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Vint Cerf: Media Tagging Can Be Disconcerting
coondoggie writes "Cerf says he profoundly feels the advent of cameras everywhere and the ability to post video and photos online can be hugely disconcerting. He recounts how he stepped once off a helicopter for a meeting in Brazil and minutes later was informed a video of himself doing that had been posted to YouTube, something he found to be a discomforting experience. He says getting constant notes about being 'tagged' in online photos from social networking sites such as Facebook still remains a bit of a jolt."
Oh no, well known public figures are getting media attention! How unfair!
Here you learn what to do to avoid being tagged.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
He isn't the first, and won't be the last.
Although one wonders why, if Vint Cerf was so uncomfortable, he would continue in roles that involve a lot of public exposure.
"He recounts how he stepped once off a helicopter for a meeting in Brazil and minutes later was informed a video of himself doing that had been posted to YouTube, something he found to be a discomforting experience."
So he doesn't like being a celebrity. This isn't exactly new to the human experience. The rate at which the information travels is somewhat new, but Vint is one of the men responsible for that condition, and he did it intentionally.
I have no sympathy for this concern.
No sig for you. YOU GET NO SIG!
He looks too important.
Maybe people would cease to tag him if he didn't look like the Architect from Matrix.
Well, Dr. Cerf, you're the one who said "IP on Everything."
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/518/518800/ip_on_everything_1195570027.jpg
Kriston
Old person frightened by future! Details at 11!
What is scary about this technology is that anyone will be able to tag anyone else and follow them any where they go.
With Facebook, plus facial recognition, plus public video, plus tagging, I can follow/cyberstalk anyone from anywhere.
Welcome to the world where everyone is your Big Brother.
It is not when technology correctly tags you that is scary.
It is when technology incorrectly tags you that it is scary.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Anyone have a tagged video of him saying that? ;)
I don't much care to be tagged on Facebook, etc, but from TFS:
He says getting constant notes about being 'tagged' in online photos
At least he knows he's getting tagged - the tags you don't know about are a lot worse. The ones you know about you can delete or plan for. The privacy invasion you are unaware of is worse than the one you know about.
I find it fascinating the autotagging feature in Facebook, which manages to guess the subject right a surprising amount of the time. I can see where this could have uses elsewhere. Let's say, autotagging the output of government street CCTV. Imagine a page where your image pops up automatically every time software recognizes your face. Probably used first with celebrities and (opposing) politicians. There might come a day when you can buy a service, put in your child's name and get a dump of all the traffic cams that contain his image. And no, that won't be abused at all...
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
... the thing is the growth of tech just makes society more transparent. So if you become an important/followed/popular figure you can expect it. You can't hide in an age where communication costs are near zero and travel near the speed of light.
I feel so bad.
I just finished banging my G/F and a few minutes later I get a phone call from some guy saying he just got a video of me banging his wife. Then a half an hour later some kids show up going on about a video of me banging their mom. It's all just a little too much.
Here's the "discomforting" video. Keep in mind he's not just some random attendee to that ICANN conference - he was the friggin' chairman of the board, arriving in the least subtle way possible. And now he's bothered that some fan noticed...
i wish people would stop worrying so much about facebook's privacy. i would be more concerned about googles. why?
because facebook is an analytic solution to a data gathering problem. and, as we all know, analytic solutions are obtained only for a small subset of initial values. in the case of facebook, they have created this splendid "social graph" and using your profile hash as a basis, can perform various combinatorial operations on the graph in order to find information about what you connect to, what you said, whatever. but without that unique hash, they are screwed totally. furthermore, this simplistic, rigid data structure means they are essentially hemmed in: if they want to move into probability theory, for example, they cant, or at least, they will do a crappy job at it.
google on the other hand has vastly vastly superior algorithms, and represent numerical solutions to the data gathering problem, generalizing data sets such as facebooks with ease. combined with advanced statistics, they have approached the data gathering problem in a concise and logical way that scares the shit out of me.
Once the public knows who you are, there's no guarantee that you'll ever be able to arrange for yourself to be forgotten.
Right.
Being famous, but not rich, is a huge pain. (The reverse is rather nice, though.) If you have enough money, you can live behind gates. You can go out to places with door control. Or hang out in places with enough celebrities that nobody cares about you. (Malibu and Stanford come to mind.) If not, weirdos can be a real problem.
Second-tier TV actors run into this problem. They don't make enough for the celebrity lifestyle, but get recognized too much. After a while, though, they're forgotten.
It won't be long before everything we do and say, and in a further future possibly even everything we think, will be open to everyone. But we will probably still be more or less the beings we are now. Can we adapt? And more importantly, will we be able to like it? We are toying with the ways in which people relate to each other more fundamentally than ever before, but at the same time we are doing it at a much faster pace than before. If we were to find out that the new future is horrid, we could find ourselves facing a fait accompli.
If you don't like being tagged, just untag yourself. It's not a big deal.
It's like if you get email you don't want - just delete it. Not a big deal.
...I'd pretend I was one of those deaf mutes.
A privacy free future envisioned: The Light Of Other Days, by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter. http://www.sfsite.com/06a/lod82.htm
The Amish still consider it a violation of their rights for others to photograph them.
I seem to recall him predicting the end of the Internet as we know it with the advent of alternate DNS roots in response to the ICANN hegemony. Still waiting for that sky to fall, Vint. Now we see he makes the front page of /. because he finds current technology "disconcerting."
I would appear Dr. Cerf's boat sailed a long time ago, and he's still standing on the pier waiting to board.
1984 is now Vint. Get with the program.
What exactly is tagging? I hear it mentioned but not being on Facebook I can only guess what it is. Ie, someone puts a picture on their site and captions it as "Me and Bob and Susan in Yosemite". Why would Bob and Susan get spam when this happens?
Maybe Vint should keep his trap shut for a while instead of trumpeting "the father of Internet", eh?
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
A guy takes a helicopter to a meeting is lecturing us on what is normal?
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
I am aware that he doesn't even read the content of the submissions he posts.
I am 100% aware of this.
I am an atheist.
And yet I pray, I pray to the fucking universe, to the space-time continuum, and to faster-than-light neutrons, that Timothy reads this comment and enrolls himself in a goddamned fucking community college Writing 101 course.
Who the fuck is "Cerf" Timothy? How can you possibly not realize what a poor summary that is? What exactly does it feel like to fail upward? Does it feel like floating? Is that why you don't give a shit about your one and only job here: goddamned fucking editing?
More data goes online every day, even aside from what we put there ourselves, data sourced a myriad ways, ways multiplying constantly. It's a(n ever more) digital life.
There's no pulling the plug. There's only learning to cope. It's just fact that our lives, the lives of everyone, grow ever more transparent.
So, how will we adjust?
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[1:40:23 PM] suraj dutta: M Tech Computer
His situation today is disconcerting. Tomorrow he'll be browsing around on youtube and click a video at random. It'll be a video of him watching a video of him watching a video of him.....on youtube.
Next step annihilates the universe in a puff of logic. Or it becomes the sequel to Spaceballs.