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SAIC Loses Data of 4.9 Million Patients

An anonymous reader writes "Government contractor SAIC just can't seem to get a break. Still fresh off of the Citytime scandal, they've now had a data breach in which backup tapes holding 4.9 million personal health records were stolen from an employee's car. To add insult to injury, evidently the tapes were not encrypted either: 'Tricare did not indicate whether SAIC encrypted the information on the stolen tapes, but Raley said, "It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape."'"

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  1. holy crap, what idiots by chiBrian · · Score: 1

    There are people who let their data out of the data center in plaintext?

    1. Re:holy crap, what idiots by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they usually go to places like Iron Mountain via more or less secure transport for offsite storage. Why this guy actually had those tapes in his car is an entirely different issue, and probably one where convenience won out over proper procedure. Which is assuming that SAIC actually had a procedure, of course.

      This does look like legitimate grounds for potential lawsuits: the fact that patient data needs to be secure is hardly an obscure set of laws and requirements.

      As for the "require knowledge of and access to specific hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure", I suppose that's an issue with all data... but would it really be that hard to get access to that knowledge if someone really wanted that information?

    2. Re:holy crap, what idiots by 3nails4aFalseProphet · · Score: 2

      For some organizations, it is a weighted risk. Which would be worse: some random car thief thinking he stole somebody's 8-track collection, or not being able to find/remember the right password to restore the data in a legit DR situation?

      Although, even with my defending them above I have to ask... WTF was going on with tapes left alone in an employee's car? Most places use a data storage company to transfer and store tapes.

      Also, Axway's Raley was either misquoted or she's an idiot. What is Tricare using that makes tape encryption so difficult? Usually the difference between encrypting and not is just a checking a box and entering a password. May slow down an already tedious process of backing up/restoring, but definitely isn't difficult to implement.

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    3. Re:holy crap, what idiots by gregfortune · · Score: 2

      I didn't see any mention of encryption in the PDF linked off of that quote either. Wonder where it came from?

    4. Re:holy crap, what idiots by gregfortune · · Score: 2

      Ah ha, it came from the second link rather than the PDF it appeared to be linked to. Come on guys, at least link silly quotes like that to the right article.

      ---- http://www.informationweek.com/news/healthcare/security-privacy/231700161
      Tricare did not indicate whether SAIC encrypted the information on the stolen tapes, but Raley said, "It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape." Tricare did not respond to a request for comment on the HIPAA issues.
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      Brilliant :(

    5. Re:holy crap, what idiots by JDAustin · · Score: 1

      I'm a SAIC employee and I manage the servers in our office. Corporate policies are that backups are to never leave the server room, much less the office. This policy was put into place a few years ago (along with desktop encryption) after some 401k data was taken from a stolen HR computer.

    6. Re:holy crap, what idiots by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Corporate policies are that backups are to never leave the server room, much less the office.

      And if there's some physical disaster (fire, flood, etc, etc)?

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    7. Re:holy crap, what idiots by JDAustin · · Score: 1

      And if there's some physical disaster (fire, flood, etc, etc)?

      Flood, not an issue at my building cause its on the 6th floor. Fire or Earth quake...well I've asked about that.

    8. Re:holy crap, what idiots by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Flood, not an issue at my building cause its on the 6th floor.

      Until an idiot plumber on the floor above you swings his braising torch too close to a fire sprinkler, and thousands of gallons of water find the crack between the floors and pours straight down upon your SAN cabinets. (Yes, that actually happened to us...)

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    9. Re:holy crap, what idiots by JDAustin · · Score: 1

      Until an idiot plumber on the floor above you swings his braising torch too close to a fire sprinkler, and thousands of gallons of water find the crack between the floors and pours straight down upon your SAN cabinets. (Yes, that actually happened to us...)

      Not an issue since were on the top floor.....(but I get your point). FWIW, our tapes are stored in a safe which is in a safe.

    10. Re:holy crap, what idiots by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Not an issue since were on the top floor

      Roof leak during rain storm? Unless you're in the Sahara, Atacama, Antarctica or Texas.

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  2. orly? by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 0

    srsly?

    /now I hate myself as much as you hate me for this post.

    1. Re:orly? by Thud457 · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:orly? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

      Especially if it's one of these.

      I saw one of these on a business trip not long ago ... 500+ HP of performance station wagon. The mind reels.

      There might not even be all that much latency at those speeds. ;-)

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    3. Re:orly? by mirix · · Score: 1

      Europe has some pretty sweet wagons. Superior vehicle class for soccer moms vs. minivans and SUVs, I'd think.

      Too bad the big 3 left a horrible fake wood-panelled taste in america's mouths.

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  3. LOL by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hard to encrypt tape?!? Every LTO5 and most LTO4 drives support hardware AES encryption!

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    1. Re:LOL by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 0

      I can't find in the second link where it says it's very hard to encrypt backup tapes. Did I miss something?

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    2. Re:LOL by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      Never mind that was stated in the first link.

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    3. Re:LOL by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's a patent for encrypting patents.

    4. Re:LOL by mlts · · Score: 1

      Bingo. For basic encryption, I logged onto the tape silo, typed in a passphrase, enabled encryption, and called it done. Transferring the key via SPIN/SPOUT to the drives does the rest.

      If I wanted better encryption, I can use a key management system, changing out keys for written tapes, but yet keeping them on the appliance for reading. Of course, a backup of the keys are made and stored.

      Even without LTO's built in encryption, every modern backup program supports some type of AES level software encryption. NetBackup, TSM, Networker, you name it. It usually consists of a checkbox and either creating an encryption key, or typing in a password.

      Tape encryption isn't hard by any means.

    5. Re:LOL by emayar · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Encrypting tape backups is required by HIPAA anymore.

    6. Re:LOL by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      Hard to encrypt tape?!? Every LTO5 and most LTO4 drives support hardware AES encryption!

      I think he may have meant one of two things...

      1) He was thinking about encrypting tapes when they are already outside of the system. If an employee wanted to remove them from the secured facility, then how would he encrypt them in place without disrupting the production system?

      2) He may be looking at it from their internal point of view. They probably have a large, old, proprietary, expensive system (what else in a government operation?) that doesn't support encryption and is not easily upgraded without a huge investment.

      Of course, as you pointed out, you can't rule out this option:

      3) He's stupid

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    7. Re:LOL by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

      Exactly! Encrypting tape backups is required by HIPAA anymore.

      No, its not. Under the HIPAA Security Rule, Encryption and Decryption is an "addressable" rather than a "required" specification of the Access Control standard mandated under HIPAA (see, 45 CFR Sec. 164.312(a).)

      So, in fact, entities holding PHI are required to either implement encryption or document why it isn't "reasonable and appropriate" for them to do so. (see 45 CFR Sec. 164.306(d)(3).)

      Encrypting data, whether at rest or in motion,is necessary for the data to be considered "secured", but there is no general prohibition on holding or transmitting unsecured PHI. However, there are all kinds of rules regarding notification and other actions that have to happen in the event that anyone who isn't supposed to have access to particular PHI gets, or might have, their hands on unsecured PHI, so the policy of most institutions that hold PHI is to make sure that it is secured both in rest and in motion.

    8. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yah... with new data, written on new tapes, with new drives. You're ignoring all the problems that come with doing it right, but in this case some would have been better than nothing, I'll grant you that.

      These may have come from some old ass tape stacker thing attached to a mainframe, AFAIK.

    9. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      beat me to it!

    10. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's "patients" not "patents." I admit, I read it that way too at first.

    11. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where does TFA say LTO? I suspect the hardware/software/OS was so old that AES is not supported...
      Another link from the headline says:
      "Q. Can just anyone access this data?
      A. No. Retrieving the data on the tapes requires knowledge of and access to specific hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure."
      Which is close to security through obscurity ...

      I think I know what the tapes are, and 5 minutes on Google showed I'm close, but who ever has the tapes can't get the Geek Squad to read them...

    12. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on whose drive they were backed up with that may or may not be true.
      Having said that reading the tape (assuming its not encrypted) is somewhat trivial and with a modicum of expertise these should be able to be restored rather easily and then off the disk that they were restored to. This assume they were straight backup tapes if you add in the two vendors (that I know of) its terrifically easy to restore them. if its an odd backup program it might take you a day or so to run down the utility.
      However if there aggregate backup tapes it might be terribly hard to do so. It just plain depends.

  4. Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    Seriously?

    What kind of knuckle dragging moron can't figure out how to encrypt the data stream they're backing up?

    1. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Raistlin77 · · Score: 2

      Seems to be that it was an ignorant attempt at sarcasm, as in "How do you encrypt plastic?" Clearly he's the kind of knuckle dragging moron that shouldn't be making statements regarding the topic at hand.

    2. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      Lol, this guy took the tapes out to his CAR, would you feel ok walking around with your companies database in your briefcase?

      I wouldn't, I'd VPN in to grab it, not carry it, and I'd make sure I'm using a hardened windows to do it too. That kind of liability can really put a kink in somebody's day.

      This fine gentleman though, not only removed the tapes, he put them in his car.

      Now with that thought pattern do you REALLY expect him to know about encrypting tapes?

      Some people just shouldn't be allowed to be around computers, but are because for reasons that are not fully revealed to me some people think they can work in IT without actually knowing much about computers. I'm just adding this post as an extra gtfo of IT to these people.

      If my record was among those, I'd prolly be looking into a class action lawsuit rather than making this post.

    3. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Lol, this guy took the tapes out to his CAR, would you feel ok walking around with your companies database in your briefcase?

      I have to take drives to and from the data center with confidential and sensitive data on them. They are TrueCrypted with strong pass phrases, but just having the data in my possession makes me hesitant to go anywhere other than directly to/from the data center and office. Stop at Starbucks? No way! What if someone steals the drive during the 5 minutes it takes me to get my coffee!?!

      On another note, have these people never heard of Iron Mountain? Those guys are there for a reason, and that reason is not because it is hard to transport a backup tape from point A to point B. They are there to manage to the risk. When was the last time we read a story, "Iron Mountain lost backup tapes uber confidential data."??

    4. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Seedy2 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there are id10ts out there (typically upper management) who once heard the phrase offsite backup from one of their golf buddies, and thought it meant "have the IT staff take the backup home with them, in case there's a fire". Continuing with some variation of: "Besides, if we need something restored they can get it back faster than iron mountain"

      The hours I've argued...

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    5. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      you'd VPN a few LTO5 tapes, wow, I would like to have such a nice internet connection....

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    6. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Never understimate the bandwidth of a briefcase full of LTO tape. If it's encrypted, it should be absolutely no problem physically transporting the backups off site yourself.

      Don't get me wrong, this guy is an idiot. But the fact that he had backup tapes on his person, in his car, is not evidence for that.

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    7. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Bucky24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      When was the last time we read a story, "Iron Mountain lost backup tapes uber confidential data."??

      Every time that happens they kill all the witnesses. So no one ever knows...

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    8. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      When was the last time we read a story, "Iron Mountain lost backup tapes uber confidential data."??

      Based on a quick search, at least as recently as 2009. And then 2008 before that. And 2007, 2006, and 2005 (twice) before that.

      http://datalossdb.org/organizations/128-iron-mountain

      We use Iron Mountain and they're generally good (and the local warehouse is only a couple of miles away), but it's still a good idea to encrypt any tape that leaves the facility, whether or not it contains personal data. A system backup could provide information useful to someone who wants to gain access to a network, among other things.

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    9. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by seifried · · Score: 1

      Well: Google says... "Iron Mountain has lost a backup tape belonging to GE Money with approximately 650,000 JC Penney customer records on it, and 150,000 of those records include customer social security numbers." Among others.

    10. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      it's still a good idea to encrypt any tape that leaves the facility, whether or not it contains personal data.

      Agreed. Encrypting the backup is standard practice. Or at least it should be if the admins are competent at what they do.

    11. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Seedy2 · · Score: 1

      Not claiming they are perfect, just saying the not-so-well-thought-out "additional measures" are less than helpful, as a rule. :)

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    12. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by dcsmith · · Score: 1

      When was the last time we read a story, "Iron Mountain lost backup tapes uber confidential data."??

      Every time that happens they kill all the witnesses. So no one ever knows...

      Taking security through obscurity to a new level.

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    13. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2

      Since the first person to witness the crime would the thief, I'm actually OK with that....

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    14. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by moogied · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used Iron Mountain? There secured vans are a joke. Its an econoline or something similiar with a metal cage inside and a two part lock system on the doors.. anyone could rob that if they wanted to.

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    15. Re:Very hard to encrypt a backup tape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VPN? Not even close.

      If I actually cared about the critical data of my company I would pay a company that specializes in the transport and storage of offsite, autistic backups.
      There are actually companies out there who will come to your datacenter/office, pick up your locked tape boxes with armed guards, transport those cases in armored trucks (just as good as the bank trucks, sometimes better), and store them in a facility rated to take the EMP from a nuke detonated close enough that the EMP wouldn't be your problem.

      Wait... that IS how I secure my company's critical data...

  5. LTO can do it on the drive by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    And most of the big vendors and even many free software systems support key management. So no, it isn't very difficult. You just have to give a shit.

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  6. very hard to encrypt by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    Yeah, encrypting a backup tape might take another hour or two to configure... not at all reasonable overhead for 4.9 million patient records

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    1. Re:very hard to encrypt by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      More like 10 seconds...

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    2. Re:very hard to encrypt by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      I assumed the sysadmin would first want to learn what encryption was.

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    3. Re:very hard to encrypt by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It is something built into many tape drives which doesn't reduce performance due to being done by specialized hardware designed for it. If you would like a lesson in encryption, I can bring that up for you.

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    4. Re:very hard to encrypt by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      :)

      I know what it is, and was mostly joking about the time padding I gave. I gave three hours because I figure maybe the admin has never configured a tape drive before and he wants to read up a bit, and because it's always nice to give people the benefit of the doubt when calling them incompetent.

      Even so, I suspect the figure may be larger than five minutes for someone who's never done it before, particularly if they've never done it before and they're worried about enterprise-level reliability in their backup solution.

      I take it that the hardware encryption takes a secret key and builds AES or a similar algorithm in using that?

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    5. Re:very hard to encrypt by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      That is my understanding. In Backup Exec it is a checkbox and a password entry, on each backup job.

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  7. Espionage? by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

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    1. Re:Espionage? by Nkwe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

      Maybe not as high as an employee selling the tapes and claiming that they were stolen.

    2. Re:Espionage? by N8F8 · · Score: 1

      I had a similar thought. Highly suspicious.

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    3. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

      Maybe not as high as an employee selling the tapes and claiming that they were stolen.

      Who leaves their backup tapes in a car anyways? In every place I've worked the backup tapes go straight to the off-site warehouse.

    4. Re:Espionage? by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was thinking that either they're covering up some other incompetence or this was an inside job. I'm inclined to think that someone knew those tapes would be in that car at that time. But then there's Hanlon's razor, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. And this was pretty stupid.

    5. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno. Any students of Andrew Tanenbaum live nearby?

    6. Re:Espionage? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      Why would an employee that has access to the data steal the tapes and not make copies.Esp with all the attention even saying the tapes were stolen would cause. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

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    7. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

      Given a small stretch of the imagination, probably pretty good... They were probably in a bag, backpack, or briefcase, which was just snatched because it was something easy to carry.

    8. Re:Espionage? by Lashat · · Score: 1

      More like cover up for a data breach/loss they have no clue how to fix right now. This limits their liability to "Yea, well he was fired. Won't happen again."

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    9. Re:Espionage? by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      I'd say there's 99.9% chance that the thief didn't know what they were grabbing. Break a window, grab any bags or boxes you see and get out of there is how most operate. Of course, there's a 0.01% chance that the thief knows exactly what they were going after and has been casing the mark for weeks waiting for the right opportunity. And then there's a the overlap of maybe 10% that didn't know when they grabbed it but are completely away of it by now, either through media reports (not that the media shouldn't report, it's the 0.01% chance that you need to worry about anyway) or by accessing the tapes directly. The question is if they have contacts with the right criminal elements to make a profit off the information.

    10. Re:Espionage? by BBTaeKwonDo · · Score: 2

      If a copy is found, it may be possible to determine when the copy was done and by whom. E.g., "Suzy's record was added on the 3rd and Bobby's was added on the 4th. This copy has Suzy's record but not Bobby's, so the copy must have been taken on the 3rd. Who did the backups on the 3rd?" By saying the tapes were stolen, it's much less suspicious if a copy is found.

    11. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

      I leave my backup tapes on the dashboard. In Florida. In July.

    12. Re:Espionage? by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      maybe theirs do too. via... a car.

    13. Re:Espionage? by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      What's the probability that someone breaks into your car and steals computer tapes?

      If they're sitting in plain view? Somebody busted my window to steal less than a dollar in change that was sitting in the center console. And that was in a car that was already missing the radio because of a previous break-in.

    14. Re:Espionage? by mlts · · Score: 1

      Any firm that doesn't have a chain of custody of tapes is failing ITIL 101.

      For example, on premises, tapes should be either sitting in the silo, inserted in a tape safe [1], or in the blue containers with a seal on them waiting for the IM van.

      Not rocket science here. It is disappointing seeing organizations not follow this.

      [1]: Businesses need an on premise tape safe. This is less for security (since the safe should be located fairly near the data center, and behind locked doors), but for protection in case of fire.

    15. Re:Espionage? by last-omega · · Score: 1

      Does anyone remember "Database Nation"?

    16. Re:Espionage? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      The only car that this kind of backup tapes belong in is an armoured one.

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    17. Re:Espionage? by dave562 · · Score: 2

      Depending on the environment, it is very easy to detect a copy operation. Due to the sensitive of the data we deal with, we have controls in place. Every time a drive is attached / detached from the server it is recorded. Internet connectivity is prohibited. ACLs on the servers prevent mounting remote file systems, and even if they could be mounted, the mount would be logged.

      In my environment, it would be much easier to "lose" a backup tape than to simply copy the records. Of course, that is not entirely true either. The tapes need to be signed out of the data center. Given that, "theft" is pretty much the only viable alternative.

    18. Re:Espionage? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I suppose, but who's going to steal tapes without knowing what's on them? Without more information it's hard to say, but it's a lot less likely that a smash and grab is going to be triggered by seeing tapes, unless the thief has some idea what's on them.

      Laptops OTOH, I totally see how those would be stolen by somebody not knowing what's on them.

    19. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... do you also audit your systems that test & validate the backups?

      I mean--you presumably don't require people to be doing test restores on the master server... but I haven't seen many places that actually audit the tape test machines....

      You /do/ check that your backups function at least periodically, right?

    20. Re:Espionage? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Who leaves their backup tapes in a car anyways?

      People who work for niggardly companies or government agencies?

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    21. Re:Espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say there's 99.9% chance that the thief didn't know what they were grabbing. Break a window, grab any bags or boxes you see and get out of there is how most operate. Of course, there's a 0.01% chance that the thief knows exactly what they were going after and has been casing the mark for weeks waiting for the right opportunity. And then there's a the overlap of maybe 10% that didn't know when they grabbed it but are completely away of it by now, either through media reports (not that the media shouldn't report, it's the 0.01% chance that you need to worry about anyway) or by accessing the tapes directly. The question is if they have contacts with the right criminal elements to make a profit off the information.

      The tapes have most likely already been tossed into a random city dumpster when the thief dumped all the worthless crap out of the briefcase on his way to his Fence's place. Items which appear high in resale value would have been kept, and if the case itself was worth money it would be kept as well. Paperwork, misc items, and especially some odd-looking cassette tapes would have almost immediately gone into the trash.

  8. My professional opinion by subreality · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape.

    I think I speak for everyone when I say: Fuck you, no it's not. I don't have any problems encrypting my personal backups even though I have nothing more private to protect than porn. You people are supposed to be professionals. Telling people their data is safe because it would require "special hardware and software" to read the tapes is pathetic. Get your shit together, sir.

    1. Re:My professional opinion by rk · · Score: 1

      I worked on a networked backup and recovery system and in the 1.1 version of our product, we integrated encryption both of the data streams from remote systems, and of the data on the tape itself.

      This was 10 years ago. If you bought recovery software from a competent vendor, it's not hard at all.

    2. Re:My professional opinion by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nail. Head. Hit.

      "special hardware and software" gets me...

      A LTO-5 drive and access to GNU tar or cpio is an alt-tab away for a number of IT people.

    3. Re:My professional opinion by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      require "special hardware and software" to read the tapes

      Eh, technically it does. You could also say that a CD requires special hardware and software to read. It's just that the hardware and software in question is fairly easy to obtain...

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    4. Re:My professional opinion by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Sledgehammer. Head. Hit.

      At least, that's how I'd like to react to an organization whom I'm paying (indirectly via my taxes) failing in their legal requirements to keep this data absolutely secret. And in a way that is obviously stupid: They had no business storing things unencrypted on a backup tape, and no business having their offsite backup solution be "stick it in the back of somebody's car". I'll put it this way - my organization deals with information far less important than that, and we treat our backups with a lot more care than that.

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  9. /facepalm by idontgno · · Score: 2

    Did you just say ""It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape."? In public? Out loud? With a straight face?

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    1. Re:/facepalm by jd · · Score: 1

      After their competitor, CSC, walked off with a few billion from the UK in exchange for vapourware, saying that with a straight face would have been almost easy.

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  10. Encryption by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

    Now, I dont know anything about tape drives, but how can it be difficult to do the encryption?

    Simplest process would be to just zip them up with 7-zip, split into archives the size of the tape and apply a password to it.

    May not be the strongest security, but still better than nothing

    1. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you know anything about anything?

    2. Re:Encryption by MikeB0Lton · · Score: 2

      Backup processes are typically automated and do not use 7-zip, but instead use backup utilities that cost $$$ like NetBackup. Most enterprise grade backup software can utilize software encryption for the backups. Tape drives can do the same on the hardware side if you bought the feature. Besides offloading the encryption algorithm to the tape drive, it also opens the door for storage deduplication for the volumes holding the disk based backups (encryption would obfuscate the data in the blocks rendering dedupe useless). It seems like the guy who lost the tapes was not able to pay Iron Mountain to handle offsite rotation, so he foolishly did it himself.

    3. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wrong you don't have to pay for encryption on backups. Yes some systems it is extra but every open source back up system encrypts and is free. Its just a matter of the set up. Try looking a Bacula or Amanda. They encrypt and they're free.

    4. Re:Encryption by MikeB0Lton · · Score: 1

      Hardly. I did mention that "most enterprise grade backup software can utilize software encryption". Try purchasing a tape drive with hardware encryption without paying to license the feature. The last one I bought was a TL4000 with LTO4 drives from Dell and encryption was a licensed feature that cost a couple grand.

  11. We did not come to this decision lightly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q. Will you be notifying beneficiaries?
    A. After careful deliberation, we have decided that we will notify all affected
    beneficiaries. We did not come to this decision lightly.

    In other words : we didn't want to tell you but they made us.

  12. !surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No surprises here, as a former SAIC employee.

    Get to know some of those career jokers and you will understand, they have a small number of very good people, but 95% of them are right up there with Geek Squad.

    1. Re:!surprised by grimmjeeper · · Score: 2

      You really shouldn't insult Geek Squad like that.

    2. Re:!surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!

    3. Re:!surprised by MagikSlinger · · Score: 3, Informative

      SAIC's greatest FAILs:

      Wow. The hits just keep coming...

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    4. Re:!surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as a former SAIC employee.

      Former, as in "fired"?

      Get to know some of those career jokers and you will understand, they have a small number of very good people, but 95% of them are right up there with Geek Squad.

      SAIC has approx 41,000 employees. Have you personally worked with 38,950 SAIC employees to be able to make such an asinine statement? I've worked with and for SAIC folks for around 15 years. There are always the dimwits in any group, but by and large I find them to be a pretty competent crowd.

    5. Re:!surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have got to be kidding, those jokers didn't even tag their software releases in SVN.

  13. Bad, but nonconsensual implantation is worse by Roark+Meets+Dent · · Score: 0

    Losing records is bad, but it's not the worst thing in the world. At least they're not secretly abducting people and implanting their brains.

  14. Offsite backup by Smallpond · · Score: 2

    When we stored tapes at an offsite backup, they were picked up in a locked metal box by uniformed security guards who delivered them to their protected site. These days it has shifted to VPN. Never heard of just having tapes sitting in an employee's car. What was the offsite backup? A shoebox in his closet?

    1. Re:Offsite backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I used to work at a firm that sent the backup tapes home with the tech.
      She stored them under her bed.
      I told her that was a great place because if her husband ever came home early and found a strange man in the bedroom she could say he was just there to get a backup.

    2. Re:Offsite backup by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Raises hand. That's exactly what I did (offsite backup into shoebox in my closet). Of course the tapes were encrypted, it was 1987 and we were a small business with little sensitive data (still our customer DB was valuable, if only to competitors).

      I interviewed with SAIC about 10 years ago. Let me say that the place reeked of stupid. I told them I had already found a job when they called back for second round.

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    3. Re:Offsite backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So SAIC is a place now? Guess it's lucky for you that Waffle House was looking for a short order cook or you might have had to work for SAIC.

    4. Re:Offsite backup by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      When we stored tapes at an offsite backup, they were picked up in a locked metal box by uniformed security guards who delivered them to their protected site. These days it has shifted to VPN. Never heard of just having tapes sitting in an employee's car. What was the offsite backup? A shoebox in his closet?

      This isn't the first time something like this has happened with patient data. I remember several years ago in Portland, Providence got some backup tapes with patient records stolen from an employee's car and I'm pretty sure a massive lawsuit and/or HIPAA fine followed. It's all fine and dandy that you had uniformed security guards transport the tapes, but let's face it, for many smaller organizations that's not practical or even necessary. Just don't leave them unattended in your car! Don't stop at a restaurant or bar and don't leave them in your car overnight, or even in the parking lot of your office. Not leaving them in your car would have prevented this, and even if you're with the tapes and you're carjacked it probably wouldn't be considered negligence for the sake of HIPAA fines and lawsuits, so long as your backups are encrypted. It's negligent, stupid and lazy not to encrypt HIPAA protected data in your backups.

    5. Re:Offsite backup by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I imagine SAIC has more then one location.

      I chose unemployment over SAIC. Having sense met a number of former SAIC employees I am confident I made the correct choice.

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    6. Re:Offsite backup by izomiac · · Score: 1

      What was the offsite backup? A shoebox in his closet?

      Obviously it was his car. Now, they've 'outsourced' that to "the cloud".

  15. EHRs are inherently untrustworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes the clumsiness of paper is an advantage.

    That holds true for things like health records and ballots. I would also hope things like missile launch codes are written and verified on paper, so we're not one JE->JNE away from a huge oops.

    Paper doesn't get lost en masse and it's harder to mine and manipulate on wholesale levels.

    Until computer systems are more secure and privacy laws stronger, each by orders of magnitude, there will be a place for paper.

    1. Re:EHRs are inherently untrustworthy by boxxertrumps · · Score: 1

      This wasn't about computer security... there were no measures implemented here in the first place.

    2. Re:EHRs are inherently untrustworthy by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Paper doesn't get lost en masse and it's harder to mine and manipulate on wholesale levels.

      Right, it would be impossible for idiotic companies to make a photocopy of records for backup purposes, then lose them due to braindead handling.

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    3. Re:EHRs are inherently untrustworthy by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Well, no. But 4.9 million at once? Stretching credence for paper.

  16. really? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    "It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape."'

    Then encrypt the data, nimrod. These people actually get paid? Since when do they store HIPAA-related data and NOT encrypt it in the tables or wherever.

    Exporting data to a nonencrypted anything is wrong. And backup tapes need not have raw data on them. Probably they shouldn't.

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    1. Re:really? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Since when do they store HIPAA-related data and NOT encrypt it in the tables or wherever.

      When it is profitable to do so.

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  17. Criminal charges for HIPAA violations? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Who was responsible for transporting and losing unencrypted data with PHI in an unsecured environment? Should be jail time for the boss who approved this.

  18. HIPPA Consequences? by goldspider · · Score: 2

    So is SAIC going to be fined for their illegal (if unintentional) disclosure of patient medical records?

    Ha ha! Almost got ya there, didn't I? Of course I know the answer already!

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    1. Re:HIPPA Consequences? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I doubt they will, but there have been recent fines handed out for HIPAA violations, so hopefully.

      The only way that businesses will take this sort of thing seriously is if there are real fines and preferably prison time for the executives in charge of this mess.

    2. Re:HIPPA Consequences? by tiberus · · Score: 1

      It's a bit stunning that they're fluffing this off as strictly an FTC issue. We started encrypting our backups due to HIPPA many years ago and started using Iron Mountain for offsite storage a few years ago. If a company of less than 200 employees can manage this, I'd wager SAIC could pull it off too. LOSING

    3. Re:HIPPA Consequences? by ZackZero · · Score: 1

      Let's keep in mind what TRICARE refers to, at least in part: the health system that most - if not all - military members take part in. Trust me, there will be people calling for heads.

    4. Re:HIPPA Consequences? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Of course they can, there are plenty of ways of being compliant with the privacy regulations without having to be a huge organisation. The reason why we need actual enforcement and possible jail time is that without a pretty freaking huge stick, these companies aren't going to comply.

      My information has been lost by at least a half dozen different companies in the last decades, nearly all of whom are required to take some pretty significant PII in order to do business with me. One of whom was a former employer.

      These cases aren't typically a matter of an employee getting lazy, they're cases of companies with incomplete or incompetent procedures in place to ensure that PII is only available to those that really need it and in quantities just sufficient to complete the task before locking it up again.

      Not to mention at least one of them had the information stored on a server with access to the internet.

  19. Really??? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    The risk of harm to patients is judged to be low despite the data elements involved since retrieving the data on the tapes would require knowledge of and access to specific hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure.

    I've worked with some weird systems before, but none so weird that I'd consider it that hard to get something off the tape. Even if the data structures are too strange to find everything, you might be able to link names with SSNs.

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    1. Re:Really??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say there's about a 75% chance these files are just Oracle offline backup files. In which case any DBA or intelligent person who can Google could set up a new database with the data and query any info they want from it. It also means that they could've easily encrypted them on the fly when they put them on tape.

  20. A few facts distilled from TFA by idontgno · · Score: 1

    and a couple of questions.

    For those who don't know, Tricare is the "health insurance" that pays for providing health care for members of the military and for those retired military members that pay premiums. However, I don't remember SAIC having any contractual role in administering the Tricare system. Perhaps they were contracted by DoD to perform some kind of historical data analysis, and authorized access on that basis... but the reports make Tricare out to be the party at fault, so that would imply that SAIC is formally part of the winning Tricare team, and not some kind of outside consultant. Maybe the SAIC employee was a contractor performing the duties of a government employee in the administration of Tricare. Pretty confusing.

    Anyway, TFA says that 4.9 million people were affected, but also that the tape contained health records from facilities in the San Antonio, Texas region for a 19-year period. 4.9 million people seems like a really large number for the service catchment area of one city, even if it has several primary military care facilities and a large semi-transient military population. Maybe if they include the induction medical records of Air Force recruits at Basic Training at Lackland AFB, for instance.

    Weird.

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    1. Re:A few facts distilled from TFA by idontgno · · Score: 1

      It's gauche, but I'm gonna follow up to myself to ask the questions that came to mind.

      • What precise role did SAIC have in this? As I mentioned, I don't remember SAIC being involved in Tricare administration "back in the day".
      • Why, exactly, does Tricare think HIPAA privacy protections don't come into effect in this case? If this had been Blue Cross/Blue Shield, you can be damn well sure the HIPAA police would have been down there with sirens screaming. The only difference is that Tricare is a government-administered program. Maybe that's enough? ("We make the rules. We decide who they apply to.")
      • What 4.9 million people are we talking about? That's a lot of beneficiaries for just the San Antonio area, although if you count transient residents (trainees, active duty military that rotate through the bases every 2-5 years, etc.) that number might actually work.

      Overall, I'm quite disappointed at Tricare's lackadaisical response. You'd think they had a captive customer base. Which is quite literally true for a lot of it. You can be jailed for removing yourself from coverage without permission.

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    2. Re:A few facts distilled from TFA by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Anyway, TFA says that 4.9 million people were affected, but also that the tape contained health records from facilities in the San Antonio, Texas region for a 19-year period. 4.9 million people seems like a really large number for the service catchment area of one city, even if it has several primary military care facilities and a large semi-transient military population. Maybe if they include the induction medical records of Air Force recruits at Basic Training at Lackland AFB, for instance.

      That's only 250k/year. And this includes pretty much every aerospace medical officer (Brooks), all Air Force basic trainees (Lackland), most pilots and navs (Randolph), the Army Medical School (Ft Sam Houston), and all retirees and family members.
      70,000 annually graduate from Lackland school alone.

    3. Re:A few facts distilled from TFA by Tekfactory · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well if it's a strictly Government program HIPAA isn't its regulatory framework. They'd still have a requirement to protect Personally Identifiable Information under FISMA act of 2002 and OMB Memorandum 06-16 which came out after the VA lost their records. Among other things M06-16 requires you to encrypt senstivie data on mobile media and data in transit.

    4. Re:A few facts distilled from TFA by ZackZero · · Score: 1

      A military member's physical medical records - upon discharge, separation or retirement - do get mailed out to a central storage location, much like enlisted service records upon breakdown. I'm not sure about digital records, though.

    5. Re:A few facts distilled from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says right on this page that it applies to government and military.

      http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/index.html

  21. that what they get hireing based on degrees by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    people who do stuff like this must of not done alot of tech work or did not go to a tech school.

    CS will teach you theory and may some hands on stuff but a tech school will tech you about the right way to do safe back ups and the basic of data safety.

    have back up tapes employee's car why? there has to be a better way to have a off site back up plan? if you want a employee to take it to off site place pay them (Time + miles) to do at the end of the day of a fixed time with NO OTHER WORK LOAD AT the same time. Tell them if you need a rest stop take the tape with you.

    Wow ohio fixed that a few years ago and there off site back up plan has let the intern take in home in his car.

    http://it.slashdot.org/story/07/12/11/2144255/ohio-plans-to-encrypt-after-data-breach

    Retrieving the data on the tapes requires knowledge of and access to specific
    hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure.

    sounds like manager speech.

    1. Re:that what they get hireing based on degrees by I+Read+Good · · Score: 1

      You apparently skipped grammar school to get to tech school. That said, there are just as many idiots with certs/associates as there are with bachelors or better.

  22. Ohio Plans To Encrypt After Data Breach by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Ohio Plans To Encrypt After Data Breach by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Great. We just need to have it happen 49 more times and then the entire country might have gotten a clue and implemented something vaguely resembling proper security.

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  23. Hard to encrypt backup tapes? by utkonos · · Score: 1

    Surely you jest? Getting amanda to encrypt your backups. Is just a matter of reading some howto files on amanda's website. And, just peeking over at bacula's website, I can see that they have a similar sort of setup. I don't use bacula, but I'm sure it is a matter of following the directions just like with amanda. It is not clear how anyone can consider encrypting backup tapes as a difficult process. For that matter, with TrueCrypt, OpenSSL, GnuPG, FreeBSD's geli, and linux's dm-crypt encryption in general has become easy and accessible. Add to that the hardware acceleration built into most new systems or just pure computational power of modern processors and organizations are remiss for not using encryption at nearly every turn. If you don't, you should lose your job.

    1. Re:Hard to encrypt backup tapes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not quite that simple. Tape backup systems rely on built-in compression to keep down tape volume and backup time. Encryption has to take place after the compression (you can't compress a properly encrypted file). That means the encryption has to be built into the tape backup system to be useful. Older tape systems lacked this feature.

  24. Jail by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    Someone seriously needs to go to jail for a long time.

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    1. Re:Jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Once the government takes over health care records this sort of thing will be so commonplace that there will be no need for security. Instead of reducing security to the lowest common denominator through regulation and mediocrity we'll have a great explosion of private records becoming public to level the playing field. No one will have an advantage in privacy. I for one can't wait for it to happen. Remember, government is the greatest good, and only good. It can do no wrong for the governed.

    2. Re:Jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but the 1st Amendment protects people from being prosecuted for saying really stupid things.

      Oh, wait - you're talking about going to jail for the data breach, nor for saying "It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape." But you should get fired for saying that if you're a director at an IT security company...

      ObCompanyNote: I use Axway's software for secure communications at work, but this comment is going to make me re-examine that; it's a real shame too, their software is really easy to use compared to most ...

  25. Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe juian assange stold them?

  26. Very hard? by jgotts · · Score: 1

    Maybe he used a piece of proprietary backup software that he had no source code for to do the backup, but it's hard to believe that he wasn't stealing the data.

  27. And they all support rot256 by davidwr · · Score: 2

    rot256 is for arbitrary 8-bit binary data.

    "rot256 - like rot13 but 19-20 times as much rot!"
    - rejected slogan, rot256 working group

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  28. Who cares? by mj1856 · · Score: 1

    Tapes are hard as hell to restore reliably anyway. And he left them in a car on top of that. They're probably toast already.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Sure, if they're old Tandberg drive tapes, but LTO tapes are extremely reliable. Where I work we wouldn't dream of writing backups to anything else (not least because it would be expensive to match the 1.2TB capacity of each tape).

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  29. Well, if the thieves didn't know it was valuable by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... they do now.

    Thief to buddy: "Hey, you know that stuff we grabbed last month out of that car? I wonder if it's that thing on the news. Hey, does your cousin still know that computer guy? I bet he can help us find a buyer...."

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  30. 10% overlap by davidwr · · Score: 1

    and rising by the hour

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  31. obscurity can help by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the tape used a proprietary compression algorithm that would take an adversary either a lot of luck or many weeks to figure out how to decompress it.

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  32. What? Really? Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to ask why are they using tapes when backup drives are so cheap and easy to encrypt. Second why are you taking data offsite in this day and age. even if your data center is in bum fuck nowhere you can send copies of your data via encrypted VPN to an offsite location. I think what you have here is a case of management trying to run IT on as little as possible. They are all soon going to learn that it has cost them more than if the just upgraded.
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    1. Re:What? Really? Wow! by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Upgrade? There's nothing to upgrade to... for backups, LTO tapes (1.2TB capacity per tape) are virtually the be all and end all. Magnetic platter disks are far too unreliable long term (or hell, even medium term) to trust this sort of data to, and sending the backup over the wire to an offsite location would be both prohibitively expensive and take too long (working in a hospital that handles this many records, our backups run to approximately 7TB per day).

      The "wow" is in just how clueless you are as to appropriate usage of backup technologies.

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  33. Can you spell HIPAA? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is a major violation of HIPAA regulations (major as in "complete brain fart").

  34. Use VMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk DUP to the controller, Job done.

  35. For such important data, why not a bonded courier? by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    Geez!

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  36. Absolute BS on hard to encrypt the backup by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    Someone beat the guy over the head with a clue-stick and stop the PR spin-wheel from being so absolute obvious. Just about EVERY enterprise level backup tape system supports built-in hardware encryption! You don't even need your software level stack to do it. The hardware itself encrypts the tape as it writes the data based on the firmware settings you configure on the device. It then automatically de-crypts it when it reads that tape later as it uses the same access keys/settings you gave it originally. So I call complete BS on "it's very hard to encrypt a backup tape" answer...

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  37. CMMI Level 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what you get with a CMMI Level 30 company.

  38. Quote not attributed to SAIC by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    Raley is "director of healthcare solutions at IT integration and security company Axway" and the quote "very hard to encrypt tape" is attributed to him, not SAIC.

    SAIC has not said if the data was encrypted on the tapes or not.

    If you use Axway as a vendor, you should fire them.

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  39. CMMI Level 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is actions like this and projects like OneSAF that really make you question the value of being CMMI Level 30.

  40. Not encrypting == Willful Neglect violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HIPPA/HITECH *mandates* that any backup tapes that are taken out of a secured environment are to be encrypted. No exceptions.

    Someone's car is not a "secured environment".

    Each individual's data that was lost could be a separate violation... corrected violation at $10K each or uncorrected violation at $50K each. It's pretty tough to "correct" when PII data is already lost. Max cap on violations is $1.5 million per year.

    SAIC ought to get the book thrown at them. A high-end encrypting LTO4/LTO5 tape autoloader should be on the minimum equipment list for any enterprise data center that handles PII.

    1. Re:Not encrypting == Willful Neglect violation by Leebert · · Score: 1

      HIPPA

      Rule #1 of HIPAA: If you misspell it, you can't speak authoritatively about it.

  41. The past week by munky99999 · · Score: 1

    Long story short my current job blows very badly. I have been looking at job postings for computer security positions. In the last week I have been seeing lots of SAIC postings.

    Please excuse short url below.

    http://5z8.info/freeanimalporn.com-start-download_h2f2ci_mydick

    Looks like they are hiring security people at a coincidental time. I wonder who got fired or if there was anyone to even get fired.

  42. Again? by djl4570 · · Score: 1

    How many times will tapes be stolen from a car before these people wise up? http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/108101/Update_Thief_nabs_backup_data_on_365_000_patients?taxonomyId=084 About 365,000 hospice and home health care patients in Oregon and Washington are being notified about the theft of computer backup data disks and tapes late last month that included personal information and confidential medical records. In an announcement yesterday, Providence Home Services, a division of Seattle-based Providence Health Systems, said the records and other data were on several disks and tapes stolen from the car of a Providence employee at his home. **** http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/07/26/800000-stolen-social-security-numbers-a-22-year-old-scapegoat/ A 22-year-old intern said today he’s the “scapegoat” for the loss of over 800,000 social security numbers. A backup tape was stolen from his car last month containing at least 770,000 social security numbers (with the corresponding names) for Ohio taxpayers. It also contained the social security numbers for another 64,000 state employees. Today the intern issued a statement with his side of the story. **** http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/patient-billing-records-stolen-utah-hospital Billing records for approximately 2.2 million patients and guarantors were reported stolen this week from the University of Utah Hospitals & Clinics. Backup tapes of patient billing records, which were contained in a metal box, were stolen from a car belonging to an independent storage company, Perpetual Storage, Inc., which is contracted by the healthcare system. The system sends the backup tapes off-site for storage for disaster recovery purposes.

    1. Re:Again? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Use motorbikes instead!

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  43. Oh shit, I RTFA! by billcopc · · Score: 1

    the tapes were stolen from an SAIC employee's car during a burglary the night before.

    What kind of idiot leaves tapes containing confidential data in a car, OVERNIGHT ? I wouldn't even leave a half-eaten sandwich in there overnight...

    Gotta love government, contracting out to the biggest crooks and morons they can find.

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  44. These data breaches are SHOCKING! by nobodyknowsimageek · · Score: 1

    News flash: convenience trumps security and leads to data breach/leakage.
    Our other top story: dog bites man; film at 11.

  45. I've worked with SAIC, I wasn't impressed by plopez · · Score: 1

    I had the misfortune of working with a consulting company who worked for a large oil and gas company doing water quality work. We were supposed to integrate with their EMIS application. First off it was only a month before the rollout that they contacted us to get some real life data. They had mindless inheirted off of air testing data and knew nothing about water testing. This is a marker of OOP newbies. They also didn't understand that the regulatory requirements changed with the seasons due to high flow/low flow in the stream channel and if the farmers and ranchers irrigating. On top of which land owners sometimes added items to the discharge permit to protect their water supply, over and above what the state or the Feds may have required. If they had asked us we would have warned them.

    Eery discharge permit therefore was an individual. At the consulting company I worked at we worked hard to keep from having to modify our applications whenever we got a new permit in. They ended writing a specialized MS Access application to filter the incoming information and get into their data format to be loaded into their database. A DB whose schema left me under-whelmed. They had no clue about data management or modeling.

    So in other words we blew their minds. I went to a couple of meetings and of course the primary development team was in India, far out of touch with their users. The people I met in the US reeked of low bid contractors. The PM team for our client who was in charge of the project was clueless and soon got the "deer in the headlights" look on their faces. The PM team had bought vaporware when other software companies had completed products ready to go.

    So I had the amusement of watching a typical software train wreck from the sidelines. All they had to do was ask us and we could have told them the gory details.

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    1. Re:I've worked with SAIC, I wasn't impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) SAIC is a 40,000 person company organized into many individual groups with a client-based focus. Your experience with SAIC has nothing to do with the hundreds of other groups in SAIC doing different work. Some of these groups have had outstanding and award-winning success. I know. I've been on those teams. I'm sorry you had a bad PM on the SAIC side with India-based outsourced developers. I've never seen or worked with an organization like that in the 15 years I've been an employee.

      2) It's worth mentioning that the idiotic quote about backing up the security tapes was made by an outside security firm (this should alarm you) and not an SAIC employee.

      3) This loss of data is due to shocking negligence and the employee (and possibly his managers depending on their policies and/or lack of enforcement) should be fired immediately.

    2. Re:I've worked with SAIC, I wasn't impressed by plopez · · Score: 1

      But to me it seems part of a pattern. No? I've worked with and for large, Fortune 500, companies as well as small to midsized companies. And in general I was never impressed with the large companies[1]. I'm more impressed with the small to mod-sized companies I've worked for. The employees seemed more dedicated, the company was more nimble, and since they were smaller they couldn't afford to make mistakes and dump money down rat holes like big companies can. In addition there seems to be lots of arrogance they think just because they're big they're good.

      Maybe you should join a smaller company to see what the rest of the world looks like. I've worked in both large and small environments so I can make an informed judgment.

      [1] I've also worked for a large government agency in the USDA. I think I can truthfully say the government agency was more efficient than what I have observed in large companies in the private sector.

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  46. Transporting the key by tepples · · Score: 1

    If it's encrypted, it should be absolutely no problem physically transporting the backups off site yourself.

    Which reduces it to a problem of securely transporting the key.

  47. Lookup 'dumpster diving'. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    It was common. Likely before your time.

    PHB's used to demand regular hard copies of detail that they would never read. Pulling them out of dumpsters was standard corporate espionage. I bet it still is.

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  48. Why no encryption? This is why... by NTT · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a former sysadmin at an Army hospital...
    The tapes in question were probably these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Linear_Tape
    Running backups on a cluster of these babies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_AlphaServer#AlphaServer_SC

    This is essentially a 30 year old platform. Back then, nobody ever imagined identity theft would be such a problem or guessed there would be legislation for HIPPA/PII like we have today.

    1. Re:Why no encryption? This is why... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      So they catch fire if you feed them already encrypted data I take it?

    2. Re:Why no encryption? This is why... by NTT · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Why no encryption? This is why... by NTT · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Why no encryption? This is why... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Taking twice as long to do a backup is hardly catching fire.

  49. Woohoo! by CarlDenny · · Score: 1

    4.3 Million patents gone! Sayonara you innovation starving sunsabitches!

    Wait, what?

  50. Defence Contractor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't they a pretty sizable defense contractor? I can't attest for their current security but I had a relation that worked for them several years ago and at least at that time they had pretty top of the line security precautions. One time use tokens, dedicated computers for remote access, etc. Either they've become lax in their implementation or most of what I saw was for show.

  51. Jesus.... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    Tape backups are trivial to encrypt - the tape just stores data after all and doesn't care if you encrypted it before the tape sees it. Or turn on the encryption option and hope the vendor didn't screw it up.

    Now of course once you have encrypted backups the encryption keys become very important. Losing them at the same time as you lose data you need restored (because you lost the machine where you kept them for one simple retarded scenario) puts you in a world of hurt - so there's some costs/benefits to consider.

    But it is technically trivial, so if you are using Axway for anything it's probably time to find a competent vendor.

    Oh and what idiot decided to link a quote to the article that doesn't contain the quote?!?

  52. afdaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually you select the check box for "encrypt"...real hard. It simply takes more tape space.

  53. They've obviously obfusticated the data, obviously by tibit · · Score: 1

    Retrieving the data on the tapes would require knowledge of and access to specific hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure

    -Who wants to bet that all you need to pull the data out is something like: dd if=/dev/tape | strings, perhaps with conv=ascii given to dd... and maybe gunzip or bunzip2. Sigh. Specific hardware: tape drive and a scsi card. Software: any recent unix would do. Knowledge of data structure: they obviously Huffman-coded all their SQL dumps, right? Haha.

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  54. Re:They've obviously obfusticated the data, obviou by NTT · · Score: 1

    Retrieving the data on the tapes would require knowledge of and access to specific hardware and software and knowledge of the system and data structure

    -Who wants to bet that all you need to pull the data out is something like: dd if=/dev/tape | strings, perhaps with conv=ascii given to dd... and maybe gunzip or bunzip2. Sigh. Specific hardware: tape drive and a scsi card. Software: any recent unix would do. Knowledge of data structure: they obviously Huffman-coded all their SQL dumps, right? Haha.

    I'd take that bet.

    Its not Unix, its OpenVMS.
    The software is written in MUMPS.
    When code looks like this http://www.hardhats.org/history/chcs4.htm you certainly do need to have specific knowledge of the system and datastructure.

    Again, assuming this is the old system that has been in place for 30+ years because with the new system all data is sent to DISA Alabama.

  55. Re:They've obviously obfusticated the data, obviou by tibit · · Score: 1

    The fact that it's VMS is irrelevant I'd think. The fact that MUMPS is involved -- well, everything depends on whether they are taking some sort of a database snapshot, or a dump. If it's a dump, it'll be human readable. If it's a snapshot, I'd still expect it to use some sort of records with strings stored without further ado. Most uncompressed databases I've seen are readable once passed through strings, though data from each row is not necessarily contiguous. All in all, I don't doubt that anyone who cares enough to run the tape through the drive will be able to pull enough data to wreak potential havoc. Especially if they decide that obtaining credit in bulk would be a cool trick to pull off... It's not that complicated to quickly get a few millions worth of credit based on those records. Not with the retarded way credit is handed out in the U.S., anyway. All you need to get a credit card is often just to know someone's address, employer, and SSN, and perhaps an ID if you do it in a brick-and-mortar location.

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  56. Very Hard to Encrypt A Backup Tape? by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Perhaps if you're retarded. Were his records among those stolen? Perhaps we'll be able to check in a couple of months.

    And what the fuck were they doing in an employee's car, to begin with?

    How many HIPAA violations does this incident constitute. At what point does SAIC lose their ability to do business with the US Government?

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  57. Does nobody RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or even read TFS?

    "Tricare did not indicate whether SAIC encrypted the information on the stolen tapes, but Raley said, "It's very hard to encrypt a backup tape." Tricare did not respond to a request for comment on the HIPAA issues. "

    How does one get from that to, "To add insult to injury, evidently the tapes were not encrypted either:"?

  58. consultant / contracts / sub contracts buck passin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    consultant / contracts / sub contracts seem like buck passing. But let the new guy, intern handle holding the off site back up?

    Why not at least give them to a permanent or more long term worker or where they to smart to take responsibility for the back ups. But the intern will do just about any thing to try to get a perm job.

    Now just having some keep the off site in there home and or car is a poor place to cheap out. Now if you want them to take it to a safe off site place have them do as part of the work day + pay for all miles / tolls parking costs. (not on the way home after the end of normal work day schedule) now it ok to have the worker take it to off site by having them leave the office before the end of the normal work day schedule.

  59. Encryption Not so hard . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under HIPAA, lost or stolen media, with an approved, industry standard encryption algorithm, isn't required to be a reported. The fallout will probably go to DoD as the responsible party under HIPAA. SAIC may dodge the direct impact, but they won't make any friends. Given the announcement, encryption probably was never configured, because we "always did this way." There's no mention of the hardware, operating system or database, however, Google helpfully provides one probably configuration. Encryption can easily be done with hardware or the operating system. While you may need specific hardware or the appropriate VMs to read data in a native environment, dumping the raw bits is always an option.

    There have incidents of backup couriers being targeted for theft in the medical and financial industries. Why hack a system when you can just read backups?

  60. Accidentally on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How else can corporations monetize (or transfer to unsavory "clients") personal information they collect on us without looking bad? Or in some cases breaking laws? Capitalism is not about ethics - yeah guess that is just stating the obvious, sorry my bad...

  61. Why are they still in business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $subj. Can someone explain it?

  62. Re:HIPPA Consequences? Yes, but not what you hoped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fined? Pfft! Shortly after this was announced, HHS awarded SAIC another large contract to provide and run computer systems which will contain ... more data covered by HIPPA.

  63. Hard - No. Dangerous maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No its not hard to encrypt them. But guaranteeing you can decrypt them (or even read them) in 10 or 20 years? Most companies I walk into can't even tell you what their current version of backup software is, let alone what they used in 2001.