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Floating Houses Designed For Low-Lying Countries

Zothecula writes "Venice may soon be sharing its 'Floating City' moniker thanks to a research project developing 'amphibian houses' that are designed to float in the event of a flood. The FLOATEC project sees the primary market for the houses as the Netherlands, whose low-lying land makes it particularly susceptible to the effects of rising sea levels. Such housing technology could also allow small island-states in the Indian and Pacific Oceans that are at the risk of disappearing in the next 100 years to maintain their claim to statehood through the use of artificial, floating structures."

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  1. uh-oh by RenHoek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Floating houses for low-lying countries?!?

    Do they know something I don't?

    Signed,

        Suspicious, from the Netherlands

    1. Re:uh-oh by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's indeed nothing new. The Netherlands has them for decades already. The only somewhat-new part here is that these houses are amphibian (i.e. floating only when there is a flood, most of the time sitting on dry ground), and even that's something I've heard about for well a decade or so at least. And yes that's also related to Dutch houses.

      Indeed reading TFA it's a Dutch company (Dura Vermeer) that's been developing such homes for the past 12 years. Nothing new under the sun. Also it seems no spectacular new developments in the field recently, there is ongoing innovation of course but it doesn't seem to be game-changing.

      Oh well. It's good filler for the /. home page at least.

    2. Re:uh-oh by grouchomarxist · · Score: 3

      Note that the specific phrase "floating houses" gets less than 300,000 hits.

    3. Re:uh-oh by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      sarah palin worships atan and eats babies also get over two thousand results, and Google prompts you with the question, "do you mean sarah palin worships satan and eats babies?" The search results do not mean what you think they mean.

    4. Re:uh-oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the case all along the Pacific really. The Pacific coast is all mountains except for cities built in river delta's (eg Vancouver/Richmond BC, Seattle/Tacoma WA, San Francisco CA, Tokyo Japan), which if it weren't for the fact that these large cities aren't going to float a condo building, aren't the target of the article.

      Rather the target is landfilled areas (which all named above cities have) with a cheaper alternative to pilings that go into bedrock. It might be possible to float a 3-story house (with the basement and first floor effectively "an entrance/car garage and nothing more") so that in the case of a catastrophic flood the upper 2 floors float up linearly at high tide, and come straight back down when the tide subsides. Or in the more likely case of a Tsunami, can be pushed off the fixed foundation and the uppermost floors become an instant houseboat-liferaft. The house and occupants might survive, though a new house would need to be built.

      But in case you're not really familiar with Venice. Venice is literately built on a hundred or so islands centuries ago. The city has subsided 30cm in the last century, and has had tides of nearly 2meters. The buildings don't float, so literately the lower (stone) floors of the buildings are completely useless as shop/storage/sleeping areas since the possibility of a flood coming in and washing everything away is always there. They have flood alerts like Japan has Tsunami alerts.

      So the article itself is an attempt to long-term solve a problem instead of a short term (eg put the building on stilts) where erosion and rotting would otherwise prevent reclamation. These areas are as effectively useless as Atlantic areas prone to storm surge in a hurricane. The average home in the US is built with wood and will last only about 200 years should it not succumb to fire or rot (Pacific coast cities are prone to mold and rot, and therefor have to have suitable breathability.)

      Taking the article one step further, in theory one could build a permanently moored "boat" that in the event of a tsunami or storm surge will float in an area surrounded by at least 3 pillars so the house "boat" part itself will go up and down with the water rise. Crazier things have been done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McBarge

      "Only a fool builds their home upon the sand"

    5. Re:uh-oh by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Obviously, if you park a houseboat on a hill it tips over. Do I have to do all the thinking round here?

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  2. Ignoring the bigger problem by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    If the land belonging to these nations goes underwater for any length of time... who cares if their houses are intact? With no land, they've likely lost any ability to sustain themselves individually or as a culture.

    Or are these floating houses edible and self-repairing?

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    1. Re:Ignoring the bigger problem by c0lo · · Score: 2

      If the land belonging to these nations goes underwater for any length of time... who cares if their houses are intact? With no land, they've likely lost any ability to sustain themselves individually or as a culture.

      Or are these floating houses edible and self-repairing?

      Potable would be the first problem.

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  3. Re:Is it just me, or does this look like by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And doesn't Floating city sound terribly prone to be destroyed by hurricane?

    If it truly floats, redesigned rather.

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  4. Re:landfill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would? We already do. And by the way, some of us here aren't complete douches and think helping your neighbors is the right thing to do. We're all humans and my family certainly didn't evolve here naturally. I have no more right to this land than you or anyone else.

  5. Re:Hmmm.. yeah... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Such housing technology could also allow small island-states in the Indian and Pacific Oceans

    What's next? "Floating rainwater basins", "floating desalination plants" or "regular shipment of bottled water"?
    "Floating coconut farms" maybe?

    These guys are just out there. You're going to float a house on Styrofoam in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Maybe they've been fooled by the name (Pacific - Peaceful) but one little baby typhoon is going to put your Styrofoam and assorted crap in the middle of the Pacific garbage patch. If you want to create floating cities, then go ahead and do so. The tech is there, it's just expensive.

    This might work in a low lying area that gets flooded every couple of years (although the stilt idea previously mentioned seems easier) but it's not going to float well. Somebody needs to torpedo this concept before anyone gets wet.

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  6. US gov't insurance by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of problems would go away if the US would simply get rid of its government flood insurance program. If you want to build a house somewhere its likely to get flooded, and its too risky for a private insurer to cover, and the bank won't loan without insurance... it won't get built. .

    1. Re:US gov't insurance by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of problems would go away if the US would simply get rid of its government flood insurance program.

      It is the sort of thing kids used to be taught about geography in grade school.

      You build along the river because the river provides cheap transportation, fresh water and power. The river often ends in a seaport - giving you a chance to become a major player in coastal and foreign trade.

      Periodic flooding means that your valley remains fertile, perhaps as fertile as the Mississippi Delta.

      For extra credit:

      Map the flood plain of the Mississippi, the Missouri and their tributaries.

      Count the number of people dependent on these rivers for their living, calculate the cost of moving every one of them to higher ground --- including the cost to American trade, agriculture and industry.

  7. Nothing new by AG+the+other · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I was growing up, during visits to my grandmothers we would visit the Ouachita river to fish. Yes it's a word. It's from some Amerind culture.
    There were lots of structures that were built on 55 gallon barrels and tied to trees with big ropes for the annual floods. They even had a union in the gas pipe so that the gas could be turned off and the house allowed to float up off the foundation.
    When the flood was over the neighbors would get together and help put everyone's house back where they belonged.
    Floating houses another recycled idea. Hopefully someone hasn't tried to patent it. There is plenty of prior art.

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    1. Re:Nothing new by couchslug · · Score: 2

      Just build on piles or stilts. Pile driving equipment is simple enough, and the raised housing makes for useful shade underneath.

      They have been common in Asia for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years.

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  8. Re:landfill by tragedy · · Score: 2

    Labor day in the US has nothing to do with the War of Independence. It is the US version of International Workers Day (May Day). It's a Union/socialist holiday. Interestingly, May Day actually commemorates a US event: the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago. For political reasons, in the US, they didn't want to commemorate the massacre, so opted for a more generic Labor day in September promoted by the Central Labor Union.

  9. pinko by decora · · Score: 2

    what we need is a free market solution. maybe if we started charging money for seawater, people wouldn't be so wasteful with it.

  10. Re:Did anyone else read that as... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2

    It made me think of the airborne aircraft carrier in Sky Captain and the World of tomorrow...

    And that made me think of Angelina Jolie.

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  11. Re:Aren't they called houseboats? by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not exactly. They build their homes on stilts, so they remain above water during the seasonal flooding.

  12. Re:landfill by h5inz · · Score: 4, Informative

    What junk? Typical landfill junk decomposition produces dioxins. There is a reason why you don't want your house on a graveyard or a landfill. Also what about the drinking water? I bet the surrounding sea ecosystem wouldn't be overly happy about it either.

  13. Re:landfill by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    They've been doing it for years, if you define "environmental refugee" as "talented rugby player".

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  14. Re:landfill by raynet · · Score: 2

    Actually douches are bad for vaginas...

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  15. Re:Claim to Statehood? by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too much legalese.

    The current international law is just a collection of all the contracts and agreements that have proved to either work well enough to be enforced or to be of so theoretical nature that no one ever had a reason to challenge it.

    So whenever a situation occurs that was never part of the considerations around those rules, the rules will be written anew. There is no Supreme World Court (ok., there is the International Criminal Court, but it is ignored by the U.S.), which decides case law and provides some sort of continous interpretation and development of the rules.

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  16. Re:landfill by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

    Celebrating May Day (May 5) dates back about 3000 years before the existence of the US. It's an ancient pagan festival called Beltaine, that marks the halfway point between the vernal equinox and the summer solstice, and the start of the summer planting season. Most of the symbols and rituals surrounding Beltaine are about fertility and celebrating life.

    As with most pagan festivals, it's been claimed and modified by modern folks, but you can still find the roots of the ancient festival in the modern practice... the most visible for May Day would be dancing around the may pole, but there's other elements of the ancient festival that have made it into the modern version. For further enlightenment, look up Ostara, Samhain, and Yule, all of which show up in the xian calendar in different forms.

  17. Are you sure about that? by brokeninside · · Score: 2

    The NFIP was created because people were already building houses (and businesses) in floodplains and no insurer was willing to insure them. Moreover, it was the same 1968 legislation that created the NFIP that mandated flood insurance if a mortgage was to be issued for a property in a floodplain. So your guess that banks would not be willing to lend money without homeowners having flood insurance is factually incorrect unless you presume that the legislation requiring flood insurance was passed but the accompanying federal insurance program was not.

    Moreover, since many of the floodplains in question were /created/ by the federal government through its river management policies, it was thought at the time to be sensible to make the feds responsible for insuring households built in the floodplains. Were it not for the US Army Corps of Engineers, after all, the Mississippi would no longer go through New Orleans to get the Gulf of Mexico. Dredging rivers, digging channels, installing locks, building levies and flood walls have all altered the natural floodplains of virtually every major river in the US.

  18. Based on what determination? by brokeninside · · Score: 2

    Do you make the line of demarcation consistently annual floods, five year floods, fifty year floods, hundred year floods?

    Moreover, what if the feds build a new levy and create a new floodplain? Or what it isn't the feds but mother nature? After all, the Mississippi would have an entirely different course to the Gulf if the feds hadn't intervened. Imagine that they didn't. Now you've got a very large new floodplain that was previously not a floodplain.

    And what about economics? Perhaps the only places that large sectors of the population can afford to build houses is in a floodplain because such real estate is dirt cheap. If you make such real estate off limits, you not only create other problems but also make other real estate artificially more expensive because now there will be more people competing for less space.

  19. Re:For when you just gotta... by jp102235 · · Score: 2

    miami, ft lauderdale, houston, galveston, wilmington, lower manhattan, long island, etc.
    I could go on and on.
    New Orleans didn't invent "living below sea level"
    now living in a spillway, the atchafalaya, which is flooded (by man, by God indirectly) fairly often, and is within the path to the Gulf that the mississippi really wants to go (very much so, in fact) - now that is a different story.
    those folks know the risk and use buoyant foundations (trailers with styrofoam underneath) to maintain their homes.
    they love living out there (it is real nice), and they understand they could lose everything one day.
    other parts of the mississippi flood plain include MANY areas up north that flood MUCH more regularly, so lay off of new orleans

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