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Amazon Re-Opens Affiliate Program In California

An anonymous reader writes "Due to Governor Jerry Brown temporarily repealing the tax law opposed by Amazon, the Amazon Associates Program has been brought back to California." Amazon will still have to collect sales tax in California in 2013 unless Congress intevenes before then.

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  1. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by bhlowe · · Score: 2

    Gas taxes?

  2. This is optimistic by anyGould · · Score: 2

    Amazon will still have to collect sales tax in California in 2013 unless Congress intevenes before then.

    Or.. Amazon will happily make their sales tax-free profits until 2013, and then pull out of California again.

  3. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

    You? Why aren't you sending into the state the sales tax you owe without needing Amazon to collect it for you?

  4. Re:way to cave, brown by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not as though they weren't selling in California, they just moved their distribution center to a state with more friendly tax laws.

  5. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by Duradin · · Score: 2

    Perhaps the Californians just don't know they're supposed to pay use tax?

  6. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Amazon isn't the one who owes the sales tax, it's the consumers. If this guy feels the state is being cheated from tax money he should write them a check for what he owes them. He shouldn't need Amazon to do it for him.

  7. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by eepok · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gasoline taxes pay for less and less of California's freeways and roads. This report (http://goo.gl/AgBO0) shows that less than 51% of freeways are paid for by what can be considered as user fees (registrations, gas taxes, etc.). The rest is paid for by bonds and other, unrelated taxes.

    From the paper:

    "The reasons for the decline in the share of highway costs covered by gas taxes and other âoeuser feesâ are not mysterious. The federal gasoline tax and most state gasoline taxes are not indexed for inflation, and the federal gasoline tax has not been increased since 1993. In 1999, federal gasoline and diesel taxes collected $29.8 billion for highways, and in 2008, the same taxes collected $30.6 billion for highways. Adjusted for inflation, the yearly taxes collected between 1999 and 2008 shrank 32 percent, even though we continued to build more new roads and bridges."

  8. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did you pay your use tax for that kindle? If not, you're the fucking sleazy tax dodger.

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  9. Re: Makes me want to burn my kindle by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

    It's not just Amazon, a lot of online retailers don't charge taxes. Here's what everybody in Washington seems to be missing though: A LOT of people buy A LOT of stuff online for the past decade or two. All this stuff used to be in brick and mortar stores getting taxed regularly, now that revenue has completely moved to the private sector, which doesn't do much for the country besides the CEOs like to help the private jet industry from time to time.

    I think as a country we are collecting less tax from internal sales overall, and suddenly the debt skyrockets... but you know, how much do we really care? We can be self-sufficient if things went to shit, your cloth might be more expensive, but it beats the alternative...

  10. Re:Post Office by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

    Why would they need to open anything up. The value of whats being delivered doesn't effect the wear on the roads. They would just have to weigh it.

  11. Congress bails out huge corporations by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    why not make this internet tax holiday that actually benefits regular people permanent?

    1. Re:Congress bails out huge corporations by Dinghy · · Score: 2

      Depends on how you define regular people. If you define regular people as people who work in the retail stores, who are experiencing declining sales and closing locations and losing jobs, then it isn't really a tax holiday that benefits regular people. If you define regular people as people who "cheat" the tax code by not paying the use tax on items purchased online, though, then sure it benefits them. Of course, that's the whole reason the government started forcing business into the role of tax collectors, because you can't trust the average person to pay what they actually owe. :)

  12. Is this good for America? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is about bringing jobs to California, not bringing jobs to America.

    If a company moves from one state to another, does this make our economy somehow better?

    Having states squabble and bicker and compete with each other for business does not help. It only takes up politician's time and adds bureaucracy and adminstration - effort that does not contribute to production.

    Existing companies already have the employees they need to make their product. This is not true in all cases, but as a general rule it works quite well. Jobs come from new companies forming and from newish companies growing big.

    We've done everything possible to stifle new business in this country[1][2], and this is just another card in that deck. Giving a break to an existing company creates a barrier for the creation of a new company which might compete. It makes the existing company weak and complacent.

    If GE pays no taxes, it's hard to start a company making a competing product.

    We could turn the recession around and have a vibrant economy very quickly if we could stop propping up stagnation, and focus on encouraging growth

    [1] Innovation: Patent trolls, nuclear patent portfolios, submarine patents, court district shopping, DMCA, ACTA, losing tech to other countries

    [2] Infrastructure: Rationed internet(data caps), net neutrality, spotty cell coverage, polluted water supply, inscrutable laws, discretionary enforcement, tax complexity, offshoring

  13. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Again, when engaged in interstate commerce, it is a requirement of the seller to collect such sales taxes and remit them to the state.

    Says who?

    Again, it is a shame you didn't learn basic business or take US civics and the interstate commerce clause.

    Now, go to Somalia and live in your Libertarian paradise and stop using my sidewalks, roads, and traffic signs.

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  14. Re:Makes me want to burn my kindle by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

    Again, when engaged in interstate commerce, it is a requirement of the seller to collect such sales taxes and remit them to the state.

    Umm, no.

    Actually, the seller isn't required to collect sales taxes on behalf of a State unless they have a physical presence in the State (a brick and mortar store, for instance).

    This was settled by the Supremes quite a while back when States tried to get Sears to charge sales taxes on catalog orders.

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  15. Re:way to cave, brown by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Maybe because Amazon as a company doesn't benefit from the government provided services that are supposed to be covered by sales tax? Sales tax is often used to pay subsidies for "better" operating procedures, like cleaner operations, employing certain individuals, etc.

    A business without a physical presence in a state does not share those benefits, which is why the SCOTUS said they shouldn't have to pay for them either.

    Excellent.

    Time to start looting Amazon delivery trucks, since they won't be protected by the police, and sell them like any pirate would.

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