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India Launches $35 Tablet

Many readers have submitted stories about a new $35 tablet computer released today in India. The Aakash (meaning sky) has been handed out to 500 students for an initial trial run, if successful a $60 commercial version will hit the shelves later this year. The Aakash computer runs Android 2.2 (Froyo), has a 7-inch touch screen, 256MB of RAM, 32GB expandable memory slot, two USB ports, and weighs in at only 350 grams.

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  1. Take that Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your Kindle Fire is now overpriced by $150.

    1. Re:Take that Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it is. This junker has a 375 MHz processor and a resistive touch screen (meaning stylus). It is much slower than my phone. It gets 3 hours of battery life. It is a toy, and not a very good one.

    2. Re:Take that Amazon by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      Here's the specs:
      --7-inch resistive touch screen = stylus, not fingers
      --Android 2.2 "Froyo"
      --800-x-480-pixel resolution
      --366mhz cpu
      --256mb ram
      --2gb internal storage
      --microSD
      --two USB ports
      --3.5mm headphone jack
      --2100mAh battery that can last up to 3 hours
      --does NOT have access to Android Market


      Here's a dozen detailed photos of the device

      It's not impressive by any means but then again it's not suppose to impress those of us with an iPhone or latest Droid in our pocket, it's designed for the 1+ billion Indians who have never even been on the internet and for first time internet usage I think it'll be fine at that.

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    3. Re:Take that Amazon by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      It's a similar spec to my Nokia 770 (a bit better, but close), which I got in 2005. The RRP was $359.99. Moore's Law says the price of transistors ought to halve every 18 months, so if the other components follow a similar curve I'd expect to be able to get it for a tenth of the original price five years later. It's now a bit over six years later, but presumably some of the parts were already about as cheap as they can be without a major breakthrough in mass production techniques. Actually, the most impressive thing is how bad the battery life is. It comes with a third more battery capacity than the 770 yet the battery doesn't last as long...

      If it has bluetooth, I'd be pretty tempted. The 770 with a folding bluetooth keyboard is great as a little device for running vim that fits in a pocket. It's underpowered for most things, but as a machine to take to write articles with while sitting in a cafe, it's great. At $35, it's basically disposable. If it breaks, I'll only be upset if the data isn't backed up...

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    4. Re:Take that Amazon by NFN_NLN · · Score: 1

      it's designed for the 1+ billion Indians who have never even been on the internet and for first time internet usage I think it'll be fine at that.

      1 billion noobs released all at once onto the interwebs... what could possibly go wrong?

    5. Re:Take that Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the first wave was AOL, now the second will be IOL

    6. Re:Take that Amazon by loosescrews · · Score: 1

      Why does everyone keep saying that resistive touch screens don't work with fingers? I can tell you first hand that they work with fingers, stylus, or anything else vaguely pointed. My phone (Nokia N900) has a resistive touch screen, and I use my fingers on it every day. Sure, fingernails or a stylus work better than finger tips, but there isn't anything stopping you from using your finger tips. I personally consider a resistive touch screen to be a feature, not a disadvantage.

      Using a stylus makes a small screen seem larger because you aren't covering up such a large portion of the screen with a fat finger. This also allows for smaller user interface elements which increases screen real estate for content.

      Capacitive touch screens are the ones with limitations. You can't use a normal stylus on a capacitive touch screen.

  2. Jokes on them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 7in version of my Samsung Transform phone. Jokes on them.

    1. Re:Jokes on them by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like the iPad is 7inch iPhone.

    2. Re:Jokes on them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ipad is 10in, IIRC.

    3. Re:Jokes on them by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And it can't make calls.

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    4. Re:Jokes on them by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Only if you're lazy. I thought this was a geek site?

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    5. Re:Jokes on them by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Somebody hooked up a GSM modem to an iPad? I'll admit, that's pretty damn l33t. Got a source?

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    6. Re:Jokes on them by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Lazy and a strawman argument! Is there anything you can't do?

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    7. Re:Jokes on them by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I know you're talking about some kind of VoIP system (SIP, IAX, and a variety of proprietary system can all work on an iPad). But they're not practical as a cell phone replacement outside of North America and some places in Europe. I really wish they were, but they aren't, and region-specific solutions aren't really solutions.

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    8. Re:Jokes on them by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Force someone to recognize that the Ipad is a giant Ipod Touch, not a giant Iphone?

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    9. Re:Jokes on them by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      My ipad makes calls just fine, never touched one have you.

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    10. Re:Jokes on them by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Apple did. that's what the 3G part of the 3G model is. a GSM modem in there. Uber 1337!

      using skype or other IP telephony app I make phone calls from mine all the time.

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    11. Re:Jokes on them by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Not going down this road again, see here:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2461378&cid=37615968

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    12. Re:Jokes on them by spongman · · Score: 1

      skype's no good?

    13. Re:Jokes on them by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Skype's a toy - nothing wrong with having it but it can't be relied on to replace a cellular connection. The only protocols that could replace a cellular connection are SIP and perhaps IAX.

      The problem is that Skype gives the user even less control than a regular cellular connection. A SIM card is device-agnostic. You put one into a phone with the right specs and you're on. A Skype client can be denied service at any time, even if you're on an open OS - for example outdated Windows clients were kept from connecting at one point until they upgraded. Other OSes were unaffected. The same could happen on any platform, and if you don't get an upgrade you're screwed.

      This way if for business reasons, Skype decides that their client for the iPad or whatever you're using (even, in theory, something like the N900) should no longer be able to make calls to anything but Skype users or remove the capability entirely, there's nothing you can do.

      With SIP on the other hand, SIP is device-agnostic, it's an open protocol so trying to identify a client platform would be useless, and there are many SIP providers to choose from, and what you can do with SIP is limited by little more than your imagination. If we all switched to SIP tomorrow, voice calls would be as free and open as emails. SIP providers allow you to link SIP to the existing phone system, but that's just legacy tech as far as SIP is concerned.

      IAX is just as open and gets around the problem of SIP being designed for an ideal IPv6 world where every device is connected straight to the Internet - IAX runs on a single port so the traffic doesn't get mangled by half the firewalls and NAT devices out there. It's just not as popular.

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    14. Re:Jokes on them by spongman · · Score: 1

      it can't be relied on to replace a cellular connection.

      kinda like AT&T then?

  3. Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? They're going to make a profit? WTF? I thought this was teh Android!?!?!?!?!?! Where is free? Where is the spirit of open sores???

    1. Re:Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple fanboi butthurt?

    2. Re:Fail by eepok · · Score: 1

      It's $35 after government subsidy. It's been a government research program to close the tech gap between the rich and the not-so-rich.

  4. Cool by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    So it's a $35 tablet that costs $60 then?

    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just like how the "$99 computer" in the movie of the same name was built using military-grade components that could have easily cost thousands of dollars each. But the fact that they found one such part lying on a shelf meant that they didn't have to factor it into their costs at all - they could just keep magically finding hologram projectors tucked away on some dusty shelf and say it's a $99 computer, despite the fact that buying new components to build it in any respectable quantity would mean paying many thousands of dollars for it. But I digress. Yes, good catch.

    2. Re:Cool by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Yes, much like the OLPC was a $100 dollar computer that cost $400 for an individual to purchase.

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    3. Re:Cool by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

      "$60 commercial version" meaning it will probably have better hardware. Government giveaways are always cheaper than what the public can buy in both cost and quality.

    4. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says the $35 tablet is subsidised. I guess the $60 commercial version will not be subsidised.

    5. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, they probably want to actually make a profit on the commercial version. I read on The Register that they cost something like $38 to make.

    6. Re:Cool by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

      Yes, much like the OLPC was a $100 dollar computer that cost $400 for an individual to purchase.

      Yes, but you got two of them for that price, evenm though you only got to keep one.

      So, it was a $100 computer that cost $200 that cost $400.

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    7. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even then, that is pretty damn good considering the specs., $35 or $60.
      Wonder how well (or bad) it performs.

    8. Re:Cool by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      The commercial version is almost certainly subsidized too, but obviously not as much. It says the government plans on purchasing 100,000. So since they aren't even manufacturing them in bulk yet, the real-world price isn't even known. However for them to have set an exact price for both shows that the government is willing to kick in to some extent to meet a specific price point.

      As the article more tactfully states, these things might be unusable junk. They probably use the cheaper (and less patent incumbered) resistive touch screens, and obviously they won't be including the best in battery technology either.

      Also, the slashdot story contains more information than the linked article provides. Wonder what the source of those hard numbers is?

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    9. Re:Cool by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Profit margin?

    10. Re:Cool by unrtst · · Score: 1

      What specs? The linked article has less info on that than the summary (where'd the summary get that info?).
      I'd agree that $35 for a 7" touchscreen that does anything is pretty good, and maybe it is worth $60, but I can't find any specs to support that.

    11. Re:Cool by eepok · · Score: 1

      From the wiki:

      Operating system Android 2.2
      Power Internal rechargeable non-removable lithium-polymer battery

      CPU 366 Mhz processor ;on chip Graphics accelerator and HD Video processor

      Storage capacity 2GB (Internal)Flash memory, expandable upto 32 GBmicroSD

      Memory 256 MB LP-DDR2/DDR2

      Display 7-inch ; 800x480 reolution

      Input Multi-touch resistive touchscreen display, headset controls

      Connectivity Wi-Fi connectivity ;GPRS

    12. Re:Cool by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Government giveaways are always cheaper than what the public can buy in both cost and quality.

      Medicare is a hell of a lot better than what a 67 year old man with colon cancer can buy on the "open market".

      And Social Security is a hell of a lot better than the private pensions available to a 58 year-old grocery store clerk. Or a 58 year old programmer, for that matter.

      So no, government "giveaways" are not always cheaper (in terms of quality) than what the public can buy. However, they are usually "cheaper" in terms of actual cost.

      The administrative costs of a private pension is usually around 12-18%. Social Security's administrative costs are about 2.5 - 3%. Private health insurance administrative costs are anywhere from 15-60% (and that's before you add in the profits). Medicare's administrative costs are less than 3% (unless you read the right-wing "think tank" websites, where you will learn that Medicare's administrative costs are a million gazillion percent higher than the altruistic health insurance companies).

      My wife, who is a skydiver who used to belong to the national skydiving team of a formerly socialist eastern european country, has often told me how the gear that the US military "gives" its members is almost always superior to anything you can buy in the store. She was jumping in Hawaii once with a bunch of US military and one of the guys on the US team gave her his standard issue backpack. She's still got it and the quality of construction and design beats anything I've seen available commercially.

      Now that we've cleared up your misconception about "government giveaways", we should work on your misunderstanding regarding your usage of the term "giveaway". Learn the difference between getting something for free and having the costs shared by society as a whole.

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    13. Re:Cool by eepok · · Score: 1

      It's a beneficent project, subsidized by the government, for the sake of bringing digitally-assisted education to the masses. They're not concerned with profit margin. They care about being able to afford their goals.

    14. Re:Cool by BriggsBU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at the state of Medicare and Social Security, though. They are operating at a horrible loss and probably won't even exist in their current form in the next 20 years. People constantly tout Medicare and Social Security as the model for how things should be done, but they are only surviving due to the influx of money from a generation that will likely never gain any benefit from them.

    15. Re:Cool by slapout · · Score: 0

      Except that Social Security has no money.

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    16. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Social Security has plenty of money.

      It is currently taking in more than it spends, it also has more in assets that it received, and that trend won't be done for several more decades, and they'll still have a chance to fix that problem until after 2038.

    17. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even *remotely* true. Stop parroting neocon lies. Spreading politically-motivated falsehoods only hurts America. Why do you want to hurt us?

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/08/no-governor-perry-social-security-is-not-a-ponzi-scheme/

    18. Re:Cool by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Social Security may or may not still have been a healthy, going concern - if the politicians hadn't raided it multiple times, for money to dump into general funds and/or special funds. I've forgotten how many times SS has been raided, or what it adds up to. But, the fact that they raid it only shortens the life of the program. Billions, that should have been drawing interest, have been pilfered. So, SS lost that capital, plus all the accrued interest.

      Yeah, it was a pyramid scheme from the start, but chopping off the top of the pyramid doesn't help things at all.

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    19. Re:Cool by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks for all that extensive effort you spent to prove your controversial thesis that an agency that can tax peter to pay you can provide a better value than an enterprise that has to be self-sustaining.

      I totally never would have guessed that I'd be able to make a profit while giving stuff away, if I had the power to tax. Just blows my fucking mind.

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    20. Re:Cool by slapout · · Score: 1

      Then why did Obama say "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3 if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it".

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    21. Re:Cool by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Except that Social Security has no money.

      Social Security has several trillion dollars. It doesn't keep it all piled up in a vault, but like any large corporation or bank has it stored in AAA-rated US Treasury Bonds.

      If you had a million dollars in US Treasury Bonds, guess what? You'd be a millionaire.

      Besides that, Social Security is still taking in more money than it sends out. Social Security has not contributed one penny to the budget deficit. Please get your facts straight.

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    22. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negative profit margin for India. You can't expect them to subsidize it abroad. But without this huge order, the unsubsidized price would probably be higher.

    23. Re:Cool by tmosley · · Score: 2

      Yes, and communism would have worked if only it had been run by angels.

    24. Re:Cool by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Exactly, they have plenty of money the way there are plenty of cookies in the cookie jar. Mama put a bunch in, and only took a couple out, but if you open it up and look, all there are are IOUs in there (ie they bought US treasuries, meaning the money was put into the central fund and spent, and now taxpayers have to pay to keep Social Security going in real time).

      If a private company had done such a thing, the whole board would be under the jail.

    25. Re:Cool by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Scare Tactics?

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    26. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SS is operating at a profit. Medicare is operating at a loss by statute (that is, the way it's written in law, it's impossible for it to turn a profit, no matter how well-run the program is), so it's not a matter of inefficiency, as the lunatic-right asserts, but a matter of the lunatic-right adding in amendments sabotaging the programs, then lying about their failings. We are being told what we should want from our elected officials, rather than telling them what we do want. It's bakwards, and why the US will be a 3rd world country in under 20 years. With all the efforts of Jenny McCarthy, we'll even have the pestilence and such as well, and we'll deserve it.

    27. Re:Cool by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      This, exactly this. Selling them abroad will bring the batch size up, and push the per-unit price down. That's how they're likely going to reach the $35 cost target.

    28. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The differences in administrative costs and profit have nothing to do with whether the system is paid directly by the insurees or by taxes.

      But, even ignoring that, the insurance industry doesn't operate like an idealized perfect free market, since they've got you by the balls and it's literally a life or death matter. They can charge you everything you have, plus some, because otherwise you die. That's what enables the growth of their administrative costs and profit; they have no incentive to reduce either. Thus their rates have been outpacing inflation for decades now.

      However - and you would probably be among the first to agree on this - the federal government has a comparatively colossally hard time raising taxes, and has in fact been steadily lowering taxes for a decade now, and on average lowering taxes over several decades. Isn't it funny? In some ways, the government operates more like a free economy than the actual corporations do; we can directly vote out a huge chunk of the government, but have only very indirect influence on the larger corporations in many markets. (When there are only three choices, offering the same service for the same price at the same quality, "vote with your money" doesn't work). This is great incentive for the government-run programs to be run as efficiently as possible. (And as you may have noted, if you read into accusations about social security and medicare budgets, it's not about the system itself being inefficient; it's about third parties trying to defraud it. A problem that the private insurers have too.)

    29. Re:Cool by terrox · · Score: 0

      Government funded social programs are not meant to make a profit, that would go against the whole point of subsidy. You know, giving money to something that can not afford to exist - human decency, paying a few bucks in tax to avoid seeing people die on the street on your way to work.

    30. Re:Cool by twothousand · · Score: 1

      Like the 9 O'clock train will leave at 10:00.

    31. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's a $35 tablet that costs $60 then?

      This is a 60$ tablet that costs 35$.

      $60 commercial version" meaning it will probably have better hardware. Government giveaways are always cheaper than what the public can buy in both cost and quality.

      The taxpayers in india bear the rest of the cost. And yeah, the rich dont get it at 35$. :-/ Other than that, there is no difference between the 35$ one and the 60$ one.

      What it means to India?
      The rural india is close to what the world was in 1970. Most schools dont even have teachers. The sole purpose of this device is to provide educational infrastructure. Had i got this tablet in 1970, i wouldn't complain about the speed and looks of the device, Will i? Yeah, these children wouldn't either. :-)

    32. Re:Cool by slapout · · Score: 1

      According to that article: "Here is the real story of Social Security in one sentence: It is underfunded and badly needs to be modernized but even if Washington does nothing, young people will receive three-quarters of their promised benefits"

      So I pay in money and only get 3/4 of it back? That sounds like a losing deal to me.

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  5. Useful gadget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    They can use it to watch the Chinese launch the space station in between calls from frustrated Americans who need helping working their computers.

    1. Re:Useful gadget! by BangaIorean · · Score: 2

      What's more retarded than either, is an idiotic slashdotter sitting in his mom's basement, gorging on big mac and diet coke, typing stuff which he doesn't know shit about.

      Use some brains - the reason this is being produced is not to "desperately imitate what happened decades ago". It is to provide millions of poor students an opportunity to buy their own tablet/computing device.

    2. Re:Useful gadget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure. Which one was the USA again?

    3. Re:Useful gadget! by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Imitating is fine and does in fact produce lots. It's what students spend years doing - replicating work that has already been done. Or do you think that each computer science student is forging new ground in finite automata and that physics students are developing the mathematics needed for relativity?

      There's a huge difference between knowing that something can be done and knowing how to do it. There's a huge difference between knowing how to do something and actually doing it. If you want to build on it and make advances replicating what has already been done is the best first step. It's how you build up the know how and experience - with the huge advantage that you actually know it is possible.

    4. Re:Useful gadget! by mark_elf · · Score: 1

      I got lost too :(

    5. Re:Useful gadget! by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Imitating is fine and does in fact produce lots.

      Imitating is fine and does in fact produce lots.

      ...Ahh look!!! A lot!!

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    6. Re:Useful gadget! by alantus · · Score: 1

      What is even more retarded is assuming that "desperately imitate what happened decades ago" was referring to India producing the tablets rather than China launching a space station.

    7. Re:Useful gadget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      After you're done hyperventilating, read my post again. I'm making fun of the hysterical geeks crying at their keyboards that China is going to send a few people up in a tin can. Geeks have a religion called Space Nuttery which teaches that progress can only come from manned space missions, when in fact this is a lie. But they earnestly believe that rockets and computers came into existence from a vacuum and that we only have computers today because a few highly trained pilots pulled some levers and pressed some buttons inside automated tin cans in the 1960s.

      This is offensive because it completely ignores the reality of the history of technology. More technical progress came out of WWII than ever came from space. In fact, we had to have a lot of technology BEFORE we went into space.

      I mean, it's trivial to show that Russia, who beat America in almost every significant space milestone, is somehow not regarded as a technical leader or a desirable country to live in. Just because a country has a space program, means nothing for the populace, and a country that has no space program is just as advanced as any other. There's no correlation, but to listen to the Space Nutters it's the only thing that matters.

      They keep referring to all the benefits of going to the Moon but there weren't any. We had computers and Teflon before Apollo. Space stations are basically orbiting bike shacks. Big deal. Meaningless stunts that produce nothing.

      What's even funnier is that Space Nutters keep referring to the need of the _species_ to colonize other planets but their provincial racism comes to the surface immediately when it's the bad Chinese going into space. They're not the same species, apparently. Only giant, phallic metal tubes with big, bold "USA" painted on them need apply.

    8. Re:Useful gadget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, your parent already had had sex, so why do you still want to do it?

  6. Take that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple sucks. Long live to India and China. \o/

    1. Re:Take that by Trilkin · · Score: 1

      I don't know about "Long live China" as most of the stuff they make falls apart. We'll see about India.

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  7. Royalties?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much are the software royalties worth? Sounds like the hardware is free!

  8. Real life measure of 350 grams by Insightfill · · Score: 1

    For you/we Americans, 350 grams is a fraction under the weight of a 12 ounce can or pop/soda.

    (weird note: the can of Coke in front of me says caffeine content is 46mg/12 fl oz. Way to go and mix your units!)

    1. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by LMacG · · Score: 1, Informative

      Fluid ounces measure volume not weight/mass.

      350 gms = 12.35 oz

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    2. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For you/we Americans, 350 grams is a fraction under the weight of a 12 ounce can or pop/soda.

      (weird note: the can of Coke in front of me says caffeine content is 46mg/12 fl oz. Way to go and mix your units!)

      That is weird. Mine says it too. Coke Zero: 34mg/12 fl oz. However, here in the US, drugs and nutritional facts use metric measurements. So, the mix of units makes sense from the way of saying 34mg per Unit (Units measured in 12 fl oz.). Now, it would be weird if it where 2.83mg/fl oz., that would be a dick move.

    3. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by OddThinking · · Score: 1

      I believe he was referring to mixing metric and imperial units, not mass vs. volume.

    4. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 g of water = 1 mL of water.

      granted, while the sugar water that is soda is slightly more dense than just water, it's still a fair enough comparison.

      12 oz (volume) can of soda ~= 340 ml ~= 340 g (mass) of soda.

    5. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      As a child-post post points out, 1ml of pure water at 4C weighs 1g, and the weight of the bubbles, sugar, etc. are not of consequence since this is an approximation.

      355ml = approx 355 grams of fluid.

      Oh, I suppose we can add the weight of the can in there. Quick Googling gives it another 16 grams for an empty can. So: now we're up to ~371 grams.

      Still: it's an approximation to give someone the idea of what it really weighs. The other one I use is that a regular disposable water bottle is usually a fraction over a pound when full. So: American pound is a water bottle. True: many are half-liter so it's more like 1.1 pounds, but that's the whole idea of these real-life comparisons: so we don't run around saying things like "it weighs exactly as much as a 12 ounce regulation can of diet Coke with 3/4 of an ounce having already been drunk out of it."

    6. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I believe I'd like to see you try. Actually I'd like to film you trying and upload it to Youtube.

    7. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by EdZ · · Score: 2

      I've used the "1l of water = 1kg" trick to weight a turkey using a 4-pack of bottled water, a broom, a tape-measure, and a chair-back as a pivot. When we found the scales, the value was only about 100g out.

    8. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tis a poor mind that can conceive of only a single solution to a problem. Here's a hint, Poindexter, millions of people fly EVERY DAY! Gosh! Imagine the possibilities!

    9. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I believe I'd like to see you call me Poindexter to my face, although you have pointed out to me that I want to make the world's second most boring Youtube video.

    10. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you could say... you got a momentary reading.

    11. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by unixisc · · Score: 0

      I believe he was referring to mixing metric and imperial units, not mass vs. volume.

      More precisely, the density of the caffeine was spec'ed in metric mass per imperial volume.

    12. Re:Real life measure of 350 grams by julesh · · Score: 1

      weird note: the can of Coke in front of me says caffeine content is 46mg/12 fl oz. Way to go and mix your units!

      So, how many grains of caffeine do you want to limit your consumption to in a day? Would it really help you to know that that can contains 0.7 grains of caffeine?

      Or, in other words, quantity of caffeine consumption is a medical measurement. Medical measurements are made in metric units; this is just the way it is, because doctors have preferred working in metric just-about since the system first became available. However, the concentration of caffeine is only useful if it is given in units that are easy to relate to the amount you're consuming; if that's specified in imperial units, so must the concentration be, otherwise it's almost useless.

      The *only* way to fix this is to switch to metric measurements for retail pack sizes. The medical profession simply is not going to switch back to imperial; it would cost a fortune, and probably more than a few lives. But I can't imagine a US government getting away with proposing metrication, it would just be too unpopular with the idiots^Wvoters.

  9. Tech Support by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, will they outsource their tech support to America?

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    1. Re:Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, will they outsource their tech support to America?

      Sure Sir/Ma'am. Provided you learn at least one of the many Indian languages and talk fluently in it without revealing your native accent.

    2. Re:Tech Support by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hi there pardner, name's, uh, Ranjeep, now wut can I do ya fer with that there tablet thingy?

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    3. Re:Tech Support by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      I wish Indian support could speak English without revealing their native accent.

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    4. Re:Tech Support by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      No, they will never outsource to America. They need to find a market that has trainable workers in.

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    5. Re:Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... They tried. How about you pardner?

    6. Re:Tech Support by BangaIorean · · Score: 1

      They tried, and they can't - tough luck.

      So you'll probably need to learn to understand (and speak) "Indian accent"

    7. Re:Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you tell me ... Ahem...

      backwards F 9 lightning deer!

    8. Re:Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a chance... No one can speak the english like the English do. Not even the bastards born to them in a distant continent.

    9. Re:Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. Come again!

  10. The retail launch is the proof of legitimacy by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like it will have a wholesale price in quantity of $35 then get marked up to $60 for retail which is about right considering the specs. If it actually appears at retail anywhere in the world around that price you know the thing is probably legit. If not, it is just a scam on the Indian govt. We have Solyndra so we can't laugh.

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    1. Re:The retail launch is the proof of legitimacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is everyone picking on Solyndra? If you want to talk about scams on the government, I'm all for it -- but picking one as minor as Solyndra is just pandering.

    2. Re:The retail launch is the proof of legitimacy by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Becasue Solyndra is a perfect poster child for USian FAIL.

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    3. Re:The retail launch is the proof of legitimacy by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      Pretty much the similar thing which is why I mentioned it. If this thing is a scam it was because they could use "for the children" to unlock some sweet sweet taxpayer money from the Indian govt. Meanwhile over here Solyndra used "for the Earth" to unlock half a gigabuck. Imagine that much money for a tablet project. Even at $50 per unit the money we pissed away on Solyndra would have put 10 million tablets into our schools. That would give every K-1 student one and almost every second grader.

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    4. Re:The retail launch is the proof of legitimacy by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Picking on Solyndra because after the failure was clearly projected, White House operatives moved in to change the contract to move investors who happened to also be Democratic donors in front of the taxpayers in case of bankruptcy, in direct contradiction to standing law....and other such minor stuff.

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  11. Looks like a propaganda stunt. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0

    Look, it is not like some private company made this and is planning for a huge release soon. Some government ministry got some 500 samples made and it is optimistically hoping the design could be manufactured for 35$. If it were really possible, the Chinese factories would have turned out millions of them already.

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    1. Re:Looks like a propaganda stunt. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It is real- it is currently being made. It is being made by a real company- a western company in an eastern factory. It really is currently being sold for $50 in India to the gov.

      Whether the price will drop to $35- who knows- they're talking about selling it for $60 in the US (almost double the $35 price-tag) - but that is still HUGE news.

      This will do for the tablet what the assembly line did for cars. It's not just for the rich and the upper middle class anymore. The working man can afford one too- and so can his dog.

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    2. Re:Looks like a propaganda stunt. by zentigger · · Score: 5, Informative

      Chinese factories turn out stuff like this all the time. I have traveled to the South Pacific and you can get a basic smart phone for $20--made in china. They won't sell in the western world for that because they can sell the same piece of junk for $120, or "bundle" it for $20 with a term contract. In most countires in Africa where average household expenditure is less than $300, cell phones are prolific--this certainly is not because people are spending a years worth of wages to buy a phone. Companies will charge what the market will bear.

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    3. Re:Looks like a propaganda stunt. by jandrese · · Score: 2

      They don't sell in the west because those phones are poorly designed pieces of crap that don't work properly, have terribly battery life, and break after a couple of months of gentle use.

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    4. Re:Looks like a propaganda stunt. by randomErr · · Score: 1

      You mean China didn't 'borrow' one of these and start reverse engineering one yet?

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  12. tablet market is going to go crazy. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, tablets are about to go crazy selling. In addition, it appears that Linux is about to be EVERYWHERE.

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    1. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      ... it appears that Linux is about to be EVERYWHERE.

      Aside from phones and desktops, It already is everywhere. It runs the internet.

    2. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

      Are you saying that 2012 will be "the year of Linux on the desktop", that I keep hearing so much about.

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    3. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, tablets are about to go crazy selling. In addition, it appears that Linux is about to be EVERYWHERE.

      With a bunch on proprietary software on top...

    4. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      Its definitely year of linux on the phone and router, and it could be year of linux on the tablet. On the desktop? not so much.

    5. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Aside from phones

      Hmm, Android and webOS?

    6. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by afabbro · · Score: 1

      It runs the internet.

      That is a ridiculous statement. One could easily say that Cisco IOS runs the Internet. More IP packets pass through Cisco gear (running Cisco's proprietary O/S) than Linux kernels.

      Maybe you mean webservers...but "the Internet" != "the Web".

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    7. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My tablet, phone, and router are on my desktop, you insensitive clod!

    8. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I am fine with that. let them move closed source software to Linux. And as long as the app is better than on Windows.

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    9. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by daemonc · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm from the year 2015, and what's a "desktop"?

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    10. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, definitely. It will also be the year of the death of the desktop.

    11. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      and all DVD player,s bluray player, all HDTV's etc... makes the windows fanbois cry at night....

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    12. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      It's the top part of your desk. underneath all your 3d porn.

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    13. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      Yeah OK, there are switches and wires and telephone poles and underground cables and satellites. We were talking OS's and I meant servers.

    14. Re:tablet market is going to go crazy. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      My router runs Linux. Not the same version is shipped with, but it did ship with Linux installed.

  13. Great price untill... by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

    Apple decides to file a patent suit claiming "the corners are round."

    1. Re:Great price untill... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Hey don't give 'em any ideas.

      Tablet makers should give everything crazy bladed corners like the tech in Metalocalypse as a fuck-you to Apple.

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    2. Re:Great price untill... by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      I would TOTALLY buy a DethPad

    3. Re:Great price untill... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      To follow the tradition of the DethPhone, it should also have spikes around the screen that stab you in the wrist every time you use it.

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    4. Re:Great price untill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, Apple can try, India wont give fuck.

      Developing nations have not sold everything to the big corps and lawyers (yet), unlike the first wold countries.

    5. Re:Great price untill... by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      DethPad as in DethNote?

      What could possibly go wrong?

      *swipe over a name to kill him/her - pinch to specify details*

  14. A containerload of cheap Chinese 7" tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $35/unit is probably about par for the course.

  15. Re:Will go nowhere by Tsingi · · Score: 0

    You can do better than that, keep trying.

  16. Remaindered tablets pretty close in price by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    There's a local remaindering shop which has the Pandigital tablets for $79.99.

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  17. The real purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hi,
    I would like to provide a background for this. The tablets are an endevaour by the Indian Government to reach out to the farmers as a means of communication to advise them about crops and similar kind of work. It is NOT meant to compete on the market with other tablets for normal functionality. I guess, the most important function would be video streaming to show tutorial videos on how to handle crop and inject them with pesticides and such and may be stream other lectuers. To get a background on what kind of exercise is this and wonders its necessity, you might like to visit NPTEL where free lectures are made available by IIT faculty on various college courses (both undergraduate and postgraduate). Due to the population, it is very difficult to reach students and farmers individually so this is the type of "distance education".

    For example, in this age also audio lectures are transmitted over radio for anyone to listen by the Indira Gandhi Open University for people who want to study on their own but cannot attend a college as there is probably none in the region they can try to reach.

    As it may or may not be common knowledge, software patents per se, are not valid in India. You can patent your code, not your idea (which is pretty pointless). There are certain workarounds the legal system as usual is the case. But ideas and software algos are not patentable per se. So patent encumbered thing might not be a really big issue here. I don't know about resistive or capacitive touch screens though.

    How successful it is we all are sceptical (due to corruption and all the issues). But this is the main idea behind it. If it succeeds we would be very happy.

    1. Re:The real purpose by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I'd hope the screen is resistive in this case - it's what you want for field use anyway, so that it can be used in working gloves, with dirty hands etc.

    2. Re:The real purpose by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      The tablets are an endevaour by the Indian Government to reach out to the farmers as a means of communication to advise them about crops and similar kind of work.

      I hope it's to tell them not to buy from Monsanto, and not the reverse.

    3. Re:The real purpose by CalcuttaWala · · Score: 1

      God Forbid that NPTEL be the kind of content that is dished out through these tablets! The farmers -- if at all they were the target for this product -- would immediately throw away the tablets in desperation and frustration if they are forced to watch the kind of utterly boring and worthless trash that is dished out through these "IIT lectures". On the other hand, if the product is reliable and stable, then it can be a real force multiplier to the humble mobile phone that has changed the commercial and personal communication landscape of a large yet poor country and introduce a whole new category of users to the information and entertainment that is currently available to a small part of the population.

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    4. Re:The real purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indian education system is tuned to create employees and NOT employers.

    5. Re:The real purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the the farmers discovered...

      Angry Birds, and no crops were ever grown again.

    6. Re:The real purpose by gregsim · · Score: 2

      The tablets are an endevaour by the Indian Government to reach out to the farmers as a means of communication to advise them about crops and similar kind of work.

      I don't understand how the farmers are going to receive this information since bandwidth is limited and expensive in India. I am working near the city of Vadodara in Gujarat. Where I stay at a 5 star hotel, the Internet costs $12 per day and sometimes the bandwidth sinks so low it is unusable. My iPhone 4 works great with 3G in the city, but just outside the city where I work, there is only EDGE connection and even if the connection is strong, the available Internet bandwidth is almost nonexistant. Is there 3G capability in this cheap tablet? Where are these farmers getting the wifi connection? Then how do they pay for the bandwidth if they can get it? The daily headline here is that people in the villages don't make enough money to eat.

  18. For that price... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    For that price $60 ($35 definately) this could be revolutionary.

    You're hitting a price that anyone for whom this would be beneficial can afford it. Any office worker could send the doc they've been working on and take it to a meeting. Any foreman can take it out to show a worker without worrying about someone's hammer mis-swinging and smashing the screen (can be replaced).

    Places where you wouldn't want to risk an expensive tablet getting damaged- you can risk one of these.

    Currently most people unless they are rich, technophiles, or show-offs don't have a tablet. At this price the trend will reverse. EVERYONE will have a tablet. You don't need to be a tech-lover, rich, or snobby.

    Those who can afford the expensive Kindle Fire- and the iPad will still do so- because they are much better- but now there is a tablet for everyone... and the world will doth rejoice- because now everybody can be cool.

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    1. Re:For that price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what would be revolutionary? People learning to spell "definitely".

    2. Re:For that price... by iroll · · Score: 2

      Or, nobody will use it because it's junk. Have you ever noticed how everybody in the world is getting cell phones that are cheap--practically disposable, even--and yet perfectly functional? Can you tell me how many of these phones were the product of some kind of design-a-phone-for-poor-people initiatives?

      I'll hazard a guess that the answer is zero.

      What happened with cell phones was that the price and quality of commodity parts finally hit a sweet spot where everybody could afford a phone that they actually wanted.

      Nobody tried (succesfully, anyways) to cobble together the cheapest junk possible into a barely useable "poor folks' phone." The idea of using a massive government purchase to drive down the commodity price sounds good in theory, but didn't work for the OLPC, and won't work for yet another Indian tablet-for-the-masses, because nobody wants the product that they're trying to make.

      What will bring tablet computing to the masses--assuming the masses find any value in them--are the true commodity tablets that are starting to emerge from China, that are taking advantage of the price declines from the mass production of Kindles and iPads.

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    3. Re:For that price... by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I agree, at that price it looks like tablets could get as commonplace in real life as they were in Star Trek.

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    4. Re:For that price... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Yea, you should definitely consider upgrading the OS on a phone and selling it to a friend if they say they need a new phone. Android is particularly good for this.

  19. What kind of touchscreen? by grnbrg · · Score: 1
    [ ] Crappy
    [ ] Really crappy
    [ ] "You've got to be kidding me!" crappy

    Even from TFA:

    "The thing with cheap tablets is most of them turn out to be unusable," Rajat Agrawal of technology reviewers BGR India told Reuters news agency.

    "They don't have a very good touch screen, and they are usually very slow."

    You can already get really cheap chinese android tablets on EBay, and they're almost usable. Except for the touchscreens on them. At this price point, you can't get adequate enough quality for real use.

    1. Re:What kind of touchscreen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > you can't get adequate enough quality for real use.

      You can. They are not as pleasurable to use. So they may not be good as luxury devices for US customers.
      But for a person who cannot afford a computer otherwise and has only narrow utility in mind (educational videos, reading documents), the issues won't be noticeable because he/she has not been spoilt by capacitance screens yet. The way you put it, every PDA before the iPhone was not "adequate quality for real use".

    2. Re:What kind of touchscreen? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      You can already get really cheap chinese android tablets on EBay, and they're almost usable. Except for the touchscreens on them. At this price point, you can't get adequate enough quality for real use.

      What you and I would consider usable, and what someone who might have to save up for months to get one of these would consider usable are to very, very different things.

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    3. Re:What kind of touchscreen? by afabbro · · Score: 1

      You can already get really cheap chinese android tablets on EBay, and they're almost usable.

      And some at Walgreen's (Walgreen's? Yes, Walgreen's) that are not.

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    4. Re:What kind of touchscreen? by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      I think is not meant for your "quality real use" market.

      Irony is that the device is created to extend the penetration of distance education in India, not for bloggin about your sandwich or twetting about your facebook update about your blog post.

      Being a piece or Really Crappy hardware theres no doubt it will be more useful to more people than every single iPad Galaxy Tab And DerpBook created.

  20. Good. Build up passive media consumption there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all tablet "computers" are good for. Passive media consumption and limited communication.
    Almost no creation of content, and certainly _NO_ creation of capability (I.E. programming).

    Here comes a huge marketing demographic...

  21. think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In India they give their kids computers in school. In the US we give our kids condoms and clean needles.

  22. Re:Good. Build up passive media consumption there. by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I wrote my TUG 2003 paper on a pen computer running Windows:

    http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb24-2/tb77adams.pdf

    And I program scripts, and HyperCard-like things using it as well:

    http://mysite.verizon.net/william_franklin_adams/portfolio/interfaceconcepts/proportionbar.zip
    http://mysite.verizon.net/william_franklin_adams/portfolio/interfaceconcepts/proportionbar.app.sit

    And it's very useful for drawing --- I draw up plans for woodworking projects among other things:

    http://www.3riversarchery.com/images/Contest2010/WilliamAdamsTakeDownCase.jpg

    It helps of course, that I'm using a full-fledged Tablet PC (to be specific a Fujitsu Stylistic 4121 w/ daylight viewable display --- I also use it as a map viewer when travelling).

    William

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  23. Usability by TreeInMyCube · · Score: 1

    When I heard the BBC story this morning, the interviewee (in India) was worried that the tablet was so under-spec'ed to be unusable. How much speed and memory do you need to run a passable e-reader? If they can use it for basic math, science, and language instruction textbooks, it will be a win. If they can run the arithmetic learning app that I've seen on the iPad2 commercials -- where the kids use their fingers to write the answers to addition/subtraction programs -- it will be a win. The logistics of supplying hundreds of millions of textbooks to all the various schools must be a nightmare. If each student can bring his/her tablet to school, they can download the books they need. And not the old, fraying books from 1985, either.

    1. Re:Usability by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Touchscreens that aren't totally worthless cost money. Not only do you have to have enough pixels to display text with modest clarity (not that hard these days), but you need a digitizer that isn't a nightmare to use.

      There's a reason your signature always comes out so crappy on those supermarket signature pads. It's not because you can't write (well, maybe), but it's because the touchscreen is cheaply made and poorly calibrated. There's basically no chance of making your signature legible on one of those without serious practice in getting around the limitations of the device. Students are going to be frustrated at trying to interact with a device that has such poor input as well. They'll probably be largely ignored or used for passive slideshow type applications (Full Motion Video being probably too much for them).

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    2. Re:Usability by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

      I used to use a Sharp Clio as an e-reader many years ago - a WinCE device like 80MHz, 16MB Ram. You don't need anything fancy to display text and browse the intertubes at all. Its only shor-tcomming was its horrible horrible viewing angle. I even scanned textbooks and used it to recall the images from a CF card. Wifi even worked with a PCMCIA card, but since the OS was so old no divers exist(ed) for WEP/WPA networks.

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    3. Re:Usability by shibashaba · · Score: 1

      You do realize that 8 mHZ computers could display text? All your quadcore 500ghz toaster does on a daily basis is compensate for the millions of layers of abstraction that is called computer programming these days.

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    4. Re:Usability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but at 8 millihertz I think it would take a while to display just one letter.

    5. Re:Usability by shibashaba · · Score: 1

      Yeah, your right. It's been awhile.

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  24. Excellent! Can't wait to get one! by eepok · · Score: 1

    There's been plenty of discussion about the tablet over the last year and a half. Much conjecture about whether it would happen ( http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/india-35-tablet/ ). But what struck me most when all the jabber started was the enthusiasm of one minister: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10740817 .

  25. GPL Compliance by Microlith · · Score: 1

    This has roughly the same extremely mediocre specs as most of the cheap Chinese tablets. I wonder if this company will comply with the GPL, in contrast to the vast majority of Chinese vendors who either hold the kernel sources ransom (after giving you a binary) or refuse to release them at all.

  26. hmmm by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    with an $60 commercial pricetag, it's not even cheap anymore, as you can get an even better one (better specs) for around the same price if you shop a bit around..

  27. Good News by ckmajor · · Score: 1

    This might be an insignificant piece of shit compared to iPad, Galaxy Tab or Kindle for folks living in rich countries in North America,Europe and parts of Asia. But imagine what this could mean to billions living in the third world countries in Africa, Asia and South America . Some what crappy, yet an affordable tablet running Android 2.2.... Something better than nothing.

  28. Replace my clocks by Intropy · · Score: 2

    I would pay $35 for an alarm clock with an adjustable face, on which I can check my email, and that I can use to write myself quick notes or check a web page. I'd probably buy five of them to put all over the house.

    1. Re:Replace my clocks by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why not pay $99.00 and get a really cool one.

      Chumby is your friend.

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  29. Oddly Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The company that makes them is based in Montreal so I can only imagine what kind of support you're going to get...

    Tabernac! To confighur is so heazy, you just press un bouton!

    1. Re:Oddly Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and fuck you English pigdog.
      Now go away or I will taunt you a second time.

  30. OLPC pricing was for *two* devices by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Informative

    The OLPC cost $400 because you were buying two devices. the second device was your donation through the Give One Get One program. It was the only way you could buy them.

    The reason the devices cost $200 each was because the OLPC suffered a bit of feature creep and bad pricing projections on components.

    The idea was that volume sales would bring pricing down more closely to the $100 level. I will mention that both Microsoft and Intel tried their best to derail the project*

    [*] - http://news.cnet.com/Negroponte-Windows-key-to-OLPC-philosophy/2100-1016_3-6215837.html

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    1. Re:OLPC pricing was for *two* devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This must be some *new* definition of the word "donation" of which I was previously unaware.

    2. Re:OLPC pricing was for *two* devices by julesh · · Score: 1

      donate verb (used with object)
      1. to present as a gift, grant, or contribution [...] to a fund or cause

      Seems to match pretty well to the third subsense of that common definition of donate. I'll allow that it isn't a gift, and "grant" may or may not fit. But it quite clearly is a contribution to a cause.

  31. At $20/hour? by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Occupy Wall Street Movement wants Americans to make $20/hour (whether they work or not), so providing tech support for a $35 device at over $20/hour would be a neat trick.

    1. Re:At $20/hour? by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      you just need a very reliable tablet and only sell it the tech savy.

    2. Re:At $20/hour? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Thanks for linking that page, it is a brilliant piece of troll-work. I would like my $20/hr min wage for doing nothing now, please.

  32. Big deal, Deal Extreme have had these for a long.. by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    ...time now, just check this out:

    Since the Indian model are planned to be sold commercially for 60 bucks, with those poor specs...check out these android pads for 79 bucks:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-2-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-tf-arm-v5-349-79mhz-70053

    I've seen the same tablet, sold for 59$ when they have specials, so it's certainly possible. And this one is feature ladden.

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  33. Funny... by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    that sounds exactly like the phones they sell here.

  34. The real price of phones by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    > Have you ever noticed how everybody in the world is getting cell phones that are cheap--practically disposable, even--and yet perfectly functional?

    Every actually priced a cell phone? Didn't think so. You are paying a lot more than you think for that shiny toy, they just figured out you will swallow $200 up front and finance the rest over two years a lot better than $499 up front. Or did you think cell service alone is why your bill is as high as it is? Ever wondered why people with 'good credit' who can qualify for a contract phone pay more than the poor schlubs with their TracPhones? It is because the TracPhone is crap and you are making notes on an expensive phone. If you bring your own phone and look for the deals (because they don't want to publicise the notion) you can get monthly service at reasonable rates. T-Mobile just started selling a plan at Wallyworld for $30/month that gives you 5GB of 4/3G data, unlimited 2G after that, unlimited text and a hundred minutes of talk, device not included. Most people are getting a $30/month surcharge just for data or to be allowed to buy a smartphone if they are on contract.

    That said, if one knows where to look on eBay you can find Android phones at reasonable prices now, just don't expect to find a current, name brand, flagship one for less than a few hundred.

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    1. Re:The real price of phones by iroll · · Score: 1

      Ever consider that I wasn't talking about the States? Didn't think so. Hint: the article was about India, not Indiana.

      People in Nigeria, India, or any other massive developing nations aren't paying $200 for a smart phone with a 2 year hitch. They weren't buying cell phones when they first came out, either. They started buying cell phones when the price and functionality hit a sweet spot, and they buy millions of them.

      The same could be true for tablets in the near future; personally, I won't be surprised if the functionality of cheap 3rd world phones paces what the consumer wants and can afford, making tablets a non-starter.

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    2. Re:The real price of phones by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every actually priced a cell phone?

      Mine cost $35 with no contract (its pay-as-you-go.)

      You are paying a lot more than you think for that shiny toy, they just figured out you will swallow $200 up front and finance the rest over two years a lot better than $499 up front.

      You are confusing "cell phone" with "smart phone" .. stop being an idiot. Smart phones are still a large minority both in the United States as well as globally.

      It is because the TracPhone is crap

      So yesterdays high-end feature-phones like the Motorola RAZR are crap now? You really are an idiot. You seem to have incorrectly conflated "Touch Screen" with "Quality" and that makes you stupid.

      Someone mod me troll for calling this wanker out.

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    3. Re:The real price of phones by reasterling · · Score: 1

      I have a prepay net10 phone that I bought two years ago. I might pay $20 a month putting minutes on it (admittedly I don't use it a whole lot). It is a phone and almost nothing more. It is rock solid as a phone, and it gets great reception. The battery still holds a charge that last for about two days between charges. The thing that I really like about it is the lack of a contract (no money, no problem -- buy more minutes when you have money).

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  35. It's called "lying". by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    It's called "lying". You can tell when politicians are doing it because their lips are moving.

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    1. Re:It's called "lying". by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Truthiness much? It's the budget, not what is in SS.

      Cue birth certificate and instructions on making Tinfoil hats.

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    2. Re:It's called "lying". by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      Cue birth certificate and instructions on making Tinfoil hats.

      Now, now, this is why I referred to "politicians" and not "Obama". Republicans are just as bad.

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    3. Re:It's called "lying". by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      The problem is, if we think that Politicians are bad, imagine relying on private business.

      The free market is pretty darn cool, but the part they don't tell you about is that your private market pension plan goes bust, the company goes under. That's pretty cool and the free market worked, but you still have lost your pension. Personally, I assume everyone is lying. That way I'm pleasantly surprised when someone tells the truth.

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    4. Re:It's called "lying". by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Personally, I assume everyone is lying.

      Everyone but my mom. I trust her, but I still hired a private detective to check up.

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    5. Re:It's called "lying". by slapout · · Score: 1

      But it's MY money. Shouldn't I be allowed to decide how to invest it?

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    6. Re:It's called "lying". by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      You are correct. You can invest your money in anything you want. That's how we got to where we are today, when they turned mortgages that were simply going to fail. (no risk, for the math showed almost all would fail) into investments. If you invested, you lost.

      And yes, you had and have the "right" to do with your money as you will

      Bt your question is rhetorical, and almost pointless. Outside of Hollywood movies, where some strange plot devices causes people to actually try to lose all their money everyone I know intends for their investments to make at least some money. And the setup is that more money can be gained if one is willing to invest in riskier vehicles. All is well and good so far.

      And yes, you are able to invest your money in Ponzi schemes too. The illegality is on the con man's side, not your's. Once again, we're talking rational thinking here, not someone investing while knowing they are going to lose.

      Surely more than a few people are buying lottery tickets in hope of funding their retirement. It's their right. Only going to work for a lucky few though.

      But now, the question becomes, what do we do with you if you've lost all your money, and are destitute, and have no means of support? Imagine if the Republicsn meme of privatized Social Security had been implemented in the early 2000's. That would have been great, eh? Hit the skids in 2007, and instant hyper-depression ensues as a whole lot of people's means of support just vaporizes.

      There is a place for the free market, that's been shown that people need a Risk/Reward system. There is also a place for more prudent and trustworthy investment, such as how you are going to put food on the table after you retire. There is a difference between pecuniary accumulation and starving.

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  36. "cigarette lighter" function like the Nano? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The $2K car wa not too reliable.

    1. Re:"cigarette lighter" function like the Nano? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The $2K car wa not too reliable.

      It was and is actually quite reliable. There were a couple of freak accidents, which were never verified as hardware malfunction. I test drove one when it came to my offices. While not exactly a dream to drive, it was a surprisingly okay machine for such a low cost.

  37. drawbacks by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    unfortunately you can only move the cursor at right angles, and if you shake it then the black and white screen goes blank

  38. handsofff by priceworld.in · · Score: 1

    thanx india ......Really its lot more in just $35 (£23)

  39. no it does. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    in web hosting, when you speak about a 'dedicated server' or 'vps', it means linux mysql php apache 99.9% of the time. back in early 2000s there was considerable windows market and companies were offering these as revenue items, but afterwards all of them dropped it as a revenue item, and it became a niche item. wasnt worth to sell it. very big boys took up that niche slack and are offering them as revenue items since then. but it only feeds the very big ones.

    even in datacenters that do wholesale and retail for dedicateds and vpses you will be hard pressed to find any offers than linux flavors.

    www.hetzner.de

    www.liquidweb.com

    www.softlayer.com

    and, the lower level companies use these racks of dedicateds to resell hosting, sometimes hosting 100s of sites on one box or unit of rack. and these are also exclusively linux. recent popular one is centos. so, whenever you are visiting any site that is not a megacorporation site, chances are 99% that you are using a linux server.

  40. Does it come in curry flavor? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Kind of like the towel in Hitchhiker's.

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  41. support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just don't try to call for support...

  42. Re:Will go nowhere by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

    Some people is scared that developing nations are getting access to education tech while in some places (USA, France and others) government is about to pay students to go to school and make good grades.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1929454,00.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/nyregion/19schools.html

  43. Re:Good. Build up passive media consumption there. by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

    A $35 tablet that can replace $500 worth of textbooks educational material / year?? How do they dare!?

  44. Waste of public money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will just produce more electronic junk and nothing else. This guy (the minister, Sibal) is corrupt from head to toe. He must be doing it to favor somebody and make a cut out of it. Whats the use case anyway? I have an iPad and no one uses it in my home except for FB and Netflix.

  45. No wonder by RogerRoast · · Score: 1

    I recently bought a cell phone accessory through ebay for 50 cents, no shipping charge. The material arrived safely in a padded envelope from Hongkong. Leave alone the postage or the cost of the material, the nice envelope itself will cost more than 50 cents in the United States. So it is no wonder Indians can make a tablet for $35. I am sure eventually we might be able to buy them for $35 and free shipping from India.

  46. and sell, and sell, and sell... by gosand · · Score: 1

    I just had a guy here doing a repair on my floor. He almost left his phone, and we got to talking about them. He was complaining that his iPhone was starting to flake out and that he was going to have to get a new one. I showed him my phone, which is about 5 years old and works fine, and that my wife and I share minutes and we spend about $60 a month between us. He said he spends something like $200 a month on his.

    So you buy an expensive phone and pay $200 a month to use it, and when it breaks you just go get another one.

    He was also complaining about his iPad2 he bought, how hard it was to use, and how it didn't do stuff like it showed in the commercials.

    We've really turned into a society of very obedient consumers.

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  47. Coming up for sale... by Lando · · Score: 1

    My 4 dollar tablet will be released soon!!!!!

    * Retail version will sell for $5495.99, but as the first "Real" $4.00 tablet you should order a lot of them.

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  48. Re:Big deal, Deal Extreme have had these for a lon by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    do they have one with a 600 MHz CPU for $100? that would be real news. I look at tablets on there occasionally but have yet to be motivated.

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  49. How is it Indian? by jefferies · · Score: 1

    Hi, How is it Indian? Isn't the company that developed them based in the UK?

  50. The screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about resistive or capacitive touch screens though..

    It has a resistive touchscreen.