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Physicists Devise Magnetic Shield

sciencehabit writes "The sneaky science of 'cloaking' just keeps getting richer. Physicists and engineers had already demonstrated rudimentary invisibility cloaks that can hide objects from light, sound, and water waves. Now, they've devised an 'antimagnet' cloak that can shield an object from a constant magnetic field without disturbing that field. If realized, such a cloak could have medical applications, researchers say."

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  1. Metal Detectors? by cheater512 · · Score: 2

    Would this not cause a security nightmare?

    1. Re:Metal Detectors? by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it says constant magnetic field. That's pretty hard to generate, since lots of things cause magnetic fields to fluctuate (including body movement of a metal object).

      TLDR version of TFA:

      The hypothetical device would work as a magnetic cloak by creating a space that is protected from an external magnetic field while at the same time causing no telltale distortion of the field. Alternatively, it could also be used to conceal a magnetic object and prevent its magnetic field from extending out into space—

      So, yeah, if made portable enough it would be a security problem. But don't hold your breath.

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    2. Re:Metal Detectors? by Delarth799 · · Score: 2

      So we should expect to walk through the hyper x-ray scanner 9000 naked in the next few months just as a precaution to such evil devices then

    3. Re:Metal Detectors? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Sure! The metal detector would be useless. You might want to search the guy walking through with a big bundle venting white vapour though.

    4. Re:Metal Detectors? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Sounds more like something to help hide submarines from MADs.

    5. Re:Metal Detectors? by JustOK · · Score: 2

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  2. Kind of disappointing by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 2

    From reading the headline I was almost expecting a shield a la Star Trek. All we would have left would be to find a way to make the Alcubierre warp drive something more than a theoretical possibility and I'd be donning Vulcan ears. Oh, well, I guess the waiting is not almost over yet.

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    1. Re:Kind of disappointing by Commontwist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, if it, or some variation of it, could help shield a spacecraft from the Van Allen belts I'd call it a win.

    2. Re:Kind of disappointing by gumbi+west · · Score: 2

      The Van Allen belt is not problematic because of the magnet, it is the particles caught in the magnetic field that are the problem. They are flying around in circles, stuck forever (well, until they interact or decay). Dampening the field in one area would just make them fly straight for a bit, but they would be just as harmful as they were when they were flying in curly cues.

  3. Think of the Quackery by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forget the actual medical applications. The applications for pseudo medicine are just as good. There are already a ton of people sleeping on magnetic mats. They would eat this up. Maybe even literally.

    1. Re:Think of the Quackery by Sabriel · · Score: 2

      The possibility of a magnetic shield seems to break some thermodynamic laws, unless I am misunderstanding something.

      The laws of conservation indicate the energy input to separate the two fields will meet or exceed the energy output from trying to pull perpetual motion shenanigans.

      And after RTFA, it's a materials-based cloak; you can't simply toggle it on/off, and moving the materials generates energy transfers which obey the conservation laws. :)

      When you consider the way the cosmos is set up, building an actual working perpetual motion machine might well involve safety warnings along the lines of "Please do not operate within inhabited continuum" or "Warning: no (n<5)-dimensionally serviceable parts inside". :p

  4. Better headline by pz · · Score: 3, Informative

    A better headline would be, Physicists Come up with Idea to Build Perfect Magnetic Shield. As the article states, the device itself is hypothetical no proof of concept has been built.

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  5. This is news how? by Cosgrach · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okaaaaaay. I hate to break it to you guys, but passive and active magnetic shielding has been around for a long time now. This is simply a new spin on old tech, adapting it and slightly enhancing it.

    Shielding an object from external fields is not difficult provided you have money to spend. Hospitals do it all the time for their MRI suites. The shielding may be either passive (LOTS of steel plates in the floor, walls and ceiling), or actively by installing 3-axis helmholtz coils in the walls, floor and ceiling. The coils are then driven by a set of very large and fast amplifiers. The amplifiers are driven by correction signal from a computer that has at least one 3-axis magnetometer. Obviously, the active solution is better as it can correct for things like elevators, automobiles and other things that influence the local magnetic field. The passive shielding is only good is the external field does not change.

    I remember one such shielding job in San Francisco that gave trouble because of the volume of *WATER* flow in the city water main running under the MRI suite. Yes, even water can affect magnetic fields. Passive shielding would not work, so the site had to switch to the more expensive active shielding.

    I also have had trouble calibrating magnetic instrumentation because of cars in the car park moving around. I'd have to wait for a window where there was no activity outside the building. I'm talking about smallish cars more than 50' away, and large trucks could change the fields from more than 100' away...

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    1. Re:This is news how? by robot256 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Everything you said is true, but all those methods of shielding an enclosed space can be detected from outside the space by the resulting warp in the fields around it. The researchers in this article propose a method of layering materials so that the warping of the field is contained within the shield itself, rendering its presence undetectable. This is a significant advance over conventional shielding, but it has yet to be proven feasible.

  6. Re:MRI can be much better with this by Cosgrach · · Score: 2

    MRI suites are already shielded.

    And no, you can not shield the specific volume (inside the magnet) to be imaged.

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  7. Re:Was the TSA thinking ahead? by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 2

    Wow. An electromagnetic shield to get "something" by TSA scanners? I'm pretty sure I could just hire a baggage handler to put "something" on board, without ever seeing a scanner. If money doesn't work, threatening his loved ones would.

    Yeah, that was evil, and I went there. Other people would, too.

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  8. Re:Immediate Military Applications by izomiac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Landmines. Right now, they use a bare minimum of metal to evade metal detectors, so everything is mechanical. This would allow a processor and such to be in the mine so you could have it not detonate on friendlies, and deactivate itself/start beeping after a couple years. Heck, you could even have the mines networked so the whole field detonates simultaneously when it detects large number of troops are half-way across. I'm not sure if it's in the best interest of humanity to revisit this technology, but at least some of their tactical and humanitarian problems can be addressed.

  9. Re:MRI can be much better with this by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

    Personally, I'd prefer not to have a pacemaker with a large, cryogenically cooled shield around it. Walking around with a liquid nitrogen can and hoses going into my chest would seriously cramp my lifestyle.

    I'm not even sure it would work properly - most of the danger to metallic implants, particularly sensitive electronic ones, in an MRI is from RF signals, not the magnetic field.