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Dark Matter Hinted at Again at Cresst Experiment

physburn writes "The BBC is reporting recent results from the Cresst dark matter search in Italy. Between 2009 and 2011, Cresst have seen 67 events, a 4 sigma detection of dark matter particles with a mass of either around 15 GeV or 25 GeV. The results are near those previous results from DAMA and Cogent. So has dark matter finally been found, and if so what is it?"

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  1. Not yet. by Claws+Of+Doom · · Score: 4, Informative

    4 sigma detection != (officially) found. You need 5 sigma for "discovery" status. The BBC have a good explanatory piece: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14811580

    1. Re:Not yet. by Claws+Of+Doom · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am an idiot.

    2. Re:Not yet. by myrikhan · · Score: 2

      Will 8.9 sigma do? http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1002/1002.1028v1.pdf It's not that easy of course. DAMA/LIBRA, CoGEnT and now CRESS are getting hits while XENON100 isn't. I'm interested in how this will eventually turn out.

  2. Dark matter always seemed like a cop out. by AnonGCB · · Score: 2

    Dark matter always seemed like a convenient hand wave, but I'm thrilled if there's some concrete evidence of it. I do love being wrong!

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    1. Re:Dark matter always seemed like a cop out. by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

      I do love being wrong!

      You're married, aren't you? Sounds like for some time, too.

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    2. Re:Dark matter always seemed like a cop out. by Jello+B. · · Score: 2
      It's not a cop out.

      The correspondence of the two gravitational lens techniques to other dark matter measurements has convinced almost all astrophysicists that dark matter actually exists as a major component of the universe's composition.

    3. Re:Dark matter always seemed like a cop out. by lgw · · Score: 2

      Dark matter was a convenient hand wave for the galaxy rotation problem, and just one of many hypotheses. But the the CMBR measurements also showed dark matter in the early universe, and in the same proportion predicted. That was as solid a confirmation as you ever get in cosmology.

      What's interesting now is what it's made of - all we know is there's no interaction with photons, and no frictional clumping as you'd see in normal matter (or at least not in the wide range of energies involved in galaxy formation).

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    4. Re:Dark matter always seemed like a cop out. by spiralx · · Score: 2

      It's not dead, initial results from the LHC are inconsistent with the simplest model of SUSY, but do not yet rule out other models which have higher energies for s-particles.

  3. Don't bet your house on this result holding up by Xerxes314 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's consistent with DAMA and Cogent in the sense that it's ruled out by those experiments at only a few sigma. It's "near" Cogent in the sense that 8 is "near" 25, and it's "near" DAMA in the sense that 35 is "near" 10; that is, it's not near at all. It's ruled out by Xenon by many orders of magnitude. My favorite theoretical model to explain these results is IDM (Italian Dark Matter), which consists of dark matter that only exists in Italy. Presumably similar particles are responsible for whatever makes Guinness taste better in Ireland.

    1. Re:Don't bet your house on this result holding up by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 2

      If I had mod points..... IDM will be my acronym of the week.

  4. Great introductions to dark matter by overshoot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Starts with a Bang is an astrophysics professor's coverage of dark matter and what we know about it (including why we believe it makes up most of the matter in the universe.)

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  5. lots of these experiments running by bcrowell · · Score: 2

    There are lots of experiments of this type running right now. This team, CRESST-II, has announced that they have more events than can be explained by their background. However, that's not really the most convincing evidence you could ask for, since the background could have been underestimated. A more convincing thing to see is that some of the experiments are reporting signals that are modulated by the expected amount on a yearly basis by the earth's motion relative to the frame of the cosmic microwave background. Here is a paper that includes a survey of the the results as of June. There are some apparent contradictions between some groups' positive results and others' negative results.

  6. Re:How I ruined Guiness for a friend: by bughunter · · Score: 2

    Guinness tastes like soy sauce - I don't drink piss-warm "beer" so I wouldn't know.

    Murphy's is better, is commonly available in the US, and also has the widget. Young's Double Chocolate Stout is even better than that. Rasputin's Imperial Stout is also not hard to find, and far better than Guinness. Australian Sheaf Stout is like heaven compared to any of those. But beware: Foster's makes a disappointing knockoff of the style and appears to have some kind of exclusive US distribution arrangement; I haven't seen a bottle of Tooth's Sheaf Stout in nearly 25 years.

    The only thing that Guinness has going for it compared to other Stouts is its near ubiquity and a large marketing budget. It's the Bleedin' Watney's Red Barrel of stouts.

    Oh, and also, either your piss is 40 or you let your beer get too warm.

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  7. Re:Haters gonna hate. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    You are mistaken. Your parent is right. The concept of aether is indeed comming back as Gedankenexperiement or as an analogy. If you had read your parents post till the end you had seen "space time" or "fabric of space time" or "vacuum" as modern variations of the same aether concepts our for fathers had. Why don't you google? You should find many modern publications that "use" the word aether ... but not in the old classical sense.

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  8. Re:Haters gonna hate. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    But that's just it - that's the underpinning of modern physics right there - it's no that there's not an aether, it's that as goes light so goes the universe.

    Not, that's not just it. The underpinning of modern physics is that there is no privileged reference frame, when the whole point of the aether was that it was such a frame. That frame -- the aether -- does not exist. That's the first major distinction between "modern" and the prior physics in which the aether was hypothesised. It is inherently contradictory to talk about modern physics and then say "it's not that there's not an aether" because it is an inherent consequence of the true underpinning of modern physics that there isn't.

    So calling space-time the luminiferous aether is completely stupid and and categorically wrong.

    That's why nobody does. Hard to believe, I know.

    Amd this is /. - all snark is warrented, elsewise what would we read?

    You're so right; what would people do if they had to be snarky and make sense?

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