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Real Life Super Hero Arrested

First time accepted submitter Pat Attack writes "In an ironic twist of fate, Phoenix Jones, a self-styled super hero from Seattle, has landed in jail. Jones happened upon a group of people fighting in the street and tried to stop the fight using pepper spray. He was arrested by police on four counts of assault. The New York Daily News quotes Jones: 'I've been shot once and I don't really want it to happen again. I've been stabbed twice, hit with a baseball bat and had my nose broken,' he says. 'But in all those incidents I helped someone who was in danger. If someone is going to take that punishment it should be the guy in body armor,' he said."

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  1. Darmok and Jalad at Seattle by alphatel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Phoenix, his eyes closed. Phoenix, when the walls fell.

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  2. HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those wondering about these new "superheroes," it's actually a movement of sorts. There was an excellent HBO documentary on them a while back. They're even forming groups now. When I heard about the documentary, I just expected to laugh at these guys. But it's actually a very interesting portrait of some well-meaning, though often a little deluded, guys who really do want to make the world a better place. I ended up feeling both sorry for them and a little envious of them at the same time.

    One of the best points they made was that they are "patrolling" areas where the cops really don't give a shit. For example, at one point in the documentary a homeless guy gets run over by a car during one of the superhero group patrols. It's the "superheroes" who stop to help him. But when they call the cops to report it, they don't even show up. Even when they try to flag down a cop car as the guy is still laying on the ground bleeding, the cops just keep driving. It's the "superheroes" who take him to the hospital and then even track down the car that hit him (driven by an obviously intoxicated driver). But, again, when they call the cops on the drunk driver, they're basically told to fuck off.

    As crazy as these guys are, I can't say that I don't understand why they do what they do. It's not just a bunch of losers wanting to be the comic book heroes of their fantasies. Some of them really do look around and say that the world NEEDS superheroes, especially the neighborhoods where no one else (including the cops) seems to give a shit. Part of me wishes I could have their faith in humanity. They may be deluded, but they're certainly not do-nothing cynics.

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    1. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by Maquis196 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There should be a legal way of being a "superhero", which lets face it, unless they have something wrong with them means the person is not a vigilante but just wants to help.

      For example, I live in London and here we have something called special constables who get regular police training and donate their spare time to being a police officer with all the privileges and titles of that role. For this they get free travel and expenses (basically lunch/dinner). Would it be so hard for cities all over the world to have similar programmes? If someone can pass the training AND they're doing it for free, they can be that superhero patrolling the neighbourhoods that career police aren't interested in, hell; if you keep patrolling the same neighbourhood you get attached to it and the people to you which means you can learn more as well about what needs to be done. We also have something called Safer Neighbourhoods for this as well, it can work in places outside of London I'm sure.

      Spoken as an ex- community support officer in London so I might be biased for police slightly. /Maq

    2. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say we need these guys a lot more than we need thugs assaulting each other or random people in the streets.

      If I got jumped by a bunch of guys, I would rather have someone in body armor show up with mace than no-one at all.

    3. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, one of the most poignant lines in Kick Ass is where he's valiantly trying to fight off a bunch of guys kicking the shit out of someone (and him too). One of the assailants says "The fuck is wrong with you, man? You'd rather die for some piece of shit that you don't even fucking know?" and he replies "The three assholes, laying into one guy while everybody else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me?"

    4. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by daid303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Superheroes my ass. These people are not superheroes. Superheroes are people with special powers they use for good.

      These guys are better then superheroes. They are real life heroes. They do good things, just to help people, and not because they have special powers, they do it without special powers! Calling them superheroes like they are from a comic book with special powers doesn't do them right.

    5. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by 2fuf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reading the news lately feels more and more like reading the Onion

    6. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by Serenissima · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *nerd hat off*

      If you're posting on Slashdot, I'm pretty sure that hat doesn't come off ;)

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    7. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't vigilantism. "any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime. "

      This is not avenging (judge, jury), this isn't even crime prevention. This is people stopping actual crimes in progress. If you try to break up a fight, is that vigilantism? If you stop a robbery is that vigilantism? If you stop a little girl from being kidnapped?

      People like you who confuse stopping a crime in action with vigilantism are just stupid idiots who need to be shouted down and humiliated for being idiots.

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    8. Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but the problem is with vigilantes is that there's no guarantee they'll agree with you what an "asshole" is in less clear-cut cases. Sure, if a vigilante rescues me from being beaten up, I'd be grateful. But what if he "rescues" me from buying liquor, or porn, or having an abortion? The fantasy of being a vigilante isn't limited to doing good, it includes getting to decide what *is* good to do. And without somebody looking over your shoulder, it's easy to screw that up.

      Take this case. If you watch the video (http://vimeo.com/30307440), you see a bunch of people -- probably drunk -- standing around while a couple of guys are doing the bear-hugging drunk fight thing. Then Mr. Jones wades in with his Jumbo-sized can of pepper spray. Who's to say he didn't do more harm than these guys were going to do to each other?

      When we imagine ourselves as superheroes, we imagine ourselves with superhuman traits to go with it. Even if that doesn't include obvious superpowers, it includes non-obvious ones: superhuman judgment (always being right) and superhuman luck (always winning in the end). The reality is that people are fallible. Of course the cops are fallible too, but they have one big advantage: numbers. Even if they don't arrive in force, even a single cop has the promise of dozens of others at his call. The best way to end a fight like this is overwhelming force, which Mr. Jones does not possess. He has to bring a weapon into the fight, thus *escalating* the conflict.

      Everything you don't like about cops can be true of vigilantes, except they don't regard themselves as accountable to anyone else even in *principle*.

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  3. Ironically or maybe sadly by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ironically or maybe sadly he got more of a punishment than that NYC cop who maced those protesting girls, for no reason.

    1. Re:Ironically or maybe sadly by Surt · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean Tony Boloney.

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  4. Phoenix does NOT represent us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Phoenix Jones does NOT represent the typical "real life superhero". He is sponsored and equipped by media companies, he "patrols" with reporters and cameramen in tow, and he is a professed "outsider" who claims to be "better" than the rest of us, even thought he is among the newest of us - he's only been around for a year or so.

    SOME of us don't go for the publicity, don't dress up, and don't wear masks, but we still patrol our neighborhoods and help people when we can. Some of us don't even call ourselves "heroes", just concerned citizen patrolmen, extreme altruists (X-Alts), and other less-lofty titles. Some of us have been doing this under your collective noses for as long as 20 years, and have never been in jail, or had any complaints. Especially from those we help. Some of us dress in colorful costumes and do nothing but homeless outreach, keeping people alive on the streets (like Thanatos in Vancouver, look HIM up!). The costume is used to draw attention to the cause. Some of us simply do outreach or neighborhood crime fighting without costumes. Some of us are animal right activists, some are environmentalists, some just help by shoveling snow off of people's drives.

    A great many of us are trained in relevant fields - we have tons of soldiers, cops, EMT/Paramedics, nurses, security guards, firefighters, private investigators, high-level computer geeks, etc. Sure, we have our share of basement-dwelling kids and thrill-seekers, but those tend to get weeded out pretty quickly if their heads and hearts aren't in the right place. Phoenix stands apart, both by choice and consensus. Most of us predicted he'd end up in jail, and unfortunately, he has.

    Point is, we come in all flavors, from quiet and in the background, to media-hounding insanity.
    So while you guys are yukking it up, try to remember that this man is NOT typical in our group.
    Find out the real truth for yourselves.

  5. Superhero saved my life by kangsterizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know, sounds as cheesy as it can get.

    Still - I, for one, already got into a fight with bad people. 6v1 with knifes kind of bad people, who just wanted my belongings and more likely, just something to hit, because I'd gladly leave my belongings and keep on living like anybody else.

    As it was inside a moving train, I "resisted" for a few minutes, and people just went away (mind you, no one called for help, police, guards, etc), leaving me with my problems. It became bad when they took out the knifes.
    Well, lucky day, that's when a super hero came in and kicked them out. An ex military, and the kind you just see in movies. It was easily won 2v6 (and I'm no fighter).

    I'm glad he was there. Next time he'll call 911 instead and watch me die, right? Thanks for the tip police it sounds like the right thing to do!

    I'm telling you, in any situation like that where you know you're actually able to help (obviously this guy was) - fucking do it. If you're not, then do call 911.