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Cold-War Missile Launches Military Satellite

Velcroman1 writes "At 11:49 a.m. EDT, a Minotaur IV+ rocket — essentially a decommissioned Peacekeeper missile built decades ago during the Cold War — launched the TacSat-4 satellite into orbit. Most troops today carry PRC-117 radios for communication, devices that rely on UHF transmissions. They relay calls and data back to a base station that's brought in and fixed in place, either set up on a hillside locally or carried overhead in a nearby plane. The TacSat-4 (or tactical microsatellite) lets the hundreds of thousands of military handheld radios currently in use communicate directly with an antenna orbiting in the most convenient spot imaginable: all that space overhead. 'If you're a mobile force, that requires a mobile infrastructure, the best place to put that infrastructure is in space,' said Dr. Larry Schuette, director of innovation for the Navy's Office of Naval Research (ONR)."

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  1. Swords into Plowshares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    This is a good thing.

    1. Re:Swords into Plowshares. by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 2

      Well, it's a military comm system, so it's more like swords into sword-supporting infrastructure.

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    2. Re:Swords into Plowshares. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      You do realize of course that you could describe Sputnik in the same terms.

      Nearly all of the early rocket programs were for military use.

      The idea of putting something other than munitions on a rocket was pretty much an afterthought.

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  2. Hell of a Last Word in Title by winmine · · Score: 2

    The last word of this story title could have been much worse.

    Let's examine the spectrum from:

    Cold-War Missile Launches Military Assault
    to
    Cold-War Missile Launches Military Baby Shower

  3. In Soviet Russia by Roachie · · Score: 2

    Satellite launch cold-war missile.

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  4. Junkyard Gap by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

    I'm just playing on one of my favorite films,

    Dr. Strangelove

    And one the silliest made-for-tv movies,

    Slavage 1".

    Actually maybe old Jed really did know a good cracker when he tasted one. MMM, MMM!

  5. Besides... by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... we've been doing this for years. Converting USAF ICBM's into non-warhead launch vehicles isn't exactly a new practice. We've been doing this since the late 50's. A lot of early NASA launches were on ex-USAF Atlas missiles. The earlier Minoaturs were based on decommissioned Minuteman II's. Now it's the Peacekeeper's turn. One day, Minuteman III's will be retired to launch duty too. It just makes sense to do so. I remember Barbara Streisand giving a speech back in the 80's, about how buying ICBMs was wasteful because "they'd never be used". Shows what she knew. We were sending up a lot of converted Titan missiles as launch platforms during that period. So I don't know why this is news. Using these converted missiles has been a standard (and economical) practice for a long, long time now.

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    1. Re:Besides... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I remember Barbara Streisand giving a speech back in the 80's, about how buying ICBMs was wasteful because "they'd never be used". Shows what she knew.

      Well, paying military prices (for military features, like quick fueling, etc.), and constant upkeep for decades, all for eventual use as little more than commercial-class launch service (which will be cheaper by then) is a really, really poor justification. Sure, once you have them, by all means use them, but don't pretend that's a justification.

      The reason we pay for ICBMs is precisely so we can use them, and the way to use an ICBM is to threaten potential enemies; actually nuking people is a last resort.

    2. Re:Besides... by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Still think this was a wise financial decision to make?

      If you need a nuclear deterrent, (and back then most people thought we did) then yes, especially compared to manned bombers. You're going to pay upfront costs for that deterrent. At least this way, you get double duty out of it.

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  6. Re:The Next War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We waste too much money building weapons to fight the last war.

    And so you've figured out part of the business plan of the "defense" industry.

  7. Re:Is is so new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, and basically ever since.

    The Soviet workhorse Soyuz is still directly descended from the world's first ICBM, the R-7, and the Proton is derived from a 100Mt ICBM design (though it was never produced as such).

    The US Titan and Atlas launchers initially served as ICBMs under the same names, and the Delta family is derived from the Thor, the first US ICBM.

    And the Chinese Long March 1 is derived from the Dongfeng 4, China's first ICBM, while the Long March 2-4 are derived from the successor Dongfeng 5.

    Basically, the only entities who don't use a modified ICBM are the ones who don't have any; those who have been in space several decades (US and Russia) have or are developing dedicated launchers, since the requirements really don't match precisely, but the old designs are still in wide use.

  8. Re:prc117 by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    The TacSat-4 (or tactical microsatellite) lets the hundreds of thousands of military handheld radios currently in use communicate directly with an antenna orbiting in the most convenient spot imaginable: all that space overhead.

    In a few years, just about any country with any sort of technological capability will be able to shoot down satellites. Satellite radios are all fine and dandy, but I think it would be best if those radios can also switch to a "PRC-117 Mode".

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  9. Re:Well that's fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A more efficient way of communicating so you can kill people.

    Like New Orleans after Katrina (after civilian orgs failed), Indian Ocean region after their tsunami, Haiti after the earthquake, Japan after their tsunami, etc?

  10. Re:The Next War by benjamindees · · Score: 2

    The next war will be in space.

    Or possibly at the top of a very tall mountain. Either way, most of the actual fighting will be done by robots. Our mission is clear.

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  11. Re:Bet you can't use just one by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2

    TacSat isn't in geosync:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TacSat-4#Mission

    TacSat-4 will fly the highly elliptical, 4-hour, orbit (12,050 kilometers at peak) providing typical payload communication periods of two hours per orbit. TacSat-4’s orbit also allows it to cover the high latitudes.

    TacSat was launched to allow coverage to existing military radios in locations not served by other satellite constellations.

  12. Re:900lbs? Is it enough for a MANNED capsule? by andycal · · Score: 2

    I'll bet the launch g-forces are way to high. ( the B in ICBM is balistic which I believe describes most of the flight ) plus, the thing probably doesn't nearly approach safety standards for human flight.

  13. Re:UHF by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    It's been awhile.... but the mentioned "Prick" 117 has anti spoof anti jam capabilities (SINCGARS and HAVEQUICK), Basically frequency hoppers (amongst other shenanigans).

    While possible to jam, it isn't easy. Voice comm still gets through along with heavily error corrected (and slow!) data streams.

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