, and today is widely viewed as being overly punative to people who simply forget to put the mark on a document before releasing it. Today's copyright laws eliminate the "all or nothing" nature of the 1909 Act, and sensibly declare that copyright rests with the author, regardless of whether they properly marked it.

    Second, there's an interesting history behind the I Have a Dream speech. While the factual accounts of exactly what happened differ, Dr. King and his associates apparently distributed advance copies of the speech without the copyright mark on them to a group of journalists. Recognizing that this was a serious error, others within Dr. King's circle reportedly re-collected each of the advance copies, and then redistributed them with the copyright mark hand written on the document. So there was a factual question as to whether the textual copy of the speech was put into the public domain or not registered with the copyright office correctly.

    There was less dispute over the video and audio. As others have noted, Dr. King improvised/departed from the prepared text a number of times. So there was an argument that, even if Dr. King had lost the copyright on the original text (which is itself debatable), he maintained the copyright on the "performance" of the speach, and was thus entitled to a separate copyright (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_of_Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.,_Inc._v._CBS,_Inc.).

    I also believe that the speech is freely licensed to anyone engaging in educational activities - so it's not quite as eggregious on the part of the family as many have suggested.

  12. Jesus! by formfeed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I know why the evangelists waited 70 years before writing it down.