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White House Proposes "Wealthy Tax"

President Obama is proposing a new tax rate for people making over $1m a year. The new rate is part of a larger plan which seeks to bring in $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue and is sure to meet opposition in congress. From the article: "The core of the president's plan totals just more than $2 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. It combines the new taxes with $580 billion in cuts to mandatory benefit programs, including $248 billion from Medicare." GOP Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin said, "Class warfare may make for really good politics but it makes for rotten economics."

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  1. Ryan is ignorant of economic history by dr2chase · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember how awful the economy was when Clinton was president? Eight horrible years of peace and prosperity, thank God that's long gone.
    Going back as far as 1950, higher top marginal rates are (weakly) correlated with improved economic growth, not reduced economic growth ( http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/002279.html ).

  2. Re:Tax planning and rich people by skids · · Score: 4, Informative

    This smells like more class warfare shit.

    The only class waging war in this country on other classes is the rich.

  3. Re:Tax planning and rich people by AmElder · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I didn't take economics in Junior High, my High School course taught me that the supply of most goods is not perfectly price elastic. It taught me that in theory taxes are only partially passed on to the consumer except in cases of perfect price elasticity. It taught me that in theory, except in cases of perfect price inelasticity of supply, higher taxes on businesses will result in higher prices and fewer goods being sold in that market. Apparently this concept is called tax incidence, though I don't remember that from High School. It also taught me that a tax on individuals is not the same as the tax on corporations. Therefore, based on what I learned many years ago in high school economics, in the case you're talking about, which has very little to do with the proposed tax on individuals, it's true that the consumer bears some of the burden of those taxes. However, it's also true that corporations do in fact pay taxes. That is, ceteris paribus, assuming things like that they don't totally avoid the taxes by using loopholes.

  4. Reflections of Paul Ryan's Notion of Class Warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Number of households in the United States filing tax returns: 140,494,127

    Number of households in the United States filing tax returns with incomes of $1,000,000 or more: 236,883

    Percentage of households in the United States filing tax returns with incomes of $1,000,000 or more: 0.19959471529%

    Percentage of households in the United States filling tax returns with incomes of less than $1,000,000: 99.80040528471%

    Number of people in the US living at or below the poverty line in 2001: 34,570,000

    Number of people in the US living at or below the poverty line in 2010: 46,200,000

    Percentage of US population living at or below the poverty line in 2001: 12.1%

    Percentage of US population living at or below the poverty line in 2010: 15.1%

    Of those living at or below the poverty line in 2010, the percentage that are 18 years old or younger: 35.5%

    Of those living at or below the poverty line in 2010, the number that are 18 years old or younger: 16,401,000

    Total number of people living in the United States, as of September 19, 2011: 312,204,000

    Maximum number of people living in the United States who would be affected by President Obama’s proposal to impose a minimum tax rate on those earning more than $1 million a year : 450,000

    Highest possible percentage of people living in the United States who would be affected by President Obama's proposal to impose a minimum tax rate on those earning more than $1 million a year: 0.144136526118%

    Number of people in the United States who would not be affected by this tax increase: 311,754,000

    Lowest possible percentage of people living in the United States who would not be affected by President Obama's proposal to impose a minimum tax rate on those earning more than $1 million a year: 99.855863473882%

    All stats derived by me from Census.gov using 2010 and 2011 census data, and from IRS.gov data using 2009 data, the most recent year for which reporting, especially Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) information, was available.

    The first person to invoke Census.gov or IRS.gov conspiracy theories will receive my 1st Annual Stannous Fedora Trophy. Please reply with your mailing address, so I'll know where to send this very special award.

  5. Re:Tax planning and rich people by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently Obama will propose that people earning more than $1 million a year pay at least the same tax rate as middle-class earners. That's aiming mighty low.
    America's median income is about $50,000. The typical taxpayer at that level pays approximately 20 percent in taxes.
    Granted, that's a higher rate than most of today's super rich pay because of countless deductions, credits, and loopholes -- including, especially, their ability to take their incomes in the form of capital gains, taxed at 15 percent. That's a big reason Buffett's hundreds of millions a year are taxed at just over 17 percent -- a lower rate than his secretary faces, as Buffett often says.
    But a 20 percent rate is still ridiculously low compared to what millionaires and billionaires ought to be paying. Officially, income over $379,150 is supposed to be taxed at 35 percent....

    Robert Reich

    So there you have it. Somehow Obama will end up proposing a tax change that will have the millionaires paying a proportionally equivalent share of income, and the Republicans will scream that this qualifies as "redistribution of wealth", and in the end, Buffet will end up with a massive windfall. Warren's a canny one, I'll grant you that.