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Smartphones Becoming Computer of Choice in Developing Countries

An anonymous reader writes "The build-out of 3G networks in developing countries, plus ultra-low prices from the likes of Samsung, will make the smartphone the sole computer of millions of citizens worldwide. And by 2016, 97 percent of smartphones are expected to use touchscreens. Now, don't get me wrong — I carry an iPad and an iPod Touch in my backpack and love touchscreens — but I still like a phone that fits in my pocket. However, I'm going to be in the minority five years from now, when the majority of wireless communicators will be smartphones."

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  1. Developing countries by ge7 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time living in Asia, it already is somewhat true. Unlike in US or Europe, people in developing countries, especially Asia, tend to visit webcafes instead of having their own computer. Some do, but it's much more common to go out. You can find these in almost every corner too, they're cheap to use and they have drinks and beer too. This also makes it a bit more social.

    People go to webcafes to do everything that needs an actual computer, and otherwise stay connected to internet via smartphones, which are a lot cheaper to use too.

    1. Re:Developing countries by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      People go to webcafes to do everything that needs an actual computer

      Oh come on. How are you supposed to jerk off to online porn in a webcafe? The local health departments must have some standards.

      Seriously.

      Oh, and I have another question: Why should we care whether lots of people are using their smartphones instead of desktop computers? I wonder how many people are posting here on Slashdot using a tablet or smartphone. I don't think it's very many.

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    2. Re:Developing countries by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      If that's the only thing you do with your "computer", it's not.

      Unless you have cygwin installed on it, or you are running folding@home as your screensave, it's not a computer, it's an entertainment center.

      I know it's very subjective, but I claim that there is a whole bunch of people who used computers since 70s and 80s that share this subjective view.

      Computer is something that has either some kind of "intelligence" or performs something more than entertaining: some useful work.

      Your wireless router has more rights to be called a computer than your iPad.

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    3. Re:Developing countries by ge7 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, they have sex with real girls instead of wanking to porn.

    4. Re:Developing countries by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, they have sex with real girls instead of wanking to porn.

      Where's the fun in that?

      I guess it explains the population disparity, though.

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    5. Re:Developing countries by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Many of them can grow their own food but they don't get to eat it because people with guns come to take it and or their land to sell to someone else for more profit than can be made off of feeding their countrymen.

      Or the people that knew how to grow the food were killed or forced off the land they knew how to farm so that someone from the right tribe could have the land whether they knew how to farm at all.

      If you haven't noticed, we got out of the human rights conflicts in Africa. Blackhawk Down and all that. No western country has seemed all that anxious to get in there and deal with the Darfur issue.

    6. Re:Developing countries by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      so if they cant keep their land and food how are they keeping their droid's? Obviously these people have their priorities right.

    7. Re:Developing countries by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Keeping their Droid's what?

      There's no difference between a small, easily carried item and bulky or immobile things nor any difference between someone in a relatively stable city and someone in contested countryside?

    8. Re:Developing countries by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      the whole story is about devloping countries favoring mobile devices, sorry if I lost you somewhere but if click clack cant keep ahold of their food how are they keeping expensive celphones and service?

      it does not add up

    9. Re:Developing countries by Duradin · · Score: 1

      And Chewbacca lives on Endor.

    10. Re:Developing countries by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      You can get rather cheap MP4 players these days. Hell you can probably get a cheap first/second gen IPod touch off of craigslist et all for less than $50 American. One would assume you could just download your porn to that, go home, then start wanking. Now doing it with people looking over your shoulder and wrestling with the various file types used on the internet (I think most would need transcoded to play on a portable player) would maybe be roadblocks, but technically speaking, it wouldn't be outside the realm of reality.

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    11. Re:Developing countries by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      you do know droid is a smartphone from motorola right? if you dont then get out from under your rock, if you do this is the most pathetic trolling I have ever seen.

    12. Re:Developing countries by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Computer is something that has either some kind of "intelligence" or performs something more than entertaining: some useful work.

      Your wireless router has more rights to be called a computer than your iPad.

      Horseshit.

      In the strictest sense of the word, if it's capable of running a Turing complete language, it's a computer.

      I have a telnet client on my iPad, I have a remote desktop client, I have a WebEx client, and I have several tools and text editors I use for productivity and note taking. I've got google maps, a web browser, Dragon Dictate if I really want it, and language references for at least 3 different programming languages. I have documented systems using a mind-mapping application I have, and I have reviewed 400 page PDF documents for work on it.

      There is software that allows you to read and edit Office documents, and if you buy a bluetooth keyboard, you can have a physical keyboard without any problems. Type away.

      You may not like the iPad, and you might not like the interface on it ... but your subjective definition of what constitutes a computer is self serving and just plain wrong. In some ways, it's a much more useful and powerful computer than was a DOS machine in the mid-late 80s.

      Arguably, when you're talking about smart phones having dual core CPUs (I'm talking about general purpose CPUs here), and the ability to do a lot of things ... if you are claiming that a tablet or a modern smart phone isn't a computer, then you don't understand what a computer is.

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  2. Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does an iPod touch not fit in your pocket? What kind of of pants are you wearing?

    1. Re:Pocket by rphenix · · Score: 1

      How does an iPod touch not fit in your pocket? What kind of of pants are you wearing?

      Skinny jeans?

    2. Re:Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      in america they'd be big fat lard-ass jeans where the fabric is cryin' for mercy. a lot of them can't see their genitals or their toes.

    3. Re:Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always find it rather uncomfortable, having a wallet, smartphone, keys, and sunglasses in my pockets at all times. But, I deal with it and keep filling my pockets with this stuff.

      I'm wearing the normal kind of pants one would wear in an office i.e. not jeans or shorts.

    4. Re:Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skinny jeans?

      Sure, but if the OP was wearing skinny jeans, then he/she probably can't fit a non-smart candy bar phone in them either ...

    5. Re:Pocket by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      If you can see your genitals while wearing jeans, you are doing it wrong.

    6. Re:Pocket by shitzu · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why i use a smartphone. It allowed me to ditch the ipod, navi etc AND it fits in my pocket. No need for a backpack.

    7. Re:Pocket by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Possibly it depends on the (size of) genitals too?

    8. Re:Pocket by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      If you can see your genitals while wearing jeans, you are doing it wrong.

      Depends on the person in the jeans. Camel toe can be aesthetically pleasing.

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    9. Re:Pocket by gilleain · · Score: 1

      why have you got sunglasses in your pockets at all times? poof

      Lives in a sunny country?

    10. Re:Pocket by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      If I wear normal, regular fit Levi 501s then anything in the pockets gets bent when I sit down.

      These days I have to wear pants with pockets in the legs to carry all my gadget stuff ("cargo pants" in the USA). The only other choice is to carry a little handbag with me (but that's not happening).

      I guess all the "huh?" comments are from Americans where 'baggy enough to hide the flab' is the norm for trouser size.

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    11. Re:Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then he should be wearing them, shouldn't he?

    12. Re:Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? There are no fat people other than Americans? Quick someone give the frenchie a cheese burger and some freedom fries, obviously they've fallen behind.

    13. Re:Pocket by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Or maybe the "huh?" are from people who can wear regular fit 501s and still fit stuff in their pockets...

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    14. Re:Pocket by rednip · · Score: 1

      If I wear normal, regular fit Levi 501s then anything in the pockets gets bent when I sit down.

      If your phone bends when in your pants, you should probably be replacing it anyways, sure with 501s sometime keys and other things hurt if they get caught up the wrong way in those relatively tight fitting jeans, but they were most 'dangerous' with smokes in a soft pack. Why you seem to imply that Americans don't wear tight fitting jeans or how you'd get that impression, probably some shouldn't, but there are plenty of people who pull it off well.

      I'm not sure why you choose to include the pedestrian 'American's are fat' narrative for not being 'able' to wear the only truly American clothes, and then tie that into the idea that a smart phone doesn't fit well in a pocket. However, I only carry my phone on my left side pocket and my wallet and keys in the other front pocket. When I used to smoke, my cigs went into the cell phone pocket, and that sometimes got uncomfortable in jeans. Especially if I had a 'box' of them and it was beneath the phone. As phones got thinner and lighter, it was easier to ignore it. Eventually, I needed to touch my pocket, just to see if my phone was there. The iPhone in part reversed trend by increasing the width and height, not so much that it's become a problem yet. Maybe a 5" screen would convince me otherwise, but I still sometimes touch my pocket to assure the presence of my phone.

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    15. Re:Pocket by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      This is a major reason that made-me not to buy/use an iPhone up to now (besides the overpriced "behavior" of Apple products): it' too big to fit comfortably on my regular pockets - and that's why I just bought a Galaxy 551

    16. Re:Pocket by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      the same applies to Galaxy S and Galaxy S2

      * I made bold tag error in my previous post :P

    17. Re:Pocket by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      ... other problem, for me, is the touchscreen-only interface: I can't type real e-mails with this :P

    18. Re:Pocket by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      After a few minutes of practice, using Swype on a touchscreen was far more efficient than using the slide out keyboard of my own phone. I had doubts about touchscreen only, but it's not that bad.

    19. Re:Pocket by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      How does an iPod touch not fit in your pocket? What kind of of pants are you wearing?

      Skinny jeans?

      That makes as much sense as complaining that you can't carry your phone in your ski pants except by stuffing it down your g-string.

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    20. Re:Pocket by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Possibly it depends on the (size of) genitals too?

      Like the Great Wal of China, you can see mine from outer space. Like a black hole they distort gravity. If there were Seven Wonders of the Modern World, mine would be three of them.

      I really must stop drinking at lunchtime.

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    21. Re:Pocket by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you can see your genitals while wearing jeans, you are doing it wrong.

      Depends on the person in the jeans. Camel toe can be aesthetically pleasing.

      I don't know about aessthetically pleasing, but it does send out the message that she probably will, given a bare minimum of effort/cash on your part.

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    22. Re:Pocket by shitzu · · Score: 1

      And does 111 x 55 x 15.2 mm Galaxy 551 fit much more comfortably in your pocket than 115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm iphone? I am usually not that demanding when choosing trousers that a couple of millimeters would make or brake my smartphone choice.

      As far as "overpriced behaviour" is concerned - in my country an unlocked iphone costs less than comparable models from samsung and HTC. I am not saying that Apple does not have shortcomings, but price and size are not among them.

  3. Not Just Developing Countries by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I already probably do half to two thirds of my browsing, email, and related tasks on my smartphone these days. An awful lot of what we do with computers is arguably trivial stuff that doesn't need screen real estate or big computing power.

    My laptop is gathering dust!

    1. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find it a pain to type more than just a few sentences on a phone.

    2. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      I find it a pain to type more than just a few sentences on a phone.

      I have a multiple sclerosis, which impairs my vision and coordination little bit and I don't have a problem with that at all.

    3. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by dslbrian · · Score: 1

      I already probably do half to two thirds of my browsing, email, and related tasks on my smartphone these days. An awful lot of what we do with computers is arguably trivial stuff that doesn't need screen real estate or big computing power.

      For basic content viewing, and simple web browsing small touchscreens work ok. However for anything requiring more precision than the finger sized blob a touchscreen sees, they absolutely blow. I can barely stand editing a couple sentences on a smartphone, and I can't imagine using it to do the things you would do on a regular computer. Try writing a thesis on a smartphone, or here's one - does anyone code android apps using only an android touchscreen device? That would be agony. At minimum I think one would want some kind of dock with an actual keyboard/mouse to do any kind of real work on such a device. Even then you would also want to plug into additional storage. Perhaps someone will make a killing with a low cost docking station.

    4. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a multiple sclerosis, which impairs my vision and coordination little bit and I don't have a problem with that at all.

      That`s an incredibly positive attitude.

    5. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ?Try writing a thesis on a smartphone, or here's one

      I really wish people would stop posting this kind of thing. The phones will support bluetooth keyboards and wireless monitor connections. It'll talk to the same devices you are able to use today; it'll just fit in your pocket when you want to carry it around.

      Please, can a million slashdotters STOP already with this nonsense about lack of keyboard and monitor? IT WON'T BE TRUE. The companies working on these devices are aware of this issue. Wireless keyboards already are supported, and monitors are being worked on - this will be there in two more smartphone generations.

    6. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by raodin · · Score: 1

      Some android phones (Droid X2 for example) already have HDMI ports and support mirroring.

    7. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you _have_ a computer.

      a lot of people haven't used a computer and maybe only seen a computer few times, but are using internet connected phones capable of running computer programs.

    8. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Perhaps someone will make a killing with a low cost docking station.

      Asus are hoping you're right.
      http://event.asus.com/mobile/padfone/

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    9. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want the EEE Pad Transformer. It's the tablet that plugs into a dock that looks suspiciously like a laptop keyboard/touchpad. It also increases your battery life out to 16 hours.

    10. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by camperdave · · Score: 0

      Can't you just grab a bluetooth keyboard and "hook" that up to the smartphone?

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    11. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by alexo · · Score: 1

      What about phones with physical (slider) keyboards?

      Some of them are not much thicker than the keyboardless ones.

    12. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      It's painful to read more than a few sentences from most people.

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    13. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      We appreciate you sparing us then! ;-P

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    14. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big screens are much better to surf porn.

    15. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already probably do half to two thirds of my browsing, email, and related tasks on my smartphone these days. An awful lot of what we do with computers is arguably trivial stuff that doesn't need screen real estate or big computing power.

      My laptop is gathering dust!

      I would love to do more on my smartphone, but I can't use an external bluetooth or USB keyboard. I'm on a MyTouch 4G, and own various bluetooth keyboards. None of them connect! Until that bug (and I do consider it a bug) is fixed, I have to carry around a laptop. Any ideas out there in slash dot land?

    16. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with my galaxy s2 running debian like a charm, my eee has slowly turned into a portable USB charger for the s2. And occasionally, a vnc terminal for those times when you need fast typing and mouse action.

      With my s2 faster at some GIMP operations than my S2, .... :)

    17. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Listen to Tolkien and his fancy pants need for more than 140 characters! ;-)

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    18. Re:Not Just Developing Countries by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      No problem... HEY WAIT! That was mean :~(~~~~ Why, I oughtta...

      ;)

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  4. Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does it have to be either/or? Case in point, the HP Veer (if those morons hadn't dicontinued it to focus on trying to be the next SAP some day).

    1. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by DJ+Rubbie · · Score: 2

      Or just get bigger pockets.

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    2. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      My pockets in my jeans can fit a 7" tablet without much issue.

      I have never understood what people complain about with their tiny 3.5" phone.

    3. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      My pockets in my jeans can fit a 7" tablet without much issue.

      I have never understood what people complain about with their tiny 3.5" phone.

      I guess few bricks would easily fit too? :)

    4. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      My pockets in my jeans can fit a 7" tablet without much issue.

      American obesity FTW!!

      (ok, really Australia but don't let facts get in the way of a joke)

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    5. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by Chrisq · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      My pockets in my jeans can fit a 7" tablet without much issue.

      I have never understood what people complain about with their tiny 3.5" phone.

      Most of the space in mine is taken up by my 14 inch dick.

    6. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      My pockets in my jeans can fit a 7" tablet without much issue.

      Well yes Ii can fit my ebook reader in my jeans pockets. It's just a bit difficult when you want to sit down without breaking the thing;.

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    7. Re:Plenty of smartphones fit in your pocket. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best thing about 14 inch dicks?


      There are 14 of them.

  5. OLPC? How about OSPPC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The days of OLPC are numbered and smartphones will replace them.

  6. The problem is with software distribution by Casandro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In a nutshell there are 3 different ways to handle software distribution. (with some overlap)

    1. Anarchy: This way is typically done on Windows. You either use a search engine to type in "$program free download" and follow the first link, or you download the source-code and compile it yourself. This requires the user to be able to evaluate the software themselves. There is no guide. This works perfectly well with competent users, but can lead to large problems with the masses.

    2. Dictatorship: You have a pre-made "app-store" which only lists programmes which went through some sort of censorship process. There is typically only one to choose from and typically you have no way to influence the rules or decisions. This is the way it's now typically done on newer smartphones, for example on iOS/Blackberry/WP7/Android. Since you cannot control what code you have running on your system, you have very little control about what your system is doing.

    3. Communism: (in the sense of community) You have list of recommended programs which can be easily installed. That list is compiled by a community which you can join if you have proven to be competent or at least ask why they have done a decision in a certain way. If you don't like that decision, you can always go to another community and often even mix 2 for the greatest benefit. Installing software yourself is discouraged but not forbidden. You can always just do that.

    The big point why this is so important is that computers are now extensions of your brain. This means the software running on your computer influences how you think.

    1. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Kensai7 · · Score: 1

      "The big point why this is so important is that computers are now extensions of your brain. This means the software running on your computer influences how you think."

      True. From the moment computers became easily portable and always connected, we have almost the equivalent of unlimited memory. Even if you don't remember or know something, it's probably a few touches (the new term for 'clicks') away. I wonder what will come after the smartphones... wearable computers anyone? :)

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    2. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      exactly my opinion. Also with a smartphone you can not really learn more about the smartphone. That means how to program it, open it and upgrade parts etc. As a result there might be fewer persons who learns about computer on their own, which is bad for the IT industry. Of course most people won't become programmers but I believe that this harms innovation.

    3. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Well actually this is not a fault of smartphones as such. For example the maemo line of smartphones actually had a normal bash shell so you could program it on the phone itself. It is, in a nutshell, just a matter of software.

      Besides even before the smartphone craze, there were lots of little programmable portable computers which would now be considered smartphones (without the radio).

    4. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I learned programming on my TI-83 calculator... mostly I was bored in class, but without it, I never would have understood loops and such, which led me into web development

    5. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Why does a modern smartphone have be be less powerfull than a programmable calculator?

    6. Re:The problem is with software distribution by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      there's nothing really stopping you programming your phone, however there is a bit of a barrier to entry on the iphone & windows phone (you need a mac and whatever apple's ide is called or a windows pc and a free copy of visual studio) but android is pretty open by default, and it's even feasible (not easy or fun) to write programs directly on the phone.

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    7. Re:The problem is with software distribution by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      android is pretty open by default, and it's even feasible (not easy or fun) to write programs directly on the phone.

      Actually, with SL4A it IS sort of fun, especially if you add Amarino into the mix

      "Scripting Layer for Android (SL4A) brings scripting languages to Android by allowing you to edit and execute scripts and interactive interpreters directly on the Android device. These scripts have access to many of the APIs available to full-fledged Android applications, but with a greatly simplified interface that makes it easy to get things done."

      http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/

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    8. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed - modern smartphones are MUCH more powerful than the 8-bit computers we started with as a kid.

      The N900 has a video out, so you can plug it into your television. Add a couple of Bluetooth input devices and you've got the equivalent of the 8-bit computer revolution - without the software. This is the space the Raspberry Pi is trying to aim for. Even though the Pi is much cheaper than a smartphone, the extra utility of the smartphone may make it a "necessity" where the Pi is a luxury.

      The thing that got us hooked on computers was necessity - you had to learn something, to use them at all. Once you learned something, you developed an appetite for more. The availability of user-friendly GUI is what stunts this instinct these days.

    9. Re:The problem is with software distribution by icebraining · · Score: 1

      And for the S60, you can download a Python shell from Nokia's website, complete with API access to the phone (camera, contacts, etc).

    10. Re:The problem is with software distribution by xaccrocheur · · Score: 0

      (...) there might be fewer persons who learns about computer on their own, which is bad for the IT industry. (...)

      Yeah, because "the IT industry" wants insightful, informed and tech-savvy users, they demonstrate that every day. Right. IMO it's quite the opposite : The PC market with its "anarchic user paradise of freedom of choice and free information" is seen as an accident that mustn't be reproduced.

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    11. Re:The problem is with software distribution by xaccrocheur · · Score: 0

      Guys, hello ? The N900 / Maemo platform got canned pretty badly by Nokia. It's almost like they did the whole "Maemo / internet tablet" line to study the impact that a really cool, innovative, user-empowering platform would have, in order to NOT do it. To their defense, this system spawned a whole hard-core community of geeky users, and before they knew it they RTFM like there's no tomorrow, dismantled the phone, wrote custom low-level drivers, gathered assemblies, voted to define politic directions, heck now that the platform is dead, they downright have the high hand over the system updates. This, depending on who you ask, is either a dream, or a nightmare.

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    12. Re:The problem is with software distribution by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      1. Anarchy: This way is typically done on Windows.

      No, Microsoft has a rather extensive website which indeed includes information on Windows software. They operate in a state of benevolent neglect with typical market manipulation. And as you state, there is no pure communism.

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    13. Re:The problem is with software distribution by tepples · · Score: 1

      Besides even before the smartphone craze, there were lots of little programmable portable computers which would now be considered smartphones (without the radio).

      Those were called PDAs. Archos still sells an Android-powered PDA called the Archos 43 Internet Tablet. They're good for people who want to run smartphone apps but can only afford dumbphone monthly service, such as children under legal working age.

    14. Re:The problem is with software distribution by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the iPod Touch and many other devices.

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    15. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      Loops led you to web development? You must be the person that forced Firefox to add the 'Firefox has detected the server is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete' error message.

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    16. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Long-term, I think this is the future. Processing and storage will move to your phone (well, critical storage and backups might go onto the cloud, or a home server). Your "tablet" will become a display which interfaces wirelessly with your phone. Your "laptop" will become a keyboard which interfaces wireless with your phone, which is interfacing wireless with your "tablet".

      If you know you're going to be doing a lot of typing and mousing, you'll bring the display, keyboard, and mouse along with your phone.
      If you know you're mostly just going to be viewing data, you'll just bring the display along with your phone.
      If you know you're not going to really need the computer, you'll just bring along your phone. Your data is still accessible should you happen to need it.

      It's a little ironic that developing countries will experience this before modernized countries, but a similar thing happened with wireless telecom. Modernized countries already had entrenched wired telecom networks, so wireless was just an option. Developing countries had no networks, and wireless networks were a lot cheaper to build, so they built (relatively) extensive wireless telecom networks.

    17. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      The display will ultimately condense down into a head mounted display of some sort - hopefully something that could be mistaken for a pair of reading glasses (or "phenomenoscopes" as Neal Stephenson would have it), with full AR integration.

      I don't think I'd want to give up a full-size mechanical keyboard though. I guess I'll have somewhere to store a LOT of redundant battery pack in my Model M or Cherry.

    18. Re:The problem is with software distribution by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      It is sad that the Maemo / MeeGo project was canned at Nokia. Even after everyone gave rave reviews to it's successor, the N9 - Nokia sabotaged this phone good and proper by keeping it out of any markets that could have embraced it. They're releasing it in Kazakhstan, and Australia, avoiding Japan, Canada, Sweden, Germany, the U.K. and the U.S. - they couldn't be any clearer if they put a leaflet in the box that said "We hate this product and we want it to fail. The only reason you can buy it at all is because otherwise we'll be sued by our shareholders for wasting money on dead-end projects."

      Nokia should have climbed onto the shoulders of the Android while they still could. They could still differentiate on their great hardware, principally their great antenna tech. Now they can only differentiate on being the the major-league phone company that's Microsoft's bitch.

  7. Japan as well by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Japan a lot of people either don't have a computer at home, or don't have internet access(they usually have a laptop in that case). However the reasons are probably a bit different, the Japanese can obviously afford computers, but since even now most Japanese people don't take work home with them, there really isn't an overwhelming need to have one.

    1. Re:Japan as well by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Japan a lot of people either don't have a computer at home, or don't have internet access(they usually have a laptop in that case). However the reasons are probably a bit different, the Japanese can obviously afford computers, but since even now most Japanese people don't take work home with them, there really isn't an overwhelming need to have one.

      oh man... thats so sad... what they do when they come home after work???? no facebook? no.... ehm... porn?? no news, no email, no skype, no ichat? just your wife kids and stuff??? I ain't going there, no way!

    2. Re:Japan as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, you expect the average working person in Japan to have _FREE TIME_ to spend? They don't, and when they do get home the only thing they want to do is watch brainless variety shows.
       

    3. Re:Japan as well by zerojoker · · Score: 1

      > what they do when they come home after work???? if you come home from work at 11pm, maybe you just want to sleep? Japanese folks are required to do long hours a lot, not matter if the overtime actually makes sense or not.

    4. Re:Japan as well by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Actually printed porn is still quite popular in Japan, esp. when compared to the US and Europe where it is in serious decline. Maybe thats related to the % of the population that has computers, maybe not. Hard to say.

    5. Re:Japan as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people I know do have computers. But that might be because a lot of them are students or their children are, not sure. However most of the daily internet needs, mail, games ,fb have long been satisfied by mobile phones here.

    6. Re:Japan as well by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      LOL, you expect the average working person in Japan to have _FREE TIME_ to spend? They don't, and when they do get home the only thing they want to do is watch brainless variety shows.

      So there is something that the West manufactures that the Japanese want then.

    7. Re:Japan as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does their printed porn have the genitals mosaiced-out too?

    8. Re:Japan as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some sensible reasons I've heard for this:

      - space is tight in the urban areas. So the old 1990s style computers were quite the PITA to fit in, with a big CRT and full tower and desk space for a keyboard and mouse and maybe more desk space for a printer (also big, back then). It's gotten better, since we have LCDs and smaller printers and mid towers (or smaller). But it's still a lot of space. Laptops are preferred, but they have their own issues - they cost more and are less upgradable (and/or also more expensively so).

      - input. Look, modern desktop computers are still pretty much based around their western-euro-centric keyboards and US-designed operating system. It took a long time to get Japanese language input right, and it's still comparatively quirky; phonetic input and heavy software assist with dropdowns to choose the right symbols, and all the potential for wild typos that comes with that. I've read comments by Japanese academics and techies to the general effect that "this is a pain and leads directly to our countrymen doing less with computers and programming than our competitors". (It's true for phones too, but the average phone user naturally does a lot less phone typing than the average computer user). I gather this is less of a problem for the Korean language (Hangul is phonetic), and I'm not entirely sure how the Chinese handle it (but have heard that Chinese and Japanese youth are losing the ability to write the more complex/rare characters because they're used to the phone autocomplete doing it for them!).

      These things inherently discourage computer use.
      Many developing countries will have similar issues (aside from the obvious problems of reliable wired power and internet availability in a few places). The interface just isn't geared towards their native language. Arabic comes to mind as another example; there's something variable about the way the letters connect/end that is tricky for software to properly pick up on and display, and it's just plain going to take more keypresses to write the same amount of content.

      Oh, and on top of that, the other big obvious thing is the language barrier for communication in general. When the software's not written for your language (or poorly adapted for it) and the vast majority of content and users are in a different language that you don't know fluently / don't feel comfortable using / don't know at all, that definitely isolates your country from all this new whizzbang digital technology. Generally, these are from wildly different language groups that are mutually very difficult for each other to learn. (Mandarin - English - Hindi - Spanish are the most-known languages, but only EnglishSpanish is "easy" and all the other combinations are "hard".) There's no easy answer to this element, aside from maybe "everyone learn Esperanto".

  8. We just need an entry to the 'Net. by Kensai7 · · Score: 1

    I use my desktop for gaming and serious data manipulation, my laptop for everything else (video, communicating, office work, etc). I don't have a tablet yet, but I can see it substituting all my other uses, minus the most CPU-intensive. If a tablet can do this, newer generation smartphones can do it as well. Computing power goes up, the only limit is the physical limit which makes it difficult to enter data and watch it comfortably.

    But for most casual PC jobs (e-mailing, tickets, show times, etc) smartphones are already great. And if your tablet can fit in your backpack, your smartphone can fit in your pocket!

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    1. Re:We just need an entry to the 'Net. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for a cheap hybrid; a laptop with a touchscreen where I could simply detach the screen and use it as a tablet (even if it's just a screen, battery and wireless link to the base).

      I know you can just plug in a keyboard/mouse combo to a tablet, but that feels like a poor hack of a laptop, and besides I want a 12" screen minimum.

    2. Re:We just need an entry to the 'Net. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check the Asus SL101 slider, an evolution of the Transformer. Had one in hand a few days ago, pretty cool and neatly designed (I still prefer the Thrive myself for all the available ports though)

    3. Re:We just need an entry to the 'Net. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Same problems as the Transformer: small screen and keyboard, not enough RAM, probably too slow CPU.

      I want a proper 12" laptop, but with a detachable capacitive touchscreen.

  9. 97% of smartphones are expected to use touchscreen by mirix · · Score: 2

    That's truly a shame. Unless it's in addition to a keyboard, of course.

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  10. FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1, Interesting

    First they try to steal "apps" for things that are not applications, but rather channels of content.

    Now a smartphone is a "computer"? In the sense of "general-purpose computing device" it most certainly is not. And neither is a fucking tablet.

    I love my Android phone. But it is a communications device. It is not a computer.

    I wouldn't mind having a tablet. I'll probably get one this year or next. It'll be great to surf and watch films with. But it's a content-consumption device. It is not a computer.

    But I guess "Smartphones Becoming Communications Devices of Choice in Developing Countries" doesn't sound as sexy.

    And while I'm busy ripping the submitter (and idiots in general) a new one--what does this have to especially with "developing countries", anyway?

    The build-out of 3G networks in developing countries, plus ultra-low prices from the likes of Samsung, will make the smartphone the sole computer of millions of citizens worldwide. And by 2016, 97 percent of smartphones are expected to use touchscreens.

    I see "worldwide". I see nothing about "developing countries" in there. Do you?

    ExecSummary: In 5 years, most mobile phones will use touchscreens. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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    1. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Okay, okay, I missed the bit about expanding 3G networks in developing countries.

      But it's still Captain Obviousness, and I'm still pissed that I got suckered into wasting my time reading this.

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    2. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest in turn that you go fuck yourself with my dad's hearing aid, since it contains a CPU, processes data, and is therefore a "computer".

      Moron.

      love and kisses,

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    3. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by bonch · · Score: 1

      Now a smartphone is a "computer"? In the sense of "general-purpose computing device" it most certainly is not. And neither is a fucking tablet.

      What the hell are you talking about? Smartphones are computers with cellular radios. The phone functionality is just another app.

    4. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Smart phones and tablets are just as much general computing devices as our computers of the past were. The fact that I can run Frodo, DosBox, and UAE on them means that to claim they are not general-purpose computing devices you must redefine computers in their entirety.

    5. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      The computer I learnt to code on was an 8088 - if memory serves me right it's clock speed was 4.7khz (with turbo), it had a whopping 640k of memory and a humongous 20mb harddrive. It was a huge beige box which was heavy enough to use for cover when under automatic weapons fire. My current phone runs at 1ghz, has 768 mb of ram and 16gb of storage. It also fits in my pocket and is not suitable for cover under any weapon fire (including potatoe guns). How is the first one a computer and not the second? I think you need to wipe the shiit out of your eyes and take another look at the world around you.

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    6. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by grcumb · · Score: 2

      Okay, okay, I missed the bit about expanding 3G networks in developing countries.

      But it's still Captain Obviousness, and I'm still pissed that I got suckered into wasting my time reading this.

      Tragically, it's not as obvious as it might seem to us geeks. In Papua New Guinea there are 55 thousand Facebook subscribers. 50 thousand of them access the Internet exclusively through their phones. But government is so blind to the incipient demand that they actively promote some of the highest Internet prices in the world. Reports like this are quite useful to those of us trying to make people realise that Internet + smart phone actually means something to the development of a nation.

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    7. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by migla · · Score: 1

      And fuck apple in general. Peddlers of bullshit. Destroyers of freedom.

      i havent read tfa, but as to the phone being or not being a computer, the N900 is pretty much a debian gnu/linux machine.

      On the maemo forums I stumbled across a thread about someone buying up "all" used N900 from ebay uk. Apparently they can sell them for more than what uk:ians wanna pay in some other country.

      i agree the ios:s and androids are more like comm devices, but yo dawg, I can haz asterisk on my n900 if I wanna...

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    8. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Now a smartphone is a "computer"? In the sense of "general-purpose computing device" it most certainly is not. And neither is a fucking tablet.

      Congratulations: 3:57 AM and already I'm seeing the dumbest thing I'm going to see all day. They have input, they have output, and they can run arbitrary, general-purpose code. That makes them a general-purpose computing device, yea, even my shitty LG flip phone. I can write any Java Applet I want and load it on the phone, that makes it a general purpose computing device.

      I love my Android phone. But it is a communications device. It is not a computer.

      Oh, you're trolling. How much did that UID cost you?

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    9. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by tepples · · Score: 1

      Smartphones are computers with cellular radios.

      Does a general-purpose computer require all of its applications to have been approved by the computer's manufacturer?

      The phone functionality is just another app.

      And a smartphone-sized computer without phone functionality is called a PDA. So why can't I buy a PDA anymore without it having other severe disadvantages? These may include complete unavailability in my country (Samsung Galaxy Player/Galaxy S Wifi) or lack of multitouch and lack of access to applications exclusive to the platform's primary market (Archos 43 Internet Tablet).

    10. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Terrasque · · Score: 2

      I love my Android phone. But it is a communications device. It is not a computer.

      I think you're a bit off there. At least, for me, its an information device.
      It gathers, stores, shows, and send out information. The communication part is just a subset of that.

      If I see something funny or interesting, I take a picture or a video of it. If I think of something, I can save the idea in via audio, text and/or drawings. If i'm on a trip, I store all travel documents, with all the needed references on the phone, and it also shows me where I should drive to get there, and remembers where my hotel is. I read books on it, listen to music, watch movies, play games, read the latest news, get weather forecasts, read / create barcodes (nice way of sending data to another device, actually), I have google authenticator on it, Rift authenticator, my calendars, calculator, clock/alarm/timer, public transportation routes, password safe, programming language references....

      And then you have communication tasks in addition to that.. Yes, it's a lot of stuff in that small phone, and I do worry what will happen if it get lost / stolen. I have some precautions, but they can be defeated.

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    11. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Now a smartphone is a "computer"? In the sense of "general-purpose computing device" it most certainly is not. And neither is a fucking tablet.

      Except that it is. My Samsung Galaxy S2 is s dual core and held personal computing device that also has the ability to make phone calls.

    12. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Smartphones are computers with cellular radios.

      Does a general-purpose computer require all of its applications to have been approved by the computer's manufacturer?

      Does a smartphone?

      (Not mine).

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    13. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really? apple destroyed the freedom of its customers who willingly chose to buy and use their products. yeah man, apple is pretty evil doing that. if only those people were able to just buy a different product, they would be free and happy.

    14. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello wikipedia, how are you doing today, and what is a computer?

      >A computer is a programmable machine designed to sequentially and automatically carry out a sequence of arithmetic or logical operations. The particular sequence of operations can be changed readily, allowing the computer to solve more than one kind of problem.
      >Conventionally a computer consists of some form of memory for data storage, at least one element that carries out arithmetic and logic operations, and a sequencing and control element that can change the order of operations based on the information that is stored. Peripheral devices allow information to be entered from an external source, and allow the results of operations to be sent out.

      Oh, looks like a smartphone is a computer.

    15. Re:FUCK MUDDLEHEAD APPLEMARKETNEWSPEAK by narcc · · Score: 1

      In 5 years, most mobile phones will use touchscreens. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

      Obvious? Hell, I thought that in 5 years it would be obvious to everyone how awful the touchscreen-only interface actually is.

      Seriously, it's absolute misery. The few benefits it offers are FAR outweighed by the drawbacks -- everything from typing (swipe? get real) to something as simple as re-positioning the text-cursor. Maybe with a hybrid resistive/capacitive screen (so you could use a stylus) it may be less horrid, but it'll still be a nightmare to type, as it is now.

      There's a reason we're seeing so many new phones with physical keyboards, you know. The Droid Pro is almost usable, but it is in desperate need of an optical trackpad if you plan to use it for more than basic text-entry.

  11. What a man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Now, don't get me wrong — I carry an iPad and an iPod Touch in my backpack and love touchscreens ..."

    Brilliant. Simply fabulous.

  12. my pocket... by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

    I have an iPhone and it fits ok into my pockets, and I wear regular pants, not some hiphop pants with pockets so large that you may carry few pounds of potatoes inside. And a Big Mac. And still there is room for more.

  13. Low prices? by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 1

    The summary mentions ultra-low prices from the likes of Samsung. What, exactly, does this mean? What counts as an ultra-low price?

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    1. Re:Low prices? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 1

      Think of a low price. Now lower it. That's muthafarking ultra-low. That's so low you gotta be a world class limbo champion to slide your way under there. Ultra-low, biatches.

    2. Re:Low prices? by dwightk · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Infra-low prices be better?

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  14. ironically, the HP touchpad has that by Chirs · · Score: 1

    The HP touchpad has an inductive charger that doubles as an adjustable-angle stand. It also has a bluetooth keyboard. As for storage, just use a NAS over the wireless link.

  15. trend also expected in the west, w/ bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a commonly known fact inside the industry that smartphones will take over a large faction of what people used to use desktops for, because they will be powerful enough to do so.

    At this point a bunch of slashdotters typically hyperventilate and point out the lack of keyboard etc. But bluetooth lets wireless keyboards talk to the phone for those times you need one, and when you don't, the whole device fits in your pocket. The same portable gadget becomes BOTH your mobile device and your desktop-replacement. It'll even talk wirelessly to full sized monitors for when you need one. That is very much the developmental direction.

    And this is a good future: it means no more microsoft, for one thing. It also gets rid of the huge power hungry noisy beige box we used to all have under our desks. It's more of a Star Trek future, and we'll see it inside a decade, judging by tech company roadmaps I've seen.

    1. Re:trend also expected in the west, w/ bluetooth by Jon_S · · Score: 1

      It's a commonly known fact inside the industry that smartphones will take over a large faction of what people used to use desktops for, because they will be powerful enough to do so.

      Not for me and for many others. This whole discussion is missing a very important element. When I buy a non-phone computer, I buy the computer. That's it. But when (if) I buy a smartphone, I have to keep shelling out $30 to $50 a month forever because they won't sell them without signing up for a data package.

      Sure I have to pay $30/mo. for my DSL line for "regular" computer(s), but that is for one line, and I can attach as many computers, media devices, whatever to it as I want.

      Until the phone companies go back to offering a pay-per-megabyte option (even if it is rediculously expensive; who cares - I'll just use wifi), no smartphone for me.

  16. Really usable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Using a smartphone as a computer is like using a hairdryer for cooking chicken. Computers are bigger, faster, more comfortable and prevent humans from becoming single-fingered nearsighted beings. Smartphones are OK for going here and there and for telling your wife you are in a traffic jam or to find out where the hell is the restaurant you are trying to locate. But at home, it is ridiculous to be seated in the sofa, with a crazy finger doing useless work (ergo, writing to social networks, watching youtube videos and other stuff).
    Try writing your PhD thesis on a Smartphone or tablet. Or try playing games in a smartphone and compare the experience to using a computer. Or even try to compare watching youtube videos on one device and on the other. Anyway, smartphones are good for what they were designed for but computers are still the best choice for doing high-level stuff.

    1. Re:Really usable? by Geeky · · Score: 1

      On the sofa I use a tablet, as I'm just casually browsing while watching TV, or showing someone some photos. It's fine for that, and I don't need a real keyboard.

      That's enough for many people I know. Relatively few are power users who need more, unless they're serious gamers. For me, the main reason I still keep a real PC is for photo editing.

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    2. Re:Really usable? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Judging from some of the posts I've seen on Slashdot, they already are single-fingered, nearsighted beings.

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  17. Re:OLPC? How about OSPPC? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
    Almost there:
    http://blog.gadgethelpline.com/80-google-android-handset-sells-big-africa-huawei-ideos/

    $80 Google Android handset sells big in Africa – Huawei Ideos
    Chinese phone manufacturers Huawei who specialise in budget white label handsets seem to have hit the correct market in Africa as its Huawei Ideos budget smartphone has taken off in Kenya bringing a huge jump in Android sales to the country.

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  18. Phone to fit the pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    `(...) but I still like a phone that fits in my pocket'

    Perhaps it's time they started designing pockets for smartphones rather than the other way around?

    After all, piece of clothing is easily 1/10 to 1/100 the price of a smartphone.

    1. Re:Phone to fit the pocket? by lxs · · Score: 1

      An acceptable smartphone is around €400. I don't know where Anonymous shops, but I wouldn't seen dead in €4,- pants. Finding a decent pair for €40,- is a real bargain.

  19. No room for a smartphone in my pockets by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

    I already have a portable calculus and a chequebook taking up all the space.

    Once I fell over and the calculus broke and stuck into my leg. The chequebook came in handy then because I don't have health insurance.

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    1. Re:No room for a smartphone in my pockets by catmistake · · Score: 1
    2. Re:No room for a smartphone in my pockets by camperdave · · Score: 1

      An abacus is simply a bunch of calculi threaded on wires strung across a frame. Either way, a broken calculus is likely to have a sharp edge.

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  20. HTC Aria/Liberty/Intruder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever the model of HTC happens to be called in your country, the Aria/Liberty/Intruder definitely fits in my pocket. It is actually smaller than my old Nokia dumbphone.

  21. I have a smart phone which fits in my pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro (needs a shorter, snappier name) is a pocket sized, keyboard toting, touch screen, Android running, 1GHz powered, dinky smart phone.

    1. Re:I have a smart phone which fits in my pocket by initialE · · Score: 1

      Feel for you man. I bought a sony once too. Worst decision I ever made.

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  22. Small pockets? by AC-x · · Score: 1

    I can't say I've ever had any trouble fitting even relatively big smart phones (Nexus S) into my pocket, but perhaps OP would like to take a look at the Xperia Mini?

    1. Re:Small pockets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what else do you put in your pocket along with the smartphone?
      My pants have two front pockets; I put my keys in one, and wallet & phone in the other. I'd rather not put any of those items in my back pockets.
      My current phone is a skinny dumb phone that fits next to (to the right of) my wallet. Smartphones seem like they're too wide to fit that way.
      This is actually the main reason I haven't bought a smartphone yet.

  23. Re:97% of smartphones are expected to use touchscr by AC-x · · Score: 1

    I'm sure in the future, as there is now, there will be smartphones with touch-screens and built in keyboards.

    Would you honestly prefer having to cursor through all the apps on your smartphone instead of using a touchscreen?

  24. Run the compiler on the device by tepples · · Score: 1

    "or here's one" -- You cut off the rest of the sentence: "or here's one - does anyone code android apps using only an android touchscreen device?" Coding on a device requires more than a Bluetooth keyboard; it also requires the ability to run the compiler on the device.

    1. Re:Run the compiler on the device by moonbender · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you can run GCC on Android. Developing would still be a pretty hellish experience, though, even with a wireless keyboard and a display.

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    2. Re:Run the compiler on the device by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      You don't have gcc on your phone? Why on earth not?

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    3. Re:Run the compiler on the device by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You don't have gcc on your phone? Why on earth not?

      Um, because no one in their right mind would choose a phone to develop and compile software on?

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  25. Let the certificate expire and by tepples · · Score: 1

    however there is a bit of a barrier to entry on the iphone & windows phone (you need a mac and whatever apple's ide is called or a windows pc and a free copy of visual studio)

    The barrier to entry is not only that but also a $99 per year certificate. Let that expire and all your homemade apps disappear.

    1. Re:Let the certificate expire and by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      Everyone keeps telling me Apple is a very innovative company. From what you say, it sounds like Apple innovated a new kind of paywall. Guess those people were right after all.

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  26. Android is not a dictatorship by tepples · · Score: 1

    Dictatorship: You have a pre-made "app-store" which only lists programmes which went through some sort of censorship process. There is typically only one to choose from and typically you have no way to influence the rules or decisions. This is the way it's now typically done on newer smartphones, for example on iOS/Blackberry/WP7/Android.

    All Android phones with Android Market have adb install, which lets the user install apps outside of Android Market over a USB cable. Almost all also have "Unknown sources", which lets the user install additional app stores. Even AT&T phones nowadays allow this.

    Communism: (in the sense of community) You have list of recommended programs which can be easily installed.

    I take it you're referring to the process used by GNU/Linux distributions' repositories. But the criteria for those tend to include being licensed as free software and free cultural works, which typically means no high-production-value video games and no tax return preparation software.

    1. Re:Android is not a dictatorship by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      I take it you're referring to the process used by GNU/Linux distributions' repositories. But the criteria for those tend to include being licensed as free software and free cultural works, which typically means no high-production-value video games and no tax return preparation software.

      No, not really. There is no reason why commercial software cannot be distributed in a repository. Companies just choose not to do it. The Canonical partner repository is in fact intended for this purpose. It would be difficult to mix free and commercial software together in the same repository, simply because of the mechanics of how repositories work. Having multiple repositories seems like a fine solution, though.

    2. Re:Android is not a dictatorship by tepples · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was just pointing out that most examples of your "communism" lack such partner repositories. But wouldn't that make it a mix of communism and capitalism, like the PRC?

    3. Re:Android is not a dictatorship by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      No, he was referring to the method by which software is distributed, not to the economics of it. An app store store is a dictatorship because it is controlled by someone--a device vendor--and you have no say in it, and you have to get your software there. Anyone who wants to distribute software through the app store has to pass an approval process and usually pay some kind of fee or percentage of their revenue. If they are disapproved or banned by some means, tough shit because there usually isn't any kind of appeal process. A linux repository is more like communism because it is controlled by a group of people who more or less volunteer their time to maintain it. You can choose to be a part of that community or not, and you can leave it and go somewhere else whenever you want. So a company can choose to distribute their software through a community-run ("communism") repository. It's true, there aren't many example of it right now. But then there weren't many examples of commercial software on linux a few years ago, and there are many more now. The landscape is ever changing....

  27. Where are 12" tablets? by tepples · · Score: 1

    I know you can just plug in a keyboard/mouse combo to a tablet, but that feels like a poor hack of a laptop

    Unless the keyboard is built just for the tablet, as in the case of the Eee Pad Transformer.

    and besides I want a 12" screen minimum.

    A 12" tablet may not fit in the kind of bag where a tablet is carried.

    1. Re:Where are 12" tablets? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      The problem is that most hybrids like the Transformer still seem tablets with some laptop features.

      My usage patterns would be very different: most of the time I need a laptop running Debian, and occasional (maybe 20% of the time), I want to read some document or watch some video without having to carry the keyboard around.

      That's why I want a 12" - I'm not comfortable with working for extended periods of time on anything smaller. Portability is less important than that.

    2. Re:Where are 12" tablets? by tepples · · Score: 1

      most hybrids like the Transformer still seem tablets with some laptop features.

      The only way you can detach the keyboard is if the CPU, RAM, and mass storage are in the monitor half of the clamshell. This means you're building a tablet.

      most of the time I need a laptop running Debian [...] I want a 12" - I'm not comfortable with working for extended periods of time on anything smaller.

      Then you might want to consider something like this 12" ASUS Eee Slate with a keyboard dock. Yes, I agree that it's overpriced compared to budget 12" laptops, but apparently there aren't enough people like you to make high-volume production of such a product profitable.

    3. Re:Where are 12" tablets? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A 12" tablet may not fit in the kind of bag where a tablet is carried.

      Then you fit it into the kind of bag where a small laptop is carried.

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  28. It takes a $99 per year subscription by tepples · · Score: 1

    An iPhone or iPad is not a general-purpose computer in the same way that a video game console is not a general-purpose computer: it won't run homemade software or any other software obtained outside a centrally censored source. It takes a $99 per year subscription to the iOS developer program to turn an iPhone or iPad into a general-purpose computer.

  29. iOS != general-purpose by tepples · · Score: 1

    The fact that I can run Frodo, DosBox, and UAE on them

    ...applies only to Android. Tablets that run Android are general-purpose; tablets that run iOS are not.

    1. Re:iOS != general-purpose by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "...applies only to Android."

      No, it doesn't.

    2. Re:iOS != general-purpose by tepples · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't.

      That doesn't give me a lot to go on. Which popular smartphone platform other than Android "can run Frodo, DosBox, and UAE", as Belial6 mentioned, without a jailbreak?

    3. Re:iOS != general-purpose by narcc · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe not those specific applications (because they haven't been ported, possibly dosbox) but you can run whatever you want on a Blackberry without "jailbreaking" or "rooting" as Apple and Android users are forced to do.

      Drop the file on an SD card, download it through the browser, or even write a program directly on the hand-set. The choice is yours.

      It even multi-tasks properly, with exceptional battery life.

    4. Re:iOS != general-purpose by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "That doesn't give me a lot to go on. Which popular smartphone platform other than Android "can run Frodo, DosBox, and UAE", as Belial6 mentioned"

      I'm guessing you can use google as well as I can.

      "without a jailbreak?"

      Oh, you're trying to move the goalposts and attribute words that weren't there before. Carry on, then.

    5. Re:iOS != general-purpose by tepples · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're trying to move the goalposts

      Apple moves the goalposts every time it updates iOS with "protection" against the last version's jailbreak.

    6. Re:iOS != general-purpose by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      You seem to have a hard on for Apple for some reason.

    7. Re:iOS != general-purpose by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's not an erection as much as the scope of this sub-discussion. We were discussing tablet and smartphone platforms other than Android. Of such platforms, iOS is by far the most prominent in the United States, and Symbian has near-zero presence.

  30. It IS a general purpose computer! by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    It IS a general purpose computer! Just because the manufacturer/vendor/whatever chooses to lock it down does not suddenly make it a paperweight. Linux on the PS3 ring any bells?

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  31. Smartphones currently fit in your pocket by ShadowFoxx · · Score: 1

    If your chief concern as you posted is smart phone portability for phone connectivity... the current smart phones DO fit in your pocket. I'm pretty sure my iphone 4 fits in all styles of my pockets on all my pants. Smart phones aren't the bulky crackberries of last decade... you should check out your local phone store. If you currently have an ipod touch you should already know this... as an ipod touch is basically the same size as an iphone save for a little depth... and it should fit in your pocket.

  32. Nothing will beat a Nokia 1100, by axonis · · Score: 1

    250 million Nokia 1100's have been sold since its launch in late 2003, making it the world's best selling phone handset as well as the best selling consumer electronics device in the world. Beat that Apple or beat IBM first Stevie ? personally I know nothing is going to beat Winodws on a Nokia as far as phone goes, some things dont change

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  33. The removal of Other OS turned it not-GP by tepples · · Score: 1

    Just because the manufacturer/vendor/whatever chooses to lock it down does not suddenly make it a paperweight.

    I didn't say it was a paperweight. I said it wasn't general-purpose.

    Linux on the PS3 ring any bells?

    The removal of Other OS turned a general-purpose computer into a no-longer-general-purpose computer.

  34. let's talk about words by mapkinase · · Score: 2

    Computer is something that does more than entertaining. Smartphone is not a computer unless you run FOLD@home on it when it's charging at night.

    It can run all the videos, render 3D, play music and rub your back at the same time at 10GHz, but it still won't be a computer.

    Now, a rusty chip in your car that does only one thing: optimizing injection into your carburator - that's a computer.

    Heck, the calculator I had in 1983 has more rights to be called a computer than a smartphone.

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    1. Re:let's talk about words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fact is, what a computer is is changing.
      In the 50's, they were these room sized things with switches and lights and tape. You shared the computer with many others. Networking was a pipe dream.
      In the 60's, they were just as big eating paper tape. Maybe a TTY. Networking was in its infancy.
      In the 70's you saw the Mini and Micro computers emerge. More robust forms of storage became common place such as the floppy disk. Computers became something you could have on every desk at a business. Apple made the microcomputer something anybody could have. Networking was primitive and usually between mainframes.
      In the 80's microcomputers completely took off, mostly as something you hooked up to your TV for consumers and dedicated monitors for businesses. The mini computer died. Car phones were for rich jerks. You dialed in to BBS's.
      The 90's saw the rise of the desktop computer and the death of the TV computer. Most families had a "family computer" in their living room. Mobile computing began to take hold in the form of notebooks. Cell phones were just phones. If you had more than one computer, you wired them together. You dialed in to the internet.
      In the 2000's the laptop began to replace the desktop. The floppy was dead. Cell phones became more and more computer like. And everybody got one! Wires for networking disappeared. The internet was always on and always there.
      So you can see, we've come far from a computer being lights and switches that hundreds would use to something that sits on your lap (or your pocket) and you alone use. I don't go complaining that an iPhone isn't a computer because it doesn't accept punch tape.

    2. Re:let's talk about words by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      I prefer the following definition: a computer is anything you can compile and run your own code on. The relevant questions are whether the OS allows you to, and how much difficulty is involved in replacing it.

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    3. Re:let's talk about words by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      What do you have against "a rusty chip in your car"?

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    4. Re:let's talk about words by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing. But it's just a rusty chip in my car - it can only do what it was designed to do. Would you consider a single logic gate a computer? What about a (non-programmable) calculator?

      You differentiate on whether or not it does something more than entertainment. But entertainment is subjective. Furthermore, the concept of being entertaining is entirely unrelated to whether or not it is a computer - a calculator is neither entertaining nor a computer. Similarly, a PC built and used solely for gaming, or one of the WOW servers, is both entertaining and a computer.

      Here's the definition from the Oxford dictionary:

      an electronic device which is capable of receiving information (data) in a particular form and of performing a sequence of operations in accordance with a predetermined but variable set of procedural instructions (program) to produce a result in the form of information or signals.
      (emphasis added)

      If you can't program it, then it's not a computer. Most smart phones are closed computers - they could let you compile and run your own code, but the OS won't let you.

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    5. Re:let's talk about words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer will be usless in the next cople of years just watch

  35. a smartphone is a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can probably do 90% of what I need to do on my smartphone. It does email and browsing; it can so ssh when you add an app for that. I usually don't because the screen size and lack of keyboard are limiting. Add a screen via hdmi/wireless and a keyboard via bluetooth and you have a computer fast enough for most people. Add Cisco VPN and a screen to my iphone and I literally don't need a laptop at work anymore. I would still want one at home for programming, photo processing and games.

    Most people I know who are not in the IT business only use their computer for email and browsing. A tablet with a bluetooth keyboard is perfect for them. A smartphone with external screen and bluetooth keyboard is even better if you need email/browsing to be extra mobile.

  36. seriously? by Chirs · · Score: 1

    The only thing stopping a smartphone or tablet from running FOLD@home is someone writing the code for it, same as any other computing device.

    An android (or webos, or meego) device is a full Linux system! How can you possibly say it's not a computer? There are calculator emulator apps that run on smartphones...do you see how ludicrous your position is?

    1. Re:seriously? by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Because an Android device is a crippled, incompatible Linux distribution that goes only where Google wants. WebOS went nowhere due to mismanagement, and Google did a great job damaging interest in MeeGo.

      Smartphones are the new console, and the push by the majors is to keep them that way while console-izing tablets and standard PCs.

    2. Re:seriously? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      "ludicrous" it's subjective. As I said: this is a subjective perception of me and rather large group of people who worked with computers before phones started to be called computers.

      It's not about computing power, it's about usage. If it is used for "computing" (historically something practically useful) then it's a computer. If it is used for "communication", it's "communication device", "phone", etc. if it is used for watching videos, playing games and listening to music - it's an "entertainment center"

      To be called a computer is an honor for a device, let's do not offend my Linux cluster by trivializing this noble title.

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  37. Developing countries by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    You mean the ones we piss billions of dollars away on aid cause they cant even grow their own food, or we are fighting for their human rights can afford expensive ass smartphones and their data plans?

    must be nice

  38. Tricorder! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is my Tricorder!? enough with all these boring phone features! This thing should already do most of what a multimetter, weather measurement system, scanner device and x-ray machine.! Thos are the features I want. Yourface and tiwt are apps are already on the phone, Make a phone call!

  39. Re:97% of smartphones are expected to use touchscr by narcc · · Score: 1

    Well said. Touchscreens are practically useless outside of clicking over-sized buttons and gross ape-like gestures.

    For precision work, like re-positioning the text-cursor or clicking small targets, you really need something like an optical trackpad. With a touchscreen-only interface, such a simple and common task is extremely frustrating. (No, zooming in isn't an option. That completely defeats the purpose of having a larger screen.)

    As for typing, no matter how awesome you think swipe is, it still can't compare to a physical keyboard either in precision or speed. Anything beyond sending a text or updating your facebook status and it's a huge chore.

    The new Blackberry Bold 9900 is the best of both worlds, offering a touchscreen, full keyboard, and can't-live-without optical trackpad. Other smartphone manufactures would do well to copy this design. It's fantastic for productivity.

  40. Case with belt clip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I wear normal, regular fit Levi 501s then anything in the pockets gets bent when I sit down. These days I have to wear pants with pockets in the legs to carry all my gadget stuff ("cargo pants" in the USA). The only other choice is to carry a little handbag with me (but that's not happening).

    Or perhaps a case with a belt clip. These work with the waste bands of jeans too, a belt is not necessarily required.

  41. I wasn't aware of NDK for BlackBerry by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, I thought BlackBerry devices could only run applications written in Java or otherwise compiled to JVM bytecode (some models) or AIR applications (other models). When did RIM release an NDK? Or when did Frodo, DOSBox, and UAE get ported to Java or AIR? For another, you don't need to "root" an Android device to install APKs; any device with Android Market has adb install, and the vast majority of them have "Unknown sources".

    1. Re:I wasn't aware of NDK for BlackBerry by narcc · · Score: 1

      You're not a big reader are you? Let me quote my post:

      not those specific applications

  42. It happens in America too by vaporland · · Score: 2

    A company you never heard of does web apps for government. In a meeting recently with some folks who administer public health for the disadvantaged, the company was told that increasing numbers of their public assistance clients are using smartphones exclusively for Internet access because a monthly mobile package is cheaper than a laptop / desktop and broadband Internet.

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  43. and your point would be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm guessing that you are at the center of the universe

  44. Docks by happyfeet2000 · · Score: 1

    In the future there will be docking stations everywhere, and you'll be able to plug your smartphone with all your work/entertainment/educative environment into any one of them.