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Alloy Could Produce Hydrogen Fuel Using Sunlight

intellitech writes "Using state-of-the-art theoretical computations, a University of Kentucky-University of Louisville team demonstrated that an alloy formed by a 2 percent substitution of antimony (Sb) in gallium nitride (GaN) has the right electrical properties to enable solar light energy to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, a process known as photoelectrochemical (PEC) water splitting. When the alloy is immersed in water and exposed to sunlight, the chemical bond between the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water is broken (abstract). Because pure hydrogen gas is not found in free abundance on Earth, it must be manufactured by unlocking it from other compounds. Thus, hydrogen is not considered an energy source, but rather an 'energy carrier.' Currently, it takes a large amount of electricity to generate hydrogen by water splitting. As a consequence, most of the hydrogen manufactured today is derived from non-renewable sources such as coal and natural gas. The team says the GaN-Sb alloy has the potential to convert solar energy into an economical, carbon-free source for hydrogen."

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  1. So, no current needed? by jcr · · Score: 2

    Is this a superior alternative to the work that Dan Nocera's been doing at MIT with catalysts to make electrolysis take less energy?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:So, no current needed? by Squiddie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe they can combine it? I don't know, I'm not a chemist and I haven't read the abstract, but it would be interesting.

    2. Re:So, no current needed? by currently_awake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having solar panels on your roof that can power your stuff -and- refuel your car is a better investment than a solar plant for each.

    3. Re:So, no current needed? by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why, particularly? I would guess that which one would be "better" would be a calculation that combines ease of access, cost, aesthetics, and ROI. Often, operations done at large scale can be done more efficiently than in a distributed fashion. Other times, the cost of distribution can offset this interent efficiency.

      We don't yet know which one is "better" - the market is still merging.

      One area that I'd personally love to see more solar panels is over parking lots. Nothing quite beats the misery of walking out of a nice, 75 degree mall into the blistering, 100-degree heat in the summer time, only to sit down in your 160 degree car, cursing and swearing at all that damned free energy the sun packed into your car.

      But cover that parking lot with a lattice of solar panels so I'm getting into a merely hot 95 degree car while all that energy is used to power the A/C at the mall I just got out of, that would be swell.

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    4. Re:So, no current needed? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 2

      I'm too lazy to install VPN software to get article access from my couch, but the abstract only discusses the 2.0 eV absorption, which is about 620 nm. That is certainly one of the wavelengths of interest, being near the solar spectrum max irradiance, but if the catalyst doesn't absorb at any other wavelengths, it'll not be of much use at all. The other thing to consider, of course, is that Nocera's catalysts are already made and just being industrialized, while the controlled doping of this particular Sb-doped GaN catalyst may or may not have already been studied - I'm guessing it hasn't, or they would have collaborated with a synthetic chemist to produce physical data.

      Material-wise, Nocera's catalyst is cobalt, nickel, and. . . something, I forget. GaN isn't really going to save much, if anything, over Nocera's.

      So, in short, uh, I dunno. I still think Nocera's has a lot of promise, though.

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    5. Re:So, no current needed? by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing quite beats the misery of walking out of a nice, 23 degree mall into the blistering, 37 degree heat in the summer time, only to sit down in your 71 degree car, cursing and swearing at all that damned free energy the sun packed into your car.

      Fixed that for you. Now stop using those damn Fred Flintstone units!

    6. Re:So, no current needed? by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People's rooftops could be used as well. I heard of a program somewhere where they pay you a monthly rate to put energy back into the grid from solar panels placed on your roof. Requires a capital investment, though, which you earn back over the years (20 years IIRC). So unfortunately longer than the majority of people stay in one house.

      There are companies here in the UK that do that (essentially you are renting your roof area to someone for them to put their panels on, and in payment they give you a cut of the money they make). It seems like a good idea to me because most individuals can't afford a long term investment like PV (which costs thousands of pounds and takes 10-20 years to break even). Unfortunately I've also heard that this is incompatible with most mortgages, so until those kind of problems can be fixed it isn't going to be very wide-spread. Here's an idea - how about the mortgage lender offering to shove PV panels on your roof as part-payment for your mortgage?

    7. Re:So, no current needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing quite beats the misery of walking out of a nice, 296 Kelvin mall into the blistering, 310 Kelvin heat in the summer time, only to sit down in your 344 Kelvin car, cursing and swearing at all that damned free energy the sun packed into your car.

      Fixed that for you. It's 21st century already.

    8. Re:So, no current needed? by chihowa · · Score: 2

      I'm too lazy to install VPN software to get article access from my couch

      Most schools have an EZproxy or similar system available through the library. A quick bookmarklet in the style of [javascript:void((function()%7Blocation.href=location.href.replace(/%5Ehttp%5C:%5C/%5C/(%5B%5E%5C/%5C@%5D+)%5C/(?:)/,%22http://0-%22+%22$1%22.replace(%22%5C:%22,%22.%22)+%22.proxyserver.your-uni.edu/%22);%7D)())] can allow easy journal access without having to screw with VPNs and such.

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  2. Containment by Ironchew · · Score: 2

    Is there a cheap way to contain hydrogen yet?

    1. Re:Containment by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Who cares, 'burn' it right there and use the energy to pump water uphill.

      If it works, which I doubt.

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    2. Re:Containment by Surt · · Score: 2

      Energy stored as the potential energy against gravity of large volumes of water is not the most convenient of automotive fuels.

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    3. Re:Containment by clyde_cadiddlehopper · · Score: 5, Funny
      >Yes, take 3 hydrogen atoms and bond them to a carbon atom

      Wanted: monovalent to occupy vacant orbital. It's a quad, but the other three spots are spoken for. If you are an H, we'll be an alkane. If you're a hydroxyl, we'll be an alcohol.

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    4. Re:Containment by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly as much energy as you get back by complete combustion of the octane, divided by the efficiency of the conversion. See 'Fischer-Tropsch' process.

      This is basically what you do if you want oil and you don't want go to Mother Nature's Giant One-Time Only Sale (All coal and oil accumulated over the last 500000000 years is old inventory and must go now! This is a one-time offer, bound to end within 200 years of starting! Don't miss out! Extra discounts available for first 50% of supply, for details please inquire within. No warranty is implied; Buyer takes full responsibility for any mass extinctions, polar meltdowns, or disastrous climactic shifts resulting from use of product. No returns accepted, all sales are final.).

    5. Re:Containment by swalve · · Score: 2

      Not a laundry basket.

  3. Access to energy is social justice by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you care about your fellow man who was born with less privilege than you? Then work hard to make stories like this into a reality so that every poor family can have the access to cheap energy to heat their homes and to power the car in their driveway.

    That's a better story than lowering the standard of living for everyone. I'd rather use technology to raise everyone up, even if it is only to the modest levels that you and I take for granted.

    1. Re:Access to energy is social justice by antifoidulus · · Score: 2

      Its not only that, we have a culture that considers people who dont drive, and opt to walk or bike to work, as somehow "defective" and thus their lives are worth very little. Its not just that there isnt any pedestrian infrastructure in large parts of the country, its that people are actively hostile towards pedestrians. I used to live in the states and I cant tell you how many people slowed down just to mock me or even throw shit at me as I walked to work.

      Greatest day of my life was when I left that Republican infested hell-hole. Not planning to go back if I can avoid it.

    2. Re:Access to energy is social justice by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Social justice means recognizing that all men were not born with equal opportunity.

      Nope, "social justice" is a propaganda term used to rationalize looting. Justice, or the lack thereof, only pertains to an individual, not to whatever categories you seek to divide people into.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Access to energy is social justice by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3

      Conservatives actually differ from liberals only in how best to assist the less fortunate. There is a false perception that they care less because they are less tolerant of ideas that feel good or feel right but actually accomplish little.

      Like the idea that if we cut taxes on billionaires even more, jobs will follow? Conservatives seem pretty "tolerant" of that bit of magical thinking.

      So when they oppose an idea that has the best of intentions, not because they disagree with the goal but because they think the idea is flawed, they "look bad".

      No. They look bad because their policies fail, over and over again, to the point where any reasonable person might start to suspect that "assist[ing] the less fortunate" is not actually on the conservative agenda. To be fair, it depends on how you define failure: if your goal is a nation full of desperate peasants who will work themselves to death for scraps from the nobility's table, conservative policies are a resounding success.

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    4. Re:Access to energy is social justice by indeterminator · · Score: 5, Funny

      Really? I work about 90 hours a week, and haven't had a single week actually "off" in about ten years.

      Selfish bastard. You could share some of that work, there's enough to do for two or three people there.

    5. Re:Access to energy is social justice by wolfemi1 · · Score: 2
      "To rationalize looting"? You seriously think that? Lemme guess, you also think that taxes are slavery, right?

      Man, the entitlement sense some people have! You don't even realize how many benefits you get from having a stable society, do you?

    6. Re:Access to energy is social justice by HiThere · · Score: 2

      To be fair, there probably are conservatives who believe in assisting the poor. They just aren't represented by the politically powerful conservatives. And there are definitely liberal programs that are misguided. Some of them are startlingly repressive, to the point where I really doubt their right to the name liberal. And I'm not a liberal.

      FWIW, there is *NO* political party that represents my views. I favor decentralization, but not at all costs. I favor less control by the Feds of the States, and less control by the States of the cities. (Cities generally aren't currently oppressive, though they appear often corrupt.) I favor a linear income tax with a high offset and NO deductions. (y = mx + b, with be adjusted so that someone who does nothing could marginally afford food and shelter. And there is no age limit on that equation, but you don't get the benefit if you're living with relatives. And various other unaccepted notions, like a requirement that all lobbying be made public knowledge. E.g. limiting the power of the FDA to control things, but NO additional limit on their power to approve or disapprove of things, and require that their approval or disapproval be listed. (Perhaps the labeling requirement should even be strengthened.)

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  4. No meter means no development by gottspeed · · Score: 2

    "But will never be made commercially available because it would result in a breakdown of the energy cartel's strangle-hold on the world's economy."

  5. Not the answer... by RobinEggs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know we're supposed to love all technological solutions for our energy problems, but I'm just not convinced anymore.

    When I look at how badly most things are managed, at the ignorance and greed that rule the world, I'm quite convinced that properly implementing what we already know could solve more problems than inventing further methods and discovering new things. In everything from energy policy to urban planning to human health we could achieve an almost paradisaical state if we just chose to do those things correctly that we already know how to do correctly and assisted the entire human race in doing the same.

    I'm not advocating cultural imperialism here, I'm just there's plenty of universal ground on which to share with any persons or cultures easily implemented, universally agreeable methods.

  6. Important point- power used by currently_awake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've used solar power to split water into hydrogen for decades, what matters is cost. How does this compare with standard solar splitting based on surface area? Do you need a crystalline structure to work? Given that raw silicon is more common and more used I expect it's much cheaper. The article talks about semiconductors so it probably needs a crystal structure (drives up cost), so even with better efficiency (single step vs multi step splitting) it's still probably more costly.

  7. Re:Another Great Sounding Premise by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many of these are going anywhere years later?

    Most aren't. Some are. That's pretty much the way R&D works: most projects fail, but the ones that succeed change our lives, generally for the better. If you're not interested in hearing about the early stages, when success or failure is impossible to predict, that's fine; no one's making you read those stories.

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  8. Re:Great... now drink or drive takes on a new mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine you're stuck in the desert with a bottle of water... you have to take a pick whether you drink your water or pour it in your car

    Easy answer really. Drink your water and pee on your car.

  9. Re:awful amount of could in the article.. by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ChE here. I read the article (hooray for university journal access), and I know exactly why there's so much hedging: this is a purely computational, DFT paper, with no experimental results to back it up. In the academic world this is not particularly uncommon, and DFT studies are an amazingly powerful tool to identify (potentially) optimal material combinations that would take researchers centuries to discover by systematic experimentation. But that's just it: "potentially". DFT often (necessarily) overlooks potential external effects that only occur in real systems. Somebody higher up really jumped the gun by making a full press release on a typical journal article in the photocatalysis field.

  10. GaN is expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gallium nitride (GaN) is used to make blue LED chips, typically vacuum deposited on top of sapphire wafers. While it is a very good semiconductor, it is an order of magnitude more expensive than silicon wafers. Unless there is a huge breakthrough in mass manufacturing cheap GaN wafers, it will be much cheaper to use silicon solar cells to generate electricity and electrolyze water with it.

  11. Efficiency? by rthille · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does the paper talk about the efficiency of this solution vs Photovoltaic panels and electrolysis? If the hydrogen and oxygen would be split over a large area (say a roof or larger), how would the gasses be collected? It sounds like an interesting result, but not so practical in application...

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    1. Re:Efficiency? by c0lo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It sounds like an interesting result, but not so practical in application...

      What's worse that this: based on the abstract, all they did is to theoretically compute the composition required to lower the bandgap from 3.8 eV to a 2eV required to split the water. Since not yet realized in practice, lots of other things are not (yet) known:
      1. efficiency (including the problem of keeping off the recombination of H and OH that most probably result)
      2. stability to corrosion
      would be the first two to pop into my mind.

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  12. Which is more likely? by MaizeMan · · Score: 2

    People deciding to be calm and logical and sacrificing for the good of humanity as a whole? (The opposite of the ignorance and greed and fear we see all around us.) Or some guy in a lab coat eventually inventing a quick technical fix?

    Personally I think cold fusion (or a similarly improbable technological breakthrough like the sunlight->metal->hydrogen described in this article based solely on computer simulation) is by far the more likely of the two possibilities, so I find joy in reading stories like this one, and continue to hope that someday, one of them will come to fruition.

  13. There's also a new nickel catalyst process by jwold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2 weeks ago this same source reported on research at the PNWNL that uses a Nickel catalyst for a 1000x improvement over the platinum catalyst process now used, for example, on the ISS.

  14. Gallium - probably too expensive by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It uses gallium, which also makes great solar cells, more efficient than anything else. But the cost of gallium solar cells is so high that they're only used on spacecraft. They're about 3x more efficient than silicon solar cells, and 300x more expensive.

    1. Re:Gallium - probably too expensive by swebster · · Score: 2

      The solar cells you're thinking of are based on GaAs. This is GaN. While they both contain Ga, they aren't particularly similar. The cost of Gallium isn't what makes GaAs based multi-junction solar cells expensive by the way, it's the cost of manufacturing.

  15. Who cares about containment by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Just make your hydrogen to use in the chemical plants this way instead of reforming natural gas. Ammonia, ammonium sulphide etc etc comes from hydrocarbons now and it's nice to have an alternative way of getting it for when oil and natural gas get to be rare and expensive things.

  16. Safety? by kobaz · · Score: 2

    I don't see anyone else mentioning this... but isn't hydrogen explosive?

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    1. Re:Safety? by kobaz · · Score: 2

      It's the gasoline vapors that are extremely flammable. The gasoline liquid is less so. Hydrogen on the other hand is pure gas, and I would think (IANAC) it's much much more volatile and explosive.

      IANAC - I am not a chemist.

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