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Justification For Canadian Copyright Reform Revealed

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Geist has used the Canadian freedom of information act to obtain a secret ministerial document on Canadian copyright reform that provides the government position on virtually every controversial issue from last year's Bill C-32. The government has no good explanation for its DMCA approach and calls provisions requiring the destruction of course materials part of an 'essential balance.' On the U.S. piracy watch list, it says 'Canada does not recognize the validity of the Special 301 process and considers it to be flawed. The Report does not employ a clear methodology in its country ranking, as it relies on industry allegations rather than empirical evidence and analysis.'"

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  1. Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Canada does not recognize the validity of the Special 301 process and considers it to be flawed. The Report does not employ a clear methodology in its country ranking, as it relies on industry allegations rather than empirical evidence and analysis

    They're really surprised that a U.S. government report is based on corporate whoring rather than empirical evidence and analysis? Wow, Canadians really ARE naive.

    As to the question of why Canada is adopting anti-circumvention measures (and other provisions) similar to the DMCA, well that's an easy one. They're signatories of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty. You remember that one, don't you? That's the treaty that a very tiny handful of people (including myself) were decrying fifteen years ago while everyone else was completely fucking ignoring it and its implications. Yeah, that's the same treaty that the vast majority of you probably still don't even know exists (much less that your country quietly signed it right under the press and public's radar). Not that I'm bitter or anything.

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    1. Re:Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      WIPO Copyright Treaty. You remember that one, don't you?

      I've probably been around here too long, but I think the #1 reason I know about the WIPO treaty (and the organization itself) is because of the famous Slashdot troll of that name.

    2. Re:Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RTFA.

      Bill C-32 goes far beyond what is needed by the WIPO treaty. In fact, C-32 does not even have some exemptions that the DMCA has in it.

    3. Re:Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, it's not all bad, WIPO enforcement is one of the reasons that China's cleaning up its act these days. It's not like the old days with DVD shops and fake software everywhere. I can't even hardly find counterfeits any more.

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    4. Re:Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      They're really surprised that a U.S. government report is based on corporate whoring rather than empirical evidence and analysis? Wow, Canadians really ARE naive.

      Not at all. They're just smart enough not to put "America are dicks regarding copyright. Fuck their legislation!" into a medium where it might be leaked to the press.

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    5. Re:Wow, what a unforseeable shocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They're really surprised that a U.S. government report is based on corporate whoring rather than empirical evidence and analysis? Wow, Canadians really ARE naive."

      We aren't naive. We are too polite to tell the Americans to PFO.

      Where we were naive was signing the WIPO treaty way back in 1996 without public consultation, and before most people had any idea that copyright issues would become so important to the general public. Huge revisions to copyright for the "digital age" before we really understood what "digital age" meant. Dumb. As people have become more familiar with it, we've been naive enough to think that our government has been negotiating copyright law revisions in good faith, and with an honest attempt at balance between creator and user rights. It's become more and more obvious that isn't the case. They're seriously going to introduce Bill C-32 without modification? Time to write my new MP.

      The single most important part of C-32 that should change is the ridiculous idea that circumventing "digital locks" should be illegal even if the action being taken is otherwise legal. That's crazy. Either we have the rights described in copyright law and can legally exercise them, or we don't actually have them. The "anti-circumvention" rules should not trump the other parts of the act, otherwise the whole thing is a farce. Oh, yay, we have new rights for format shifting, but if someone rot13'd the data to encrypt it we would be breaking the new law anyway? They've been told over and over how silly it is (the previous minister was even asked about the inconsistency in a news conference and stuttered his way through an irrelevant answer), but the provision is still there. Idiots.

  2. Owned by davegravy · · Score: 2

    Between this secret document and the wikileaks cables uncovered it's pretty clear that the US owns Canada.

    1. Re:Owned by djmurdoch · · Score: 2

      ...it's pretty clear that the US owns Canada.

      Not all of Canada. Only the Conservative party. Oh yeah, and the Liberal party.

    2. Re:Owned by flaming+error · · Score: 2

      Did you read this "secret document"? I've gone through the first 10 pages (and the article summary) and it sounds eminently reasonable to me so far. I've seen no indication yet that they're doing the US's (actually RIAA/MPAA) bidding.

    3. Re:Owned by djmurdoch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That document contains the planned answers to potential questions before a parliamentary committee. They're designed to hide the truth and sounce reasonable. For example, the answer to the question about non-infringing use on p 10 sounds reasonable, but avoids the question: why can't consumers break TPMs for legal uses of the material?

    4. Re:Owned by djmurdoch · · Score: 2

      The question was about why there should be government enforcement of TPMs, and there was no answer for that. It was just stated that there should be.

    5. Re:Owned by Jmc23 · · Score: 2
      Which makes me long for the days of Chretien. At least he had the balls to go against the whole stupid let's go invade Iraq, you know by pulling our US troops out of the country where Osama is.

      It was the equivalent of

      Bush:'Your either with us or against us'.

      Chretien:'Whatever'

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  3. Shocker... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

    I bet the ease with which a politician justifies policy like this is directly proportional to the amount of money those that benefit most from it give to those politicians so that they can remain politicians.

    Capitalism! Fuck Yeah!

  4. Stern interview.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Years back an ex-porn star running for Gov of California was interviewed by Howard Stern. He said something to the effect of "we don't care what you think, we just want to know how big a c*k you can suck".

    Turns out, that is exactly the right qualification for being a politician.

  5. Yet Cdn Government offcial asked to be 301 list. by guidryp · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1048993--leaks-show-u-s-swayed-canada-on-copyright-bill?bn=1

    A U.S. Embassy cable written in April 2009 describes a meeting between
    Zoe Addington, director of policy for then industry minister Clement,
    and U.S. officials.

    “In contrast to the messages from other Canadian officials, she said
    that if Canada is elevated to the Special 301 Priority Watch List
    (PWL), it would not hamper — and might even help — the (government of
    Canada's) ability to enact copyright legislation,” the cable says.

    Days later, Canada was elevated on the piracy watch list.

  6. I hate our government.... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously. I hate them. They aren't helping copyright by this, they are harming it.

    This bill so effing retarded it's not funny. In particular, the fact that there is no intention whatsoever to allow any exemption to the digital locks provision where the copying is entirely uninfringing is so utterly lacking in even a modest amount of forethought as to wonder how the heck the people who proposed it could even have the mental capacity to have written it down in the first place.

    The implication is that the content producer will determine what type of non-infringing copies might be allowed to be created, but this determination is inherently coupled with the availability of particular technology, and could quickly be rendered entirely obsolete, forcing the consumer into a situation where they face vendor lock-in with a brand that is all but irrelevant in the ever-progressing field of technology.

    Canadians who even know about this bill are going to presume for themselves that the provisions of this bill are unreasonable, and will summarily ignore it, privately or otherwise, as history is more than enough of an example to show that the general public does not indefinitely continue to follow laws that they believe to be unfair. If they did, nobody would ever speed except by accident, and there would still be racial segregation on buses.

    I've written no less than 3 separate letters to our government on this matter, and received exactly one response from the last one which was a form letter highlighting the so-called virtues of this bill, and did not address even a single concern in my actual letter.

    I used to think Canada was a great place to live.... now I'm really not so sure.

    1. Re:I hate our government.... by DarthVain · · Score: 2

      Now that the Conservatives have a majority, its as good as law.

      I'm sure the majority of American's living in the US that didn't vote for Bush were thinking the same thing, when they got elected. Then more so when it happened again.

      A big chunk of the Conservative support are idiots. I know, I've tried to talk to some of them. Sure there a some nutbags in the NDP and Green, but I'd wager the Conservatives have more per capita. (Well the green might have more, but that is mostly due to their such small numbers anyway)

      I had a conversation (argument) with a number of Conservatives who swore up and down that the Conservatives were not "anti-union", that they had done nothing to attribute that title, and that it was all just Liberal propaganda. All 3 of them worked for unions. I tried to stress, that if you are working for a union, and vote Conservative, that not only are you voting contrary to your best interests, that also pretty much makes you an idiot.

      I think recent actions by the Conservatives speak for themselves. Anyway, these people are idiots, and do not want to listen to anything contrary to the ideology that they, for whatever reason, believe in. Which sounds an awful lot like the elected Conservatives themselves, making decisions and policy, not based on fact, science, or even logic, but some ideological BS that someone infected their brains...

      Anyway, what were we talking about again? :) I got my blood up I think.

    2. Re:I hate our government.... by nuckfuts · · Score: 2

      So then no matter who I vote for, I'll be voting against my interests in some way?

      Who is the idiot here?

      You are the idiot if you can't see the difference between a party that doesn't align perfectly with every one of your interests and a party with a predominant agenda to actively f*ck you over.

  7. Mixed Feelings by Exit_On_Right · · Score: 2

    I have mixed feelings about this Bill. On one hand, parts of the Bill seem very reasonable. For example, reducing the maximum penalty for infringement and going after the enablers both seem like sensible approaches. Extensions to education for fair dealing also seems reasonable. The less reasonable parts obviously include not being able to make a video library from what you record from TV, and not being able to bypass digital locks for media transfers. On its face, those parts of the Bill seem ludicrous and clearly influenced by US policies and lobbyists. Deeper down, I suspect the former is rooted in how copyright law works (you must aggressively pursue all forms / violators of piracy or you may lose your ability to protect the work in the future), and the latter allows the government to prosecute people directly for breaking digital locks rather than messing about in copyright law. Looking strictly at the law, not allowing permanent TV recordings is completely unenforceable by the police (though easily enforceable through technology). The section about not breaking digital locks will make it a challenge for Canadians to acquire the software to convert our CD's and DVD's to digital storage, but for determined users, not impossible. I suspect this too will be nearly impossible to enforce in that arena. Where it will be easy to enforce is torrenting, which obviously bypasses digital locks on material and thus qualifies under that section as prohibited. The government is in an odd position. They are not accustomed to enforcing copyright law -- at least not in a non-commercial sense. Large scale piracy for profit, yes, individual for home use, no. Now they are being asked to. And for good reason - piracy is easy and pretty much everyone who knows how to do it, *is* doing it. Some more than others, but it's happening a lot. It's gone past the point where civil law can handle it -- it's time for it to become criminal. But how? They definitely don't want to be involved in individual criminal copyright cases. Too much ambiguity and complexity. So instead, digital locks. Nice and simple. We don't care about the material, we only care about the lock you bypassed by downloading (and made available while doing so) a torrented copy. You'll not have an easy time defending that. Makes sense in a twisted kind of way. That said, I agree with Geist when he says that the digital lock portion of the Bill will have the unfortunate side effect of making legitimate use of ripping music/movies nearly impossible for the average Canadian. It will be very much like winding the clock back 10 years to a point where only the computer geeks had the tools to rip their own music/movies. I'm not sure what the alternative is though. Of course, the interesting bit continues to be gathering proof that a person is downloading materials they don't have a right to. I'm curious to see how that process will work and what Canadian judges will accept as evidence.