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HADOPI To Disconnect 60 People In France

bs0d3 writes "Today in France under the new HADOPI law, 60 people have received their third strike and are facing disconnection from the internet. The first 60 may only be the beginning. 650,000 people have received their first strikes, and 44,000 are on their second."

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  1. There were supposed to be 61... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but they haven't caught me ye^#a$s%!_5%j~NO CARRIER

    1. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by Elbereth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That "NO CARRIER" thing hasn't been funny in 20 years.

    2. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes it has, stop posting.

    3. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      That "NO CARRIER" thing hasn't been funny in 20 years.

      Not to mention watching an entire generation trying to figure out what the hell that means or grasp the concept of being disconnected at any time as they read this from the top of a mountain in the middle of nowhere from their 3G cell phone...

    4. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by h00manist · · Score: 2

      That "NO CARRIER" thing hasn't been funny in 20 years.

      Yeah, the modern equivalent would be something like
      -> www.google.com [enter]
      "Page failed to load. Server not found. Program failed to locate www.google.com."
      "Check the spelling, your network connection. If you are in France, check if someone has been downloading music and videos they love."

      The numbers are interesting. The "connection-less" will start being really interesting in real lively form, as soon as thousands of people start getting cut off and a social reaction starts. Perhaps the Pirate Party will elect some in France too.

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    5. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2
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    6. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I remember downloading movies with a 26.4Kb/s modem (well, the modem was rated higher but that was all the phone line could support). They'd be uploaded in 1MB chunks to some of the free hosting sites. A load of us would each download a few of them, and pass the chunks on ZIP disk to someone who would burn a VideoCD of the final version for each of us. It took about a decade for the movie industry to give a legal way of doing something similar, and even then the client is crap and they only do streaming of a limited selection...

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    7. Re:There were supposed to be 61... by trout007 · · Score: 2

      Remember asking people how to get out of the bbs board and when they typed exit they would get kicked out. Ahh the good old days.

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  2. Angry Voters by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    650,000 warnings, that 650,000 people so far who are very unlikely to vote for Scarsleezy who snuck the law in with no public review. Guess who is going to lose the next election big time and what law will be changed by the next incoming President to ensure an extended political career.

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    1. Re:Angry Voters by master5o1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's being just a tad too optimistic.

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    2. Re:Angry Voters by tragedy · · Score: 2

      That's about 1% of the population of France. It seems pretty likely that those people will eventually get their third strike, but 1% of the population isn't really enough. To get the kind of network effects that would turn outrage over this into an actual movement, you'd have to hit something like 10%. Plus, since those people would be having their voice in modern society crippled by being disconnected from the Internet, it would be even harder for them. Just try to organise any sort of large movement in this day and age without Internet access.

    3. Re:Angry Voters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not quite. I believe the law was passes very late at night, after they'd indicated that no further voting would be performed until the next day. The opposition had called it a night and left.

    4. Re:Angry Voters by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Did not not make it to the end of the article http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110906/14595315829/sarkozy-routes-around-parliament-ditches-net-neutrality-forces-copyright-clauses-into-all-isp-terms-service.shtml. "Sarkozy Routes Around Parliament, Ditches Net Neutrality, Forces Copyright Clauses Into All ISP Terms Of Service" that's the headline from linked to at the bottom of the article. Don't forget that's 650,000 households, 650,000 families and those families of course will have relatives and other associations beyond that and the law isn't even a month old, youch.

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    5. Re:Angry Voters by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, 650,000 is about 1% of the population. However that's not 650,000 people that have recieved HADOPI warning letters, it's 650,000 households. Figure an average of two adults plus a good chance of a late teenager about to get the right to vote and you could be looking at 1.5 million people on the first step towards disconnection. Then there's student digs and bedsits where you could potentially be looking at five or more people on a shared connection - France has a large population of immigrants from across the EU and Northern Africa so I'd imagine the actual number of individuals might be much higher.

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    6. Re:Angry Voters by BlackCreek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in France, and don't know of any one who's got that letter. I think a lot of people in my age and income bracket would be embarrassed to mention they got suck a letter.

      What _really_ sucks (not only in France, but in most of Europe AFAIK) is that I have no way of easily renting/buying videos through the internet. All choices I've looked at had a really old and incomplete catalogue. Last I tried to check that was in the beginning of the year, and all alternatives sucked big. I live in Paris (i.e. square meters cost a lot), there is no way I will pile up DVDs in the house.

      I can understand that French parliament was lead (read: bought) into writing this legislation, but I really can't understand they did that without requiring the industry to put a legal alternative in place.

    7. Re:Angry Voters by Coeurderoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunatelly no, that is about 550 000 people who didn't see the first letter (was sent to the wrong email address)
      90 000 who didn't read it (many people bellow 20 only use IM)
      5 000 who do not care and would not vote anyway
      2500 who would not have voted Sarcosy anyway
      2000 who would vote for sarcosy despite this because they consider it little more than a parking fine..
      500 might change their vote maybe if they can bother about it...

      Moreover the "socialist" (about as socialist as the US democrats are democratic or the republican are republican, that is very little)
      did not really fight the HADOPI, they did some populist show about a "global licence" from their "left wing" (that would be an ISP tax that would give a licence to copy, but only music not movies, so would have solved about nothing), but in reality they are thick in bed with UNIVERSAL...

      When we did a "demonstration" against DADVSI only 400 people came, for HADOPI we didn't even bother...
      We are living in a situation where government make laws that criminalize people but in a way that enforcement can be completelly arbitrary, it's very convenient, "everybody is guilty of something" we can arrest them whenever we want to... what fun...

    8. Re:Angry Voters by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      There was no public debate, true, and RIAA-like types did give free music download coupons and that sort of things to the deputies,

      Is that all it takes to buy a law in France...?

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    9. Re:Angry Voters by UnoriginalBoringNick · · Score: 2

      From the translation of the Hadopi law (provided here: http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/HADOPI_full_translation

      "Art. L. 331-27. - When it is held that the subscriber has failed to recognize the obligation defined in article L 336-3 during the year following the reception of an injunction sent by the committee for protection of rights and accompanied by a receipted letter or any other method needed to establish proof of the date that the injunction was sent and that when the subscriber received it, the committee may, after a hearing, pronounce, as a result of the gravity of the violations and the use of access, one of the following sanctions:

      "1 The suspension of access to service for a duration of two months to one year accompanied by making it impossible for the subscriber to subscribe during that period to another contract giving access to a public on line communication service with any operator;

      "2 A warning to take, within a time it determines, measures to prevent the renewal of the accused violation, particularly a method of security found on the list defined in the second paragraph of article L. 331-32, and to inform the High Authority, if necessary under duress.

      I heard somewhere that Item 2 hints at the possibility of putting some "Approved Software" on the subscribers' PC(s) which will monitor activity and stop the PC(s) infringing copyright. No doubt it would only run on Windows. However it is very hard to find any real information about this. The referenced article 331-32 looks like it might have some meat in it but alas no...

      "Art. L. 331-32. - After consultating the creators of means of security intended to prevent illicit use of access to a public on line communication service, entities whose activity is to offer access to such a service, as well as companies governed by title II of this book and duly constituted professional societies, the High Authority makes public the functionally pertinent specifications presented by these means considered, in its view, as exonerating from responsibility the owners of such access under the conditions of article L. 336-3.

      "In the course of a procedure of certified evaluation of their conformity to the specifications set forth in the first paragraph and their effectiveness, the High Authority establishes a list characterizing the methods of security whose use exonerates the owner of access of his responsibility with respect to article L. 336-3. This characterization is periodically reviewed.

      "A decree of the Council of State specifies the evaluation procedure to characterize these methods of security.

      Maybe the referenced Article L.336-3 will explain...

      "Art. L. 336-3. - The owner of access to online public communication services has an obligation to watch that this access is not being used for purposes of reproduction, representation, making available or communication to the public of works or objects protected by right of authorship or a related right without permission of copyright holders when it is required as stated in books I and II.

      "No sanction can be taken against the owner of the access in the following cases:

      "1 If the owner of the access has secured his access through one of the means on the list mentioned in the second paragraph of article L. 331-32 ;

      "2 If the rights infringement referred to in the first paragraph of this article is committed by a person who fraudulently used the access to online public communication service;

      "3 In case of force majeure.

      "The breaching of the obligation defined in the first paragraph by an access owner hasn't the effect of involving his penal reponsibility.

      ... and maybe not.

      I also understand that the line remains in service and the subscriber is billed for it (unless she chooses to pay to terminate the connection) but only commercially

    10. Re:Angry Voters by eth1 · · Score: 2

      And I'm sure it will snowball quickly. Everyone who's disconnected will be connecting to any open wireless or other access they can find, and ultimately probably getting completely innocent people disconnected as well. Then they'll just move on to the next source of access.

  3. MPAA's Three Strikes by Sasayaki · · Score: 5, Informative

    Strike 1: http://gizmodo.com/329648/mpaas-university-toolkit-taken-down-for-violating-copyright
    Strike 2: http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-steals-code-violates-linkware-license/
    Strike 3: http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95638

    BOOM!

    No more MPAA! They're offline forever! After all, the law is just and equal and fair and blind, right? And the MPAA -- the people who, let's face it, basically *wrote* this law -- should be held to the highest standard themselves. They, more than anyone else, cannot call it a youthful mistake, or a silly error in judgement, or ignorance or anything else... they have zero excuse and so accordingly they will be punished for their obvious and flagrant transgressions!

    Right? ... right?

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  4. It just begs for civil disobedience. by sanermind · · Score: 2

    Myself, I generally don't bother to pirate things much... but if anyone pulled that sort of nonsense, I'd be seriously tempted to start downloading crap left and right, and encourage all of my friends to do so as well.

    Let's see them kick -everybody- off the internet, and see how that works, hmmm?

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  5. Oi, French, civil disobedience! Now! by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All 650,000 people on your first strike, please proceed to your second. The 44,000 on your second, proceed to your third. The rest of you, endeavour to earn your first over the coming weeks.

    Come on, France. You still understand the effectiveness of collective withdrawal of labour. So call the government on its own foolishness by forcing the law to take steps which withdraws you from effective contribution to the country. Do not stop until you can proudly call yourself the nation with the most people individually forbidden from using the Internet.

    First, other countries will laugh at you. Then your businessmen will realise what they've just done to their chances to make money. Then your government will listen to that whispering, gold-plated voice in their ear and the law will be repealed. Foreign governments and business will realise what will happen if this sort of law is enacted in their own precious fiefdoms and global attitudes will start to change.

    But you have to start yourselves by taking a risk and standing up.

    Thank you.

    1. Re:Oi, French, civil disobedience! Now! by dolmen.fr · · Score: 3, Funny

      they will block the ports and burn cars

      We do it in just one step: burning a car is building a fire wall.

  6. Re:My roleks by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    My Roleks wrist watch was about $10, but original Rolex is about $8000. Does that mean i stole $8000 from Rolex, because that's a sale they didn't make?

    Of course. Also, by buying the Roleks, you helped the manufacturer to build even more Roleks watches, thus increasing the damage. Also, since you wear that Roleks watch, people who see it might be led to buy one, too. So I'm sure the WWAA (Wrist Watch Association of America) will sue you for about $100 billion.

    Oh, wait, make that $200 billion, because you posted on Slashdot about it.

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  7. RE: Tools by Archon-X · · Score: 2

    I know a few people who have received their first strikes. For what it's worth, they were using eMule to get themselves nabbed.

  8. Re:Human Right by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The right to a fair public trial is also a human right as well though, and these alleged criminals didn't get one.

    Article 10: "Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him."

  9. Re:I wonder by UnoriginalBoringNick · · Score: 2

    From the translation of the Hadopi law (provided here: http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/HADOPI_full_translation )

    "Art. L. 331-30. - The suspension of access mentioned in articles L. 331-27 and L. 331-28 does not, in itself, affect paying the price of subscription to the service provider. Article L. 121-84 of the consumer code does not apply during the period of suspension.

    "The costs of a possible closure of the subscription during the period of suspension are born by the subscriber.

    "The suspension applies only to access to public on line communication services and to electronic communications. When this access service is purchased as part of commercial composite services including other types of services, such as telephone or television services, the decision of suspension does not apply to these services.

    ... So I think the ISPs are covered.

  10. Socialist primary candidate to keep 3-strike by Balaitous · · Score: 2

    The info about the 60 people at 3rd signaling is a week old. Latest news is that François Hollande, a Socialist (main opposition party) primary candidate leading the polls, has announced in a film industry lobby meeting that he will keep the HADOPI including the repressive part, just "adapting" it. That's contrary to his party programme and we will see how that fares in the primary and later.

  11. Re:Seems strangely obvious by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

    Dom Perignon and the price is too high for most people. Most people just don't take it, they do without. "The price is too high" is not an excuse nor a justification. If the price is too high, then you don't buy it.

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  12. Re:Seems strangely obvious by godrik · · Score: 2

    That's exactly what they do. They don't buy it! :)