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Pledge Asks Chinese Hackers To Reject Cybertheft

Posted by Soulskill on from the honor-among-cyberthieves dept.

angry tapir writes "Two prominent Chinese hackers have released a convention calling for the rejection of cybertheft and are asking their peers to support it, as China is increasingly seen as the source of international hacking attacks. The two hackers, Gong Wei and Wan Tao, released their 'Hackers' Self-Discipline Convention' to the Chinese media and posted its contents on the Internet. The hackers declined to offer further comment, but the document presents itself as a moral code that outlines appropriate hacking activities. The document states that hackers will not obtain money through stealing from the public. Hacking groups will also not spread knowledge or tools that are meant to take income. 'The public's privacy, especially that of children and minors, will be protected,' the document says. Any activity to buy or sell people's private information is considered inappropriate."

48 comments

  1. They will now be executioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will now be executioned

    1. Re:They will now be executioned by Mike+Hock · · Score: 0

      Good luck getting the cockroach culture to learn something other than greed. They are a despicable race.

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    2. Re:They will now be executioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL UMAD?

  2. That way they will have more time to hack by assemblerex · · Score: 1

    American infrastructure instead.

    1. Re:That way they will have more time to hack by slick7 · · Score: 1

      American infrastructure instead.

      Think of all the Chinese children that out-number every man, woman and child in the Corporate States of America. It's their patriotic duty! If the Chinese don't win, the terrorists do. Yada yada yada blah blah blah.

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  3. white hat vs black hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like someone's finally made the distinction between "white hat" and "black hat" hackers.

    Amazing! Why couldn't anyone have come up with this idea before?

    1. Re:white hat vs black hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought the chinese wore conical straw hats

    2. Re:white hat vs black hat by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 4, Funny

      They paint them.

  4. original article is in chinese by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2

    lacking a better translation, here is one from Google:
    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chowngroup.com%2Fconvention.html

  5. oh great more chinese white hat wanabe it workers by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    this is like the n:th re-incarnation of such pledgers.
    it's just common sense 1-2-3 - except with the viewpoint that they, as "hackers", are the new gods. fuck 'em, it's just chinese propaganda from another angle.
    and that moral code of theirs is lacking, as it can be twisted to ban modchip creation etc(it takes income from game sellers).

    (it's also a pledge to get away from being prosecuted for some what seems pretty minor defaces)

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  6. Is a Thieve's Cant coming next? by Snotman · · Score: 1

    err, I mean Hacker's Cant.

    C'mon, treaspassing is illegal. So, these guys are hackers with a conscience. Oh boy! I can appreciate the value that hacking can bring, but it should always be at the behest of those who own the property that will be hacked. Otherwise, hacking is criminal. If you are going to be a criminal, then this agreement is a handicap. A prosecutor is not going to do a litmus test to see whether you are a unconscionable or ethical hacker. I wonder if they will have a Thieve's Cant. The only way this code means anything is if it can be enforced. Are we going to see hacker wars as the good fight the bad?

    1. Re:Is a Thieve's Cant coming next? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Are we going to see hacker wars as the good fight the bad?

      twitter is already full of that shit. you know, security experts shooting their mouths off and others replying. the white hats mostly come off as guys who want some federal cyber-terrorism-protection money, though, and the black hats who reply aren't real malicious black hats.

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  7. Good luck with that by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    White hat hackers will sign it and stay good.
    Black hat hackers will sign it and stay evil, with the benefit of appearing good.
    Perhaps the chinese should re-introduce the evil bit.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Black hat hackers will sign it and stay evil, with the benefit of appearing good.

      Uh no. Only dumbasses of any hat color will sign it. Getting put on a registered list of hackers? Only a total moron would do this intentionally.

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  8. Words "prominent" and "hacker" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should never go together.

  9. Pay no attention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    ...to the men behind the curtain," said the Chinese government on Saturday, continuing by saying, "See? These two we found, like other good Chinese Citizens, say you shouldn't do bad things!". The finished by saying "Clearly, all Chinese Hackers will follow this example.". Attempts to get interviews with the two hackers were met with silence. Additionally, interviews with members of the hacking scene report that no one had ever heard of them before, and they expect they never will again.

  10. This is a good thing by satuon · · Score: 2

    Inasmuch as it shows that there are ethical people in China. We need reminding that good people can be found in China - not all of them are evil, which is the impression you get from news.

    1. Re:This is a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your sinophobia is showing....

    2. Re:This is a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

      Yeah right son, go to China and demand your rights to free health care and education all on the Chinese dollar, then see how good they treat you.

    3. Re:This is a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed! Of course it will have no real impact but it's nice to hear! Am i gonna take my country block off of cn IP addresses though? Not in a million years! haha

    4. Re:This is a good thing by Mike+Hock · · Score: -1

      BULLSHIT.. That country/culture is soul less and corrupt. We should use our nuclear fire to cleanse the world of them.

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    5. Re:This is a good thing by CodeBuster · · Score: 0

      good people can be found in China - not all of them are evil

      Good or not they're competitors and rivals; we shouldn't fail to treat them as such.

    6. Re:This is a good thing by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Inasmuch as it shows that there are ethical people in China. We need reminding that good people can be found in China - not all of them are evil, which is the impression you get from news.

      A smart man once said that the Russians love their children too.

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    7. Re:This is a good thing by slashdime · · Score: 2

      Inasmuch as it shows that there are ethical people in China. We need reminding that good people can be found in China - not all of them are evil, which is the impression you get from news.

      If you need reminding that there are good [insert class/culture/race/country here] people, what you need is not rely on the "impression you get from news" and do your own fucking research. Stop being good "sheeple".

    8. Re:This is a good thing by cavreader · · Score: 3, Informative

      I found my trip to China very enlightening when it came to interacting with the actual citizens. The people I encountered during my 3 week stay were friendly and showed no disdain or animosity towards me even when they found out I was from the US. Granted there are billions of Chinese citizens so my experiences do not carry much weight but I enjoyed the visit. I encountered the exact opposite experience when I was in France, England, and Germany. The people I met there were quite eager to point out all of the US faults. Once I explained I wasn't the one running things in the US and kindly told them to shut the fuck up before I demonstrated the stereotypical American propensity towards using violence to settle any disagreements they seemed to warm up considerably.

    9. Re:This is a good thing by Mike+Hock · · Score: -1

      You are right. Your opinion counts for very little. thanks for the anecdotal garbage americunt

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    10. Re:This is a good thing by TranceThrust · · Score: 1

      What the hell kind of news are you watching then?

    11. Re:This is a good thing by Calydor · · Score: 1

      And yet get that in America?

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    12. Re:This is a good thing by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Inasmuch as it shows that there are ethical people in China. We need reminding that good people can be found in China - not all of them are evil, which is the impression you get from news.

      A smart man once said that the Russians love their children too.

      So do gangsters. What's your point?

      How you behave towards people that are not part of your immediate circle is more telling.

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    13. Re:This is a good thing by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      So do gangsters. What's your point?

      That even gangsters are human too.

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  11. Why were these stories rejected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Restarting a grand old tradition.

    Why were these stories rejected

    2000-06-28 03:09:37 Hemos And Signal 11 Are Fags! (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-06-28 16:44:32 Rob Malda Is Gay! (articles,news) (rejected)
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    2000-06-29 03:10:29 Rob Malda Caught Sucking Off Bruce Perens (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-06-29 05:22:24 Slashdot Is A Pile Of Shit (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-06-29 05:27:59 ESR And RMS Gangbang Hemos And Taco! (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-07-17 10:19:41 You Are Gay (articles,news) (rejected)
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    2000-08-04 11:16:53 Rob Malda & ESR: First Gay Geek Marriage? (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 11:23:27 Katz Drinks 1 Gallon Of Semen A Day (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 11:28:45 Emmett Gives Rimjobs To The Entire FSF! (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 11:37:51 Anal Warts Have Slashdot Staff In Health Worry (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 11:48:53 Canker Sore Halts Rob's Cocksucking Habits (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 12:02:58 Fractured Penis Ends ESR Reaming RMS! (articles,news) (rejected)
    2000-08-04 12:07:59 Slashdot To Sponsor Gay Games 2000 (articles,news) (rejected)
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    2000-08-10 20:28:04 Malda's Rectum? Nearly Killed'im! (articles,news) (rejected)
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    2000-08-10 20:39:29 Roblimo Glunks All Over Taco's Face; Taco Smiles (articles,news)
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    2000-08-15 16:06:40 ESR Transmits Herpes To RMS; FSF Declares War On Open Source (articles,news) (rejected)
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    1. Re:Why were these stories rejected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

  12. That's just the old-school ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is good that someone is pushing it for the Chinese, and who knows, maybe some kids will notice there is still a line (fuzzy that it might be) that separates those who are simply criminals from those who do it for an ideology that is more deep than "for the lulz" or simply "to make me some easy money".

    Whatever.

    1. Re:That's just the old-school ethics by slashdotresearch_mj · · Score: 1

      It sounds like this is a topic you have some interest in? Would you say that this qualifies as "hacktivism"? That's the word I see most often used for this type of situation anyway. Just a research nerd wanting to pick your brain for research.

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    2. Re:That's just the old-school ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old-school ethics allow for hacktivism, yes. And the Chinese are big on it. But the main thing is that you must not be a lamer, and you must not cause undue damage (sloppiness is the mark of the lamer). Being a hacktivist does not shield you from lamerness, in fact, you can easily find yourself in the 7th hell.

      To an old-schooler, hiding behind hacktivism or an ideology just to pillage makes you a lamer of the worst sort.

      As for undue damage, shutting down the city traffic lights and causing car accidents would make you an idiot lamer that needs to be culled. Being able to mess with the traffic lights, and doing it to a few of them just to prove you can would be very old-school OTOH. That's it.

      Hmm, ah, and tools are lamers and will always be lamers. Are you a tool?

  13. Somewhat sad, I say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Long ago, "hacking" was a synonym to ethical acting.

    One used the word "hack" as a self-humbling designation; a way to dimnish one own's virtues to avoid being called a genius -- instead claiming to have achieved things thru hard work.

    Alas, today big corps and media tycoons have successfully qualified inquisitive people as criminals; no wonder there's a "first to file" patent method: being creative now is getting to the USPTO first.

    Anyway, my point is being humble didn't come alone, there was a lot of Ethics hackers used to have. Do people really need a script on how to act decently?

    More importantly, will it help? Should it be enforced? You know, being forced to be honest is not the same as being honest voluntarily...

  14. they should pledge not to make crappy plastic shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should pledge not to make crappy plastic shit (while trying very poorly to rip off the design).

    That would get them sweating.

    Chinese me: All right, I pledge I will not produce any more crappy plastic sh-- wait a minute not produce ANY more??? Um... Yeah, okay, you can have my "pledge".... I'll send it in the mail -- sends them a beautiful cast-iron plaque : "I will not produce plastic crap." Well...it's cast-iron coated...

  15. Cyber theft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that? Copping a feel online?

    The "cyber" thing really needs to be dropped.

  16. Pledge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this kinda like the abstinence pledge?

  17. summary correction by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    China is increasingly seen as the source of international hacking attacks

    correction: China is increasingly caught as the source of international hacking attacks

    China is stepping up the the attacks but only more recently have they been repeatedly caught and "called out" on it on an international level.

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  18. All done! by mwfischer · · Score: 1

    I signed up and did all of that even though I'm not a Chinese hacker.

    Someone sent me an official looking email and all I had to do was put my WoW user name and password in it. It didn't let me log in the first couple times so I entered it in a few more times for consistency.

    1. Re:All done! by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 0

      Mod parent funny!

  19. China is increasingly seen as the source? by microphage · · Score: 1

    "China is increasingly seen as the source of international hacking attacks"

    We should ask ourselves who also is top of the State Departments shitlist, is there a correlation?

    1. Re:China is increasingly seen as the source? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      "China is increasingly seen as the source of international hacking attacks" We should ask ourselves who also is top of the State Departments shitlist, is there a correlation?

      Also ask yourself what address ranges most of the port scans in your firewall logs are coming from. You might get a better idea of what's going than trying to infer cause and effect.

      I get some from India too, now and then (and just about everywhere else for that matter) but China does top the list. Whether all those hits are actually from Chinese crackers, or from people in other countries masking their origins I couldn't say.

      I had one character from an Indian IP spend about four days trying to get into my FTP server: hundreds of attempts at guessing the password to the username "admin". It looked like he was typing everything manually, and he was very creative. Not his fault that I don't actually have an "admin" account, or even anything particularly valuable there anyway. Maybe he thought I work for the NSA or something.

      Oh well.

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  20. Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is like pedophiles pledging to restrict their attentions only to children who want it.

    1. Re:Think of the children! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      This is like pedophiles pledging to restrict their attentions only to children who want it.

      Good analogy. Try again using a car.

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  21. Honour among thieves by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    If you manage to convince people that you're a (relatively) good guy who is outside the law, then you can become classed as a rebel with a cause. Such people are often seen as heroes (like Robin Hood). If you pull that off, then you might get off the hook while getting others to be chased instead.

  22. Wont Happen ... Move Along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asking the Chinese peoples to reject cybertheft is as useless as asking Philadephian peoples to stop butt fucking their dogs.

    They just will not stop.