Security By Obscurity — a New Theory

mikejuk writes "Kerckhoffs' Principle suggests that there is no security by obscurity — but perhaps there is. A recent paper by Dusko Pavlovic suggests that security is a game of incomplete information and the more you can do to keep your opponent in the dark, the better. In addition to considering the attacker's computing power limits, he also thinks it's worth considering limits on their logic or programming capabilities (PDF). He recommends obscurity plus a little reactive security in response to an attacker probing the system. In this case, instead of having to protect against every possible attack vector, you can just defend against the attack that has been or is about to be launched."

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Sure

[EdIII]

That's fine and all. If you want to create your security through incomplete information, or different tactics and strategy, that is a choice.

Just don't be a childish whining little bitch and run to the FBI to stop the big bad anti-social "hackers" from revealing your used-to-be incomplete information in security conventions and trying to have them arrested.

You get double whiny bitch points trying to invoke copyright to prevent the "leakage" of your incomplete information.

I certainly get the point of the article, but a system that is secured through well thought out and tested means will always trump a system where, "Golly Gee Willickers Bat Man.... I hope they don't find the secret entrance to our bat cave that is totally unprotected and unmonitored".

Re:Sure

[EdIII]

I don't think that is what they mean by incomplete information.

In the context of security through obscurity it has always, to me, seemed to mean that your method and process of providing security is not well understood and it is this fact that is providing the majority of the security. If somebody figures out the method or process, your security is greatly compromised.

A password, or private key, is not a good example in this case. I think a better example would be that passwords and private keys protect documents created by a certain well known company, but that their methods and processes were so laughable that you could create a program to bypass the keys themselves.

Or in other words........ the only thing keeping Wile E Coyote (Super Genius) from getting to Bugs Bunny though the locked door is his complete lack of awareness that there is nothing around the door but the desert itself. Take two steps to the right, two steps forward, turn to your left, and there is Bugs Bunny. You did not even have to get an ACME locksmith to come out.

Re:Sure

[moderatorrater]

It's an identifier. Security through obscurity is where methods, processes and algorithms are hidden in an attempt to create security. It's the difference between having a vault door with a lock and having a hidden door with no lock.

Passwords and private keys are very specific pieces of information that use algorithms to make it mathematically (almost) impossible to figure out. Obscure processes and methods and algorithms, on the other hand, are negligibly easy to find out when it comes to computers. Computers are too powerful to hide something from them (with a few exceptions mentioned above). Relying on obscurity is a fools game in those circumstances.

Re:I don't think they understood.

[Cryacin]

Well, if you had them behind 2^128 you'd have a trust certificate :P

Re:Remember it only talks about cryptography

[cgenman]

The problem is that Security by Obscurity is the defense of lazy vendors who should damn well know better. On the one hand, it's "obscure" that a particular keyphrase known by trusted people will get you to a layer of network security. It is slightly less "obscure" to have your server up on an unresponsive IP address. It's technically a form of "obscurity" to think the hackers wouldn't notice that you left an FTP server up and running without realizing it, or that the default login was still viable. But when vendors use that form of the term obscurity, they're just masking the fact that they are selling you rubbish.

Any properly secured system should be able to proudly proclaim all of its pertinent information to the world, including source code to all available participants, and still be secure. ONLY THEN, should obscurity be layered on. But if your vendor or contractor starts talking about obscurity first, they don't have a clue what they're doing.

Obscurity is icing. Minimalist, properly protected system design with multiple layers of protection, iron-clad internal logging, and no routes to priviledge escalation (especially social) is the route to security. Obscurity is a mildly nice icing that makes maintaining servers less problematic. It also usually leads to lazy vendors creating the illusion of security out of a soon-to-be-had massive privacy lawsuit.

Re:I don't think they understood.

[thsths]

> Which bank would you prefer?

And that is the key point. Real security can be audited without compromising it. Obscurity cannot be audited - you have to take their word that it is "obscure" enough. And what is obscure or inconceivable to some person may be perfectly obvious to another (such as a blackhat with actual security skills...).