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DNA Sequenced of Woman Who Lived To 115

chrb writes "The DNA of W115 — an anonymous woman who lived to the age of 115 years and left her body to science — has been sequenced. Despite her old age, W115 showed no signs of dementia or heart disease, and tests at the age of 113 showed she had the mental abilities of a woman aged 60-75 years. Dr. Henne Holstege of the Department of Clinical Genetics at the VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam has suggested W115 had rare genetic changes in her DNA which protected against Alzheimer's and other late-life diseases."

175 comments

  1. 115? That's nothing! by bennomatic · · Score: 0

    Back when I was her age, 115 was just getting started! Now get off my lawn!

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  2. Hopefully by Totenglocke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully this leads to people being able to have their DNA modified so that we no longer have to deal with mental diseases like Alzheimer's.

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    1. Re:Hopefully by tirefire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hopefully this leads to people being able to have their DNA modified so that we no longer have to deal with mental diseases like Alzheimer's.

      And once a precedent has been set, it's just 20 precious years until GATTACA.

    2. Re:Hopefully by mercnet · · Score: 2

      "I belonged to a new underclass, no longer determined by social status or the color of your skin. No, we now have discrimination down to a science."

    3. Re:Hopefully by Totenglocke · · Score: 0

      So? Why shouldn't people be able to buy better looks, greater intelligence, extended youth, etc if they worked to get the means to afford it?

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    4. Re:Hopefully by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what could possibly go wrong? I mean, it's totally impossible that those people might turn into flesh-eating zombies. Isn't it? Isn't it?!

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    5. Re:Hopefully by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this leads to people being able to have their DNA modified so that those who can pay no longer have to deal with mental diseases like Alzheimer's.

      FTFY. Well, I don't agree with the "hopefully" either.

    6. Re:Hopefully by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a lame hope...

      I hope we find the underlying cause and determine that simple dietary and behavioral changes will make such diseases fleetingly rare.

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    7. Re:Hopefully by geogob · · Score: 2

      I don't think it will go in that direction (or I hope, to be more precise). But understanding what in her genome protected here from dementia-like diseases may help to identified exactly where in the cellular process these illnesses act and how. It could give you a very fundamental understanding of how these diseases work. This is the first step in finding either a cure (which is very unlikely) but above all a first step to find a way to identify people at risk early and provide proper treatment/nutrition to block the progression of the illness before it even starts.

      I bet this will happen, because this is the favorite scheme of pharmas.... hook people early on a life long expensive medication. But if it stops Alzheimer and old-age dementia, I'll for once agree to this scheme. If you don't, you probably had no one close who went through these diseases at their end of life.

    8. Re:Hopefully by Trubadidudei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because if this is done in the germ line, it will end in a social catastrophy.
      What will happen when a group of people can say with reason that they are better humans then the rest of us? Today, it is possible to climb the social ladder because if you raise your kid right, he might not be so different from the kid of a millionaire, but when the millionaire kids are more intelligent and healthy by default, how is anyone ever going to go up in society?
      Imagine the riots that will happen once 90% of the population has no chance at getting a good job or ever having a family member get a good job, not because they do not work hard, but because they are "lesser" humans than the 10% on top.

      The only way this technology can ever be used for enhancement without creating a dystopia is if the state intervenes to raise the bottom along with the top, but that is also difficult due to the costs, and the fact the rich will be the only ones who can keep up with the newer and newer "models" of DNA enhacement.

    9. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a post below from a relative points out, old age runs in her family, so there is reason to believe there is a genetic component.

    10. Re:Hopefully by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Better than a naive hope, I'd say. Maybe you can tweak the percentages here and there but with all the diets and behavioral regimes people have tried we'd know if anything made you almost impervious to disease. Of course it helps to be generally fit but for the most part we need treatments, not just regular exercise and eating our vegetables. I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer at age 16, never drunk, never smoked, excellent health. He needed a treatment for cancer, not just generally good advice. I think it'll be the same with Alzheimer, a few things may help but it's not nearly a replacement for a true treatment or cure.

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    11. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Society already has a system of better offs and worse offs. The main difference here is that you could be manipulating it so that those better offs have child geniuses who look great. This may give them an edge in life. The problem is some people already have that edge and we neglect those who don't. Those who are better off should be contributing back a significantly more than they currently do. Those who have reached a tipping point of great success should be burdened to that of the rest. They should be able to contribute back but those additional contributions should have a significantly smaller return financially. Not to the point where it isn't worth it-but just enough to where society is offsetting the people who are most in need.

      We punish people who have less choice. Do you think people chose to commit crime because they want to? No. They choose it because they have little choice. Rich people can be without choice too. This is not a class thing.

      Some people who steal for instance may be rich. They get off on this and there was little choice in the matter. They had the choice not to steal only to the extent that they resisted it more so than someone who had no desire to do so. Someone with this 'condition' it would clearly be unfair to punish for his crimes compared to someone who had no such desire and still stole.

      At the end of the day we should be focusing on moving those in less desirable situations to those in more desirable situations and reducing any negative impact that there conditions have on them and others. This is not to say we should let people steal necessarily. Only that stealing may be minor in comparison to the suffering that person has gone through having had that condition. These things should be taken into account. That theft may cause another suffering although it should be societies burden and not the offending individuals to fix.
       

    12. Re:Hopefully by evilviper · · Score: 1

      We don't do double blind 100 year studies, and without knowing the underlying cause, any foods, medication, procedure (pre or post natal) could be causing dramatically increased risk, and the cause and effect would be so far separate we'd never pick up on it.

      Your own premise is belied by the vast amount of human history before germ theory was concieved, after untold large scale human suffering.

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    13. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, this will lead to people working longer for less pay.

    14. Re:Hopefully by houghi · · Score: 2

      The difference is want and need. If you steal a bread to feed your children (and yourself) is a want. To steal an xbox to entertain your children is a want.

      The differences are thus basically if it is something you want or something you need? Food, shelter, education, ... Those are things you need. Caviar, a huge mansion, Ivy League, ... Those are things you want.

      There are billions of people who are in a less fortunate situation then the people here on /. yet they do not steal. The majority of crime is done by peoples own choice. The exceptions are those who steel out of need. Aside from the exception (stealing out of need to feed) theft is a clear choice.

      It is done because people think they can get away with it AND because it is a shortcut to what they want.

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    15. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich already assume that they and their offspring are better/more deserving than the rest of us. This would change nothing. I think that sci-fi is mostly written in a way that leads to drama, no? I mean, Gattaca is a nice piece of entertainment, but it's not prophecy. Also, it would probably be very cost-effective for the state to pay for these 'enhancements', especially considering that it probably wouldn't be long until they were cheap to carry out. Imagine a super-healthy, super-intelligent population. It would pay for itself many times over.

    16. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you honestly trying to say that only 10% of potential jobs are "good" jobs?

    17. Re:Hopefully by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Her mother became 99 and 10 months. A brother and sister also became pretty old. Not sure what happened to another sister. My father is in his 90-ies and behaves like a 65 year old. We are directly related to her. She was my grand-fathers sister.

      For that reason I have contacted the doctor to ask him how I (and my father agreed to do the same) could be able to help. e.g. by giving some blood so they can see after we die if there was anything there. She did not have any children herself, so for now all we know is that she might have been the only person with that part of DNA.
      Not sure if my sister (and her kids) is willing to do the same. Or my nephews. We all live in different countries around the world and some I have no way of contacting.

      She also was under investigation for about 20 years, so they already knew a lot about her lifestyle. It is not like they dropped a body on the doorstep and they had to go from there.

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    18. Re:Hopefully by TheLink · · Score: 1

      That's why some things have to be done before other things, not done immediately the moment they are technically feasible. Otherwise Society/Culture won't be "grown-up" enough to handle the results.

      The way I see it, the "free market capitalist" path will be one that leads to much evil. The "crazy Scandinavian socialists" path might be viable- most people do what everyone else around them does, so if it becomes cultural norm to just keep other people around alive and well (even though they're kinda stupid compared to you), then we might be able to avoid lots of evil.

      However, there are still many problems. Imagine if your pets could vote, would that be good for you and them in the long run?

      So I daresay the otherwise benign post-humans might be willing to put up with those who can't "make it" only if those unfortunate ones gave up their rights to political power maybe temporarily/conditionally - e.g. as long as you are on "Welfare" and still sucking Society's teat you cannot vote. Once you consistently start putting more in than you take out, you can vote.

      Yes that's rather elitist, but if the masses can save themselves with their votes, I guess they should get on with it already. Otherwise they''ll still keep being pwned by the elites.

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    19. Re:Hopefully by TheLink · · Score: 1

      simple dietary and behavioral changes will make such diseases fleetingly rare.

      It's obvious already. Finish a supersize meal or two at McD every day and you're unlikely to get Alzheimer's nor die of cancer.

      p.s. meanwhile they should sequence the DNA of some of the ultra-obese, and figure out how they manage to get so fat ( > 500kg) without dying.

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    20. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diets and behavoral regimes do exactly jack shit. My dad has always been in great shape all his life, in fact he was a physical training instructor in our country's armed forces for a number of years, right until he left the service. As a civillian he always kept fit, running, biking, swimming, etc. besides going to the gym. Never smoked, always ate healthy. He's now 68 and has Parkinson's, had a pacemaker installed two months ago because of carotid sinus syndrome and just now was diagnosed with prostate cancer. So, fuck anyone that thinks diets and behavoral regimes do anything at all.

    21. Re:Hopefully by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So? Why shouldn't people be able to buy better looks, greater intelligence, extended youth, etc if they worked to get the means to afford it?

      One, it won't be them who worked to afford it; it'll be their parents.

      Two, why do you assume wealthy people earned their wealth?

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    22. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the science fiction view.

      The science view is not to "modify the DNA", but mostly to understand what happens and how, and then develop targeted drugs which do not modify the DNA (that just cannot be done on an existing organism) but act on the specific mechanisms without major side effects.

      That's how many forms of cancer and several other disease are now curable.

      A.

    23. Re:Hopefully by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      when the millionaire kids are more intelligent and healthy by default

      They already are. Better food / less heavy metal contamination / mental stimulation results in higher intelligence. Its laughable to claim rich kids are not healthier than other kids, first of all on average they're probably the only kids permitted regular pediatrician visits.

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    24. Re:Hopefully by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Retroviruses work, for a small change it might not even kill the patient.

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    25. Re:Hopefully by somersault · · Score: 1

      You're right - it's probably closer to 2%

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      which is totally what she said
    26. Re:Hopefully by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Diet and learned behavior also run in families.

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      which is totally what she said
    27. Re:Hopefully by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Diets and behavoral regimes do exactly jack shit.

      Diet is overwhelmingly why we live longer and healthier than our dark-ages counterparts. The idea that diet is unimportant is massively wrong, and based in overwhelming ignorance.

      If you want an example canonical case, look up scurvy, and just how many people were horribly afflicted by it, until it was discovered exactly what dietary supplement was missing.

      Never smoked, always ate healthy.

      What we believe is a "healthy" diet, changes every decade. For all you our I know, one of those healthy things he was eating contributed to him getting those diseases later in life. Hell, there's some controversy about the pesticides used on crops, which transfers to humans in trace amounts, and may have health effects of its own. Eat healthy all you want, but maybe that lettuce from farm A will slowly poison you, while similar lettuce from farm B will leave you healthy. Unless we know exactly what triggers these diseases, across the board, we can't trace it back to the billions or variables in our food, to decide what "eating healthy" needs to include and exclude.

      Environmental exposure is important as well. If you simply live in an area with serious pollution, no diet is going to save you from the health effects of pollutants. What's more, there's no question that air pollution is a cause of several cancers, and other disorders. Local environmental pollutants can be even worse. The simplest of objects like wood can outgas toxic chemicals like formaldehyde. Here in California, you can't buy a sheet of plywood without a warning label that it contains chemicals known to cause cancer...

      What else can I say? A healthy diet and lifestyle won't help if you get shot, or hit by a bus either, but that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't in fact have a huge effect on your health.

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    28. Re:Hopefully by somersault · · Score: 1

      Great scientific method there, sparky.

      Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're healthy. It's an indicator, but certainly not everything. You have no evidence as to whether diet or behavior helped or hindered. The scientific community is currently going through a shift where they're no longer proclaiming any fat to be bad (which apart from trans-fats and apparently hydrogenated fats, is complete BS). It's depressing to see a paragraph both criticising saturated fat while praising nuts (very high in fat and saturated fats). Eventually they'll just admit that Ancel Keys was a fool pushing an agenda. Ever since he demonised fat, people have just been getting fatter and heart disease has gone crazy. It's sad.

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    29. Re:Hopefully by bwanaaa · · Score: 1

      What does the DNA sequence GATTACA code for?

    30. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This has already been explored and clearly the answer is to house disabled genetically better people in your house and assume their identity. The access to their blood and bodily fluid, plus the admiration you get from sympathizers when almost caught, is just enough to allow inferior people to travel into space.

    31. Re:Hopefully by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Dystopia? Think bigger than that. Think the birth of a thousand new species, and all of them die except the most violent and aggressive ones.

    32. Re:Hopefully by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      4: insightful?

      "Today, it is possible to climb the social ladder ...Imagine the riots that will happen once 90% of the population has no chance at getting a good job or ever having a family member get a good job, not because they do not work hard, but because they are "lesser" humans than the 10% on top."

      You do realize it's exactly the same being born in a poor family on the wrong continent today?

      Or you wanna say the opportunities is the same for someone born here in Sweden or in a wealthy family in the US as it is in a village in Somalia?

    33. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think again.

      Introduced into the germ line, DNA modifications will get passed down to offspring, as you have pointed out quite astutely.

      Now, if I am to believe any single one of those anti-GM nutters out there, DNA modifications inserted into the germ line will spread across the entire population of whatever species you're looking at (potato, human, whatever floats your boat) like a blazing wildfire.

      Also Evolution.

    34. Re:Hopefully by aBaldrich · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this leads to people being able to put their children through Bokanovsky Process so that we no longer have to deal with mental diseases like Alzheimer's.

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    35. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lmao. People with the resources have been able to alter their genes more or less as they please for the a few years now (started at least in 2003). A lot of professional athletes do it.

      It has been kept quite because of the GATTACA fears and religious groups wouldn't be happy. It is also generally frowned upon.

    36. Re:Hopefully by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2

      Wait, are you saying that society is actually better off because we're susceptible to miserable degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's? If so, you're an asshole. But despite that, I don't wish it on you to watch your parents succumb to Alzheimer's.

    37. Re:Hopefully by Xacid · · Score: 5, Funny

      "She did not have any children herself"

      I think I discovered the reason she lived so long! ;)

    38. Re:Hopefully by bmuon · · Score: 1

      States already make vaccination mandatory, including some during pregnancy. It's not that crazy to imagine a "vaccine" for Alzheimer's.

    39. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how it works. It's very hard to modify the DNA of someone already born.

    40. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we already live in a dystopia

    41. Re:Hopefully by UnoriginalBoringNick · · Score: 1

      So will the newly Alzheimers-free superbeings be simultaneously sterilised or will their offspring have to pay a license fee to Monsanto from cradle to grave?

    42. Re:Hopefully by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      This is the case today, just look at the Wall street and other gatherings to contest the fact that USA is now a 1% filthy rich and 9% substandard. and 90% poor.

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    43. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the book "The 10,000 year explosion", That's how it already is, and always has been...

      A fascinating book about genetic advantages.

    44. Re:Hopefully by khallow · · Score: 1

      I hope we find the underlying cause and determine that simple dietary and behavioral changes will make such diseases fleetingly rare.

      I'll talk to the magic pink unicorns and get that set up ASAP. As I see it, if dietary and behavioral changes were enough, we would have seen it. Hoping for an easy win, when there's no reason to expect one, strikes me as rather futile.

    45. Re:Hopefully by NFN_NLN · · Score: 1

      What does the DNA sequence GATTACA code for?

      The title of a movie.

    46. Re:Hopefully by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this leads to people being able to have their DNA modified so that we no longer have to deal with mental diseases like Alzheimer's.

      That's not a technical problem, it's a social problem. For instance, I'd recommend China make exception to their one-child policy for couples with 4 healthy grandparents beyond a certain age. That way the long-healthy-life genes will become more common over time, without people having to figure out which genes and combinations of them are "good" which will have significant bias. Contrast that with the concept in "idiocracy" and that recent survey that found unemployed people most likely to list a desire for "casual sex" on their profiles. See. We just need a system that encourages the people with good genes to reproduce, rather than the opposite.

    47. Re:Hopefully by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2

      Well it's more like society is better off so we don't have to live at the edge of starvation and wild animals and disease. The average lifespan even as late as the 1700's was only 40 years for even wealthy people. People simply didn't live LONG enough to display these diseases until recently and only in the last 30 years have we developed the social conscience to not just write these people off as lost causes.

    48. Re:Hopefully by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with a cast system that is created purely artificially because one cast has more resources to select for better genetic outcomes than another.

      It's basically directed genetic breeding that would go on for the richer folks and the rest will be left to the normal breeding patterns. In reality this will only add diversity and the society may or may not be better off, I don't know, but it's certainly going to be an interesting experiment, I would love to see it happen, it's interesting in theory and it's even more interesting in practice.

    49. Re:Hopefully by urusan · · Score: 1

      Fear of this outcome is a poor reason to cause millions of excess deaths.

      Realistically though, this will not happen (at the very least not for long). Do you really think these methods will stay expensive forever? Technologies that are not dependent on some naturally scarce resource will eventually drop in price dramatically.

      Furthermore, there is a great incentive to use these methods to improve public health and therefore reduce medical costs put on the state. Even if such a procedure is fairly costly in the first place, there will be a decrease in the lifetime costs that the state has to pay. So, unless the state completely abandons the medical needs of the lower class there will be a strong incentive for the state to provide this service to those who cannot afford it.

      Lastly, the technology you should really fear for creating this scenario is not genetic engineering...but automation. Weak AI automation is a disruptive technology that will soon outperform human workers in something like 90% of productive occupations (mostly through reduced costs rather than improved quality). Will everyone be able to find new jobs that aren't in competition with robots? (that is to say, can they all find non-routine jobs, which require creativity and/or a high degree of mental flexibility) In such a society the value of labor is degraded to the point where it doesn't matter how hard you work. There are *no* jobs outside of a few specific areas that robots haven't taken over (yet). Only owners can survive and thrive in this system without government assistance or private charity. Unlike genetic engineering, this is happening right now on a gargantuan scale. Society will have to change soon...and by the time we get to genetically engineering babies on a large scale these issues will already be resolved one way or another.

      The emergence of superior forms of artificial life is inevitable. We should embrace this change instead of fighting it. If we do this right, our creations will treat us better than we treat each other...and maybe one day we can join them...

    50. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point!

    51. Re:Hopefully by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      We've seen it before, but we usually stop at the "Doing too much or too little of this or that kills me in weeks or months." This usually involves very large or very small amounts and has the obvious result. A great example is the recommended daily allowance of vitamin C - basically enough to prevent scurvy in anyone, without examining the benefits of more vitamin C in your diet. A follow-on example is vitamin D, where they finally wrapped up a huge study, bumped up the recommended daily allowance to more what the 'health nuts' were recommending, and noted that those higher levels had a dramatic impact on cancer rates. And what's one of the top killers in modern society?

      Now, imagine there are 20 or 30 important things (how vitamins and essential minerals are there, let alone little things like proteins, fats, carbohydrates, enzymes, etc.), they have various interactions, and genetics has a determining factor on some number of the levels of those items. How easy would it be to model that black box, when you can't even be sure your black boxes are all the same, and people have this pesky habit of doing things that are fun, not just what gives the optimal lifespan?

      I'm not saying that genetics isn't a factor, but we've seen plenty to indicate that diet and behaviour is, too.

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    52. Re:Hopefully by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Another relative here, in the USA. :-) Send me an email if you want, my address is easy to find.

      She was my father's aunt IIRC. I only met her once that I can recall, when my father and I visited her home around 1985. But she might have been at some get together or other other times we visited that does not stick out in my mind. I don't remember her speaking English and I do not know that much Dutch. They talked and I went for a walk around the area. I was overdressed in a overcoat and hat, and some neighborhood kids pointed at me and said "gangster" and chased me a bit, and I went into a store to avoid them. So, that's mostly what I remember of that visit. :-)

      I feel diet and lifestyle (and the extent to which genes may interact with interests and habits) have a lot to do with this though. So does very early life experiences. Even being born premature might have had some value, in that the slower we grow perhaps the slower we age? Not having kids may have been a factor too? Also, there is a lot to be said for a positive outlook on life however you get that.

      Related resources on healthy diet:
      http://www.amazon.com/Food-Revolution-Your-Diet-World/dp/1573244872
      http://www.amazon.com/Diet-New-America-John-Robbins/dp/0915811812
      http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/foodpyramid.aspx
      http://drfuhrman.com/library/article16.aspx

      Fasting (like for lent) which often connects to religion (and eating less in the past from being less wealthy) can also help:
      http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/healthy-food-dr-fuhrman-on-fasting.html

      And on getting enough vitamin D (and she was out and about plus maybe got some from herring she liked):
      http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-to-get-your-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-supplementation/
      http://www.grassrootshealth.net/recommendation
      http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/vitamin_D_recommendations.aspx

      Understanding about good and bad fats:
      http://peakperformance.runnersworld.com/2011/05/may-9-the-great-fat-debate-does-the-total-fat-in-your-diet-matter.html
      http://nutsci.org/2011/05/04/the-great-fat-debate/
      http://www.adajournal.org/article/S0002-8223(11)00291-4/fulltext

      Mental health:
      http://books.google.com/books?id=bCuC2H-6k_8C
      http://books.google.com/books?id=RKZreNYKNHQC
      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/06/what-makes-us-happy/7439/
      http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912/dobbs-orchid-gene

      Treadmill workstations for computer users (but be sure to get vitamin D being indoors so much):
      http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/08/the-treadmill-workstation/
      http://www.squidoo.com/walkingwhileworking

      Community level ideas for health:

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    53. Re:Hopefully by jackbird · · Score: 1

      they're probably the only kids permitted regular pediatrician visits.

      Say what now? Not only are well-child visits and vaccinations mandated to have zero co-pay for all insurers under Obamacare, they weren't particularly expensive to begin with even if paying out-of-pocket. And although the Republicans are hard at work gutting it, CHIP and Medicaid gets poor kids decent access to healthcare, too.

    54. Re:Hopefully by jackbird · · Score: 1

      Well, if you impregnated as many females per year as a corn stalk does, you'd have something.

      Such as a staggering child support bill.

    55. Re:Hopefully by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Look up the stats - the majority of millionaires are self made. Those who are raised as spoiled children of millionaires (or billionaires) generally are too incompetent to keep from blowing all of their inheritance. The problem is that it's easier for people like you to make excuses such as "Oh, someone handed them all of that money" instead of admitting that you didn't work as hard / make the right choices to get to the same position.

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    56. Re:Hopefully by tehdaemon · · Score: 1

      DNA_codon_table

      Aspartic acid, Tyrosine. In that order.

      (The last A doesn't do anything)

      T

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    57. Re:Hopefully by Billhead · · Score: 1

      The difference is want and need. If you steal a bread to feed your children (and yourself) is a want. To steal an xbox to entertain your children is a want.

      I think you meant "need" for the first example?

    58. Re:Hopefully by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Diet is overwhelmingly why we live longer and healthier than our dark-ages counterparts. The idea that diet is unimportant is massively wrong, and based in overwhelming ignorance. If you want an example canonical case, look up scurvy, and just how many people were horribly afflicted by it

      Scurvy was a huge problem to long-distance sailing and marching armies, but not your average farmer or fisherman. Here in Norway a male who was 80 in 1906-1910 could expect to live 5.90 years on average, a hundred years later 7.58 years. The same figures for women are 6.30 to 9.36 years. So the last 100 years has only stretched the maximum life span by 2-3 years, while the average lifespan has gone up 26 years. That's for the most part hygiene and medicine keeping people alive. While the accounts of people living past 100 are questionable, we have quite a few recorded cases of ancient Greeks living over 90 years. What dragged the numbers down was infant mortality, men dying at a tip of the blade and women dying in child labor, infected wounds and disease. Apart from the times there was famine, the diet was usually not the problem.

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    59. Re:Hopefully by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      so the people that take more than their fair share today will be the same people in the future, only they'll be better looking?

      sounds like society's standard of beauty will move on and the rich will have to turn their genes into a leatherface patchwork in order to keep up with the resultant frequent shifts in beauty standards. this will cause the kind of detriment on a genetic level that we see on people like Jocelyn Wildenstein or the late Michael Jackson. rich kids will have arthritis by the time they're 10yo, and will need armed guards to prevent a poor person from snapping their neck by bumping them.

      arbitrary gene selection has nothing to do with fitness for survival, as we've seen with dog breeding.

    60. Re:Hopefully by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

      Be that as it may, "ObamaCare" isn't the law of the land just yet. Whether or not the health reform legislation, aka "ObamaCare" is worthwhile or not will not be known until you know, it's actually enacted. One thing is certain though, you cannot point to un-enacted legislation as a case-in-point against the OP's claim.

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    61. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how does the existence of Alzheimer's help society not starve?

    62. Re:Hopefully by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      What's a good job is a matter of opinion. Some people feel gardening as a perfect job, or contructing. Nice in the outdoors, some workout. Perfect. You may find the workout not as valuabe, and the outdoors cold and rainy. That makes it a less than perfect job for you.
      For you the top 2 percent may contain work like programming or such. For someone else the top 2 percent may contain something else entirely.

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    63. Re:Hopefully by georgesdev · · Score: 1

      May we clone you?

    64. Re:Hopefully by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      arbitrary gene selection has nothing to do with fitness for survival, as we've seen with dog breeding.

      - as I said: it's an interesting theory and it's even more interesting in practice. What do you have against it?

      As to this:

      so the people that take more than their fair share today will be the same people in the future, only they'll be better looking?

      - I disagree. When Jobs died people didn't say he 'took more than his fair share'. When people create businesses and make much more money than they ever use on themselves AND they continue working, they are basically benefactors. They build the economy so that then others can come and claim that they 'took more than their fair share'. They definitely pay more than anything that could ever be considered 'fair share' in both taxes and work.

    65. Re:Hopefully by jackbird · · Score: 1

      Actually, that regulation is enacted, based on the sign at our pediatrician's office.

    66. Re:Hopefully by somersault · · Score: 1

      I like workouts and the outdoors. I also like programming yes. I don't think all construction or programming jobs would be "good" jobs. On top of that you have plenty of minimum wage jobs that don't count as good simply for the level of pay. You can only relax and stop worrying about money over a certain threshhold income.

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    67. Re:Hopefully by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Cool, so get back to us in 30 years when these kids are well into the workforce and affecting society.

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    68. Re:Hopefully by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The only statistics I can find seem to indicate that wealthy people either self-classify as self made (haha), or that inherited wealth is only a small percentage of their wealth.

      In reality, wealthy people transfer most of their wealth before death and the benefits of being born to a wealthy family go far beyond inheritance. Inheriting money is for children of misers and people who hit the lottery late in life.

    69. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Way to completely miss the point of what GATTACA was all about...

    70. Re:Hopefully by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      At least in the US and UK...

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    71. Re:Hopefully by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      For a great example of this, look at Paris Hilton. She will never be productive.

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    72. Re:Hopefully by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I have heard that it is possible that the obesity epidemic in the US may be because of Corn Syrup, which is in nearly every prepared food here. How is that for fatty (0) while being high in carbs (99%?)

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    73. Re:Hopefully by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yep, generally refined foods are pretty bad for us, I guess because we haven't evolved to deal with them. We're used to eating food with roughage and fat that slow digestion, so as not to dump energy into our bodies so rapidly.

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    74. Re:Hopefully by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you realize how cheap this could be. Currently, the best way to insert a gene into an animal cell is with a virus.

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    75. Re:Hopefully by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      One of the best ways of inserting a gene into an animal cell is with a virus. Many types of bacteria can accept free floating DNA. DNA for a virus is introduced but modified so that instead of DNA to make more viruses, the virus contains the gene to be inserted. You just need to keep feeding the bacteria for an infinite supply.

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    76. Re:Hopefully by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      "Mandatory" for some value of mandatory, with exceptions for believing in an invisible man that floats in the sky, illogical fears of vaccinations (e.g. the disproven autism "link"), etc.

      Are there any that are *truly* mandatory, in that you absolutely will not get [some service] without it? I doubt it.

    77. Re:Hopefully by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      without examining the benefits of more vitamin C in your diet

      The refutations of Linus Pauling's beliefs about vitamin C doesn't qualify?

    78. Re:Hopefully by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Here in Norway a male who was 80 in 1906-1910 could expect to live 5.90 years on average

      You're STARTING at 80? That's ridiculous. I'm sure that's one hell of a bathtub curve there.

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  3. anonymous woman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

    1. Re:anonymous woman? by houghi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrikje_van_Andel-Schipper and you would be right.

      I know. my father is her nephew and he still has occasional contact with that doctor. We even knew about this news a month ago, but he asked us to keep it quiet till he presented it.

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    2. Re:anonymous woman? by quenda · · Score: 1

      TFS says "tests at the age of 113 showed she had the mental abilities of a woman aged 60-75 years."
      But wiki article says she moved into a nursing home at 105. Why was that?

    3. Re:anonymous woman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably because her physical side degenerated faster? Fuck this "aging" shit, when are we, as a species, going to get serious about our lifespan? You don't expect mayflies to fly across the Atlantic, why do people think we'll colonize the universe with balding, farting, arthritic middle-aged people with guts and bifocals?

  4. Cyborg by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    From the future. Just saying.

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  5. Not surprising... by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People over the age of 90 are typically very healthy - people with bad health habits often die before 70, though a few last until their mid-80s. If you make it to 90, you've got a very good chance of making 100. In addition, healthy people usually have good intellects regardless of their age - I've met more than a few 90+ year olds who are quite sharp.

    1. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Citation needed. This table claims life expancy at 90 is 3.8 years (in the US?).

    2. Re:Not surprising... by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      People over the age of 90 often are very ill, much more than people that are around 30. The ill ones you don't see, because they are in special care and not out on the streets. People over 90 often have bad habits, just about as often as people that are around 30. Statistics say that if you make it to 90, you have less than 50% of making 100, while If you are around 30, you have over 95% making it to 40. Your assumptions are flawed and not based on any numbers or facts.

      True, not everyone that smokes dies of cancer or vascular disease, but that doesn't mean that nobody at 90 has ever smoked, or doesn't still smoke. Wat is a fact, is that people that fall seriously ill (due to bad habits, bad luck or genetically triggered), usually don't live very long if it happens after they are around 70 years old. The human body is slower to recover from illness when we get older, so serious conditions take much more victims amongst the elderly. An elderly person that gets a vascular disease at old age, usually dies from that.

      The people with a genetic disposition for vascular diseases, usually get symptoms well before they make it to 90 years old. The same applies for several other "big killers" like Alzheimers, cancer, osteoporosis, the effects of virusus (HPV causes cancer in a significant part of the population, HIV kills all but a few, that seem to be resistant) and probably a few more. The genome of someone that made it to 115 is important just for that. How do we find out what combination of genes "protects" us from the "big killers"?

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    3. Re:Not surprising... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I do see a lot of the ones that are in special care, though I will admit that my information is anecdotal. If you look at the table that the AC that replied to me pointed out, you can see that by 90, another year of life only decreases your life expectancy by about three months. Their odds may not be better than 50%, but they're a lot better than the average 30-year-old's.

    4. Re:Not surprising... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      And at age 91, your life expectancy is 3.54 years - i.e., having lived another year, you have a life expectancy that has gone down by only about three months.

    5. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking retarded? In that year there was a 33% chance of dying you ***.

    6. Re:Not surprising... by ne0n · · Score: 1

      If you make it to 90, you've got a very good chance of making 100.

      The problem with this reasoning is that your probability of dying doubles every six years. At 80, your chance of dying is already pretty high, then at 86 you can double it again.

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    7. Re:Not surprising... by ooshna · · Score: 1

      I work in a nursing home all it takes is one slip and most 80+ year olds are done for. Either they hit their heads and die quickly or fracture/break a bone and spend a few years in a downward spiral. Its really really sad but that's how it is. I've seen more people become shells of their former selves from falls than from anything sudden like a stroke or pneumonia.

    8. Re:Not surprising... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      fucking

      ***.

      Well, do you want to curse me, or not? And how do you come to the conclusion that you have a 33% chance of dying?

    9. Re:Not surprising... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      "Very good" is, of course, a relative term.

    10. Re:Not surprising... by PoopCat · · Score: 1

      In several parts of the world (France for one, IIRC), fucking (and other sex-related words) are not considered curses, but words that invoke the almighty invisible sky-fairy *are*. So it would not be cursing to say "you fucking asshole", but it would be the height of rudeness to tell someone to go to hell.

      Indeed, in Greece (again, if memory serves) the worst insult is something like 'go with the devil'.

      Not saying that this is necessarily related to the GP's post, but it might provide some context for the rather odd self-censorship.

  6. Oblig. Farnsworth Quote by fragMasterFlash · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Good news, everyone!"

  7. Given her age... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the social customs of the periods she lived through, she is almost certain to have been a smoker....

    1. Re:Given her age... by houghi · · Score: 2

      She wasn't. She did not dislike alcohol. Many stories she told me where not always about events where everybody was sober. Being the first to walk the ice in winter so your name would be engraved in the local pub will be just one of those.

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  8. Not anonymous by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    This was a women in the Netherlands. Only one female ever made it to the age of 115 ever in the Netherlands. Even though the results are officially anonymous, there is only one person that could have been the donor. By stating the age she died, they effectively gave away her identity.

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  9. You apes want to live forever? by virb67 · · Score: 1

    Don't get your hopes up. You're all going to die, most sooner than you wish. Make the most of what you got... you apes.

    1. Re:You apes want to live forever? by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      Maybe not forever.... Ask me again in a few thousand years.

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  10. She's not anonymous by MonoSynth · · Score: 1

    She's the oldest Dutch person ever:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrikje_van_Andel-Schipper

    The retirement home where she lived until her death is just a couple hundred meters away from where I work.

  11. Scary thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thought of extending life for ppl. The interesting issue is that it would be more centered on the wealthy. And yet, these are some of the worst for those that trash out the planet. Says a lot.

  12. Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by houghi · · Score: 5, Informative

    She was my great aunt : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrikje_van_Andel-Schipper

    She donated her body already at the age of 80-85. To be talking in /. terms, she open sourced her body. She gave it to science or in her words "Let students and doctors cut me into little pieces and let those youngsters find out why I became this old." She had yearly meetings with the doctor who told her the whole procedure of what would happen when she died.
    That was also the reason some nurse was with her, so when the moment came, they would not loose any valuable time.

    This is not disrespectful. This was her wish for more then 20 years.

    The reason she is "anonymous" is because some idiots were claiming to be speaking of her behalf and said that a doctor could not bring out personal information regardless of the fact that this was the specific demand of the patient. Let the knowledge be spread. And knowing her, that would include her name as well.

    As her closest family (my dad, born 1930 and still healthy) and myself are living in other countries, we did not know of this trouble. Otherwise at least I would have intervened.

    I also like to donate my blood (or just DNA if it is a nice looking nurse) for the same research, but I am afraid it might end up with some sort of Monsanto. Scary that I am afraid of a company stealing my DNA when I want to give it to science.

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    1. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lazarus Long? Is that you? (sorry couldn' help myself)

    2. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Since you actually have a problem most of us don't have, somebody might actually want your body, you should contact EFF or RMS and ask them to help you draft a special GPL-like license for it.

    3. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by houghi · · Score: 2

      RMS? I rather give my body to Bill Gates.

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    4. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by marga · · Score: 1

      She had a very unusual life, at least by our standards. Reading about her life makes me think that it may not be the genes so much as the environment that made her live that much.

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    5. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's a disturbing mental image. On the internet, what can be seen cannot be unseen.

    6. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also like to donate my blood (or just DNA if it is a nice looking nurse) for the same research, but I am afraid it might end up with some sort of Monsanto. Scary that I am afraid of a company stealing my DNA when I want to give it to science.

      You could sign up for the Personal Genome Project.

    7. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by quenda · · Score: 2

      RMS? I rather give my body to Bill Gates.

      He is waiting.
      http://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/post-59416-1105987532.jpg

    8. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you're going to have the lowest operational Slashdot UID some day.

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    9. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      RMS and ask them to help you draft a special GPL-like license for it.

      RMS will not be glad you're dead, but he'll be glad you're gone.

    10. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't bother with US organizations such as the EFF. You'd help far more by donating your DNA to the same Dutch(European) researchers, and then EU law applies. Under Article 5 of the Biotechnology Directive, "the human body [...] and the simple discovery of one of its elements, including the sequence or partial sequence of a gene, cannot constitute patentable inventions". It says literally that your DNA is not a parentable invention.

    11. Re:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper is W115 by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you're going to have the lowest operational Slashdot UID some day.

      I doubt it. I intend to sell mine to cover my medical expenses ;-)

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  13. W115 = Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

    Here in the Netherlands it was all over the news that Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper, a lady who died at age 115 and left her body to science, had speciale genes.

    1. Re:W115 = Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      First time a cheesehead has ever given anything away!

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    2. Re:W115 = Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

      Really a silly remark if you think about the amouth of money that the Dutch donate to charity and to funds to third world countries compared to other countries. See List of most charitable countries.

    3. Re:W115 = Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more surprised to learn that there are people bigoted against the Dutch. No offense, but there aren't THAT many Dutch people and it's not as if they're a world power... why would anyone have a problem with the Dutch?

    4. Re:W115 = Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper by Pikkebaas · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia says that "The Netherlands has the 16th largest economy in the world, and ranks 7th in GDP (nominal) per capita."

  14. Re:Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Time is short and we like it when the most important word appears first. Sorry but the ability to skim through a bunch of titles quickly trumps grammar.

  15. Grammar? by mosb1000 · · Score: 0

    Is it grammatically correct to say "DNA Sequenced of Woman Who Lived to 115?" I feel like it should say "DNA of Woman Who Lived to 115 Sequenced."

    1. Re:Grammar? by quenda · · Score: 0

      Neither is a grammatically correct sentence, as they lack a main verb. Not even a correct clause, though both are clear enough.
      There seem to be no rules governing grammar of article headlines.

    2. Re:Grammar? by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      "sequence" is a noun and verb.

      Biologist use that all the time when ordering grad students around. "You! Sequence those 500 tissue samples!"

    3. Re:Grammar? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I believe that the missing verb referred to is "is" or "has been". Still, to save space,that type of word is often left as implicitly understood in headlines rather than explicitly stated.

  16. Diseases are NOT caused by age! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    showed no signs of dementia or heart disease

    This is well-studied (e.g. by Dr. M. O. Bruker with over 50,000 patients over 50 years) and one of the biggest misconceptions people have.

    Nearly all of the diseases we think of as age-related actually just come with decades of aggregated wrongdoing. And most of those are because of non-species-appopriate nutrition. Only a small rest is caused by genetics. Because most genetic errors express earlier.

    But apparently, ignorance is alive and well in some scientists” too...

    1. Re:Diseases are NOT caused by age! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Knowledge of genetics is far from complete. Differences can lead to susceptibility/resistance to certain diseases, poisons, etc.. In some cases there's a tradeoff involved. There can be differences that might not qualify as an "error", that would nonetheless reduce the likelihood of living to extreme old age.

      Yes, there's ignorance involved here, because knowledge of genetics is incomplete. But to imply that genetics does not strongly influence the odds of living to extreme age assumes facts not in evidence.

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  17. Alzheimer's - Old timer's by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Barely on topic, but:

    Anybody heard people say "old-timer's disease" instead of "Alzheimer's disease"?

    Iâ(TM)ve always thought that "old-timerâ(TM)s disease" was a clever if tastelesspun on "Alzheimerâ(TM)s Disease"; but many people have assured me that thisis a common and quite unintentional error.

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    1. Re:Alzheimer's - Old timer's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, people do it all the time in rural Texas. And yes, it sounds idiotic.

    2. Re:Alzheimer's - Old timer's by Soralin · · Score: 2
    3. Re:Alzheimer's - Old timer's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One I heard recently was, "I breed Rockwilders." You'd think if you were breeding it you'd at least know it's called Rottweiler.

    4. Re:Alzheimer's - Old timer's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to say that as a kid, mainly because I misheard what the grown-ups said. And of course, the description fits, which probably contributed to the error.

  18. Not much to shout about by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    "she had the mental abilities of a woman aged 60-75 years."

    So basically, she was a 'tard?

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  19. Oblig. Professor Putricide Quote by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

    "Good news, everyone!"

    "...I've fixed the poison slime pipes!"

  20. Hmm by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

    This may be modded as flamebait, but I dunno if I want to have Alzheimer's treated by DNA modification.

    My paternal grandma lives with us, and she is suffering from alzheimer's. It's is very painful, among other things, she does not recognise her own son and daughter-in-law, and thinks they are her father and mother, since she sees us call them dad and mom. So I know what it feels like, it's absolutely horrible and terrifying, and I don't ever want to go through that when I grow old.

    But I don't know if DNA modification is the answer. I would never submit to that, nor would I submit my grandmother or any other family member to such a treatment. I would rather suffer Alzheimer, rather suffer some unknown side effect that could prove to be even worse, and may ironically not even cure alzeheimer!

    I will readily agree it's a rather conservative view of mine, but I would rather we not mess with DNA.

    Just my two cents.

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    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you tried coconut oil? It may sound ridiculous, but the active ingredient in Axona, the most recent Alzheimer's drug is a medium chain fatty acid similar to what is found in virgin coconut oil. I am not a doctor, but if I had a loved one suffering from this, then I might try anything.

      http://www.anh-usa.org/coconut-oil-and-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/
      http://alzheimersweekly.com/content/axona-mct-coconut-oil-differences-benefits

    2. Re:Hmm by dentin · · Score: 1

      I think you need to seriously re-evaluate your decision making. Let me help you lay it out in bare form:

      One the one side, we have a 99+% probability of complete dysfunction and death.

      On the other side, we have "some unknown side effect that could prove to be even worse and/or may not work".

      Sit down and really think for a minute about your "unknown side effect" scenarios. What are the odds of it working, 1%, 5%, 10%, 50%? What are the odds of catastrophic failure, 1%, 5%, 10%, 50%? What are the odds of failure that isn't catastrophic? Why did you pick the numbers that you picked? What evidence do you have for those numbers?

      Quite frankly, if it doesn't work or if it fails catastrophically, she's dead anyway, so the losses are roughly equivalent. The odds of success however, are vastly different - because doing nothing is guaranteed to fail, while trying the treatment is not. Taking a larger view, there is also a general research value in having her try treatment, because that additional data may help save the lives of others.

      -dentin

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    3. Re:Hmm by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      But I don't know if DNA modification is the answer. I would never submit to that, nor would I submit my grandmother or any other family member to such a treatment. I would rather suffer Alzheimer, rather suffer some unknown side effect that could prove to be even worse, and may ironically not even cure alzeheimer!

      That's your choice, and it's your right to make it for yourself ...

      I would rather we not mess with DNA.

      ... but not for anyone else. If by "we" you mean yourself and family members who, like your grandmother, are unable to make medical decisions on their own, that's fine. If by "we" you mean everybody, there's a serious problem here.

      My grandfather died with Alzheimer's last year. He was a brilliant man, and seeing his mind decay while his body was still relatively healthy was heartbreaking. If there had been any treatment that would have given him a chance at a better life, he'd have taken it, and I and the other members of his family would have backed him 100%. He was fascinated by my bioinformatics work, and although he never came out and said it, I think he always hoped that I'd make some discovery that would make a difference in time to help him. Hell, so did I. Real-world science doesn't work like that, of course, but if years or decades down the line, something I do leads to a treatment that can keep someone else from suffering the way our families have, you had better not stand in the way of the people who want that treatment, because they will trample you.

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    4. Re:Hmm by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      I would rather we not mess with DNA.

      You better not have any kids then.

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  21. This is an interesting table. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plotting the difference in life expectancy (dle) by year for males, you see a couple
    of things. First, there's infant mortality at 0-3 years., so dle goes from .4 to nearly
    1 From 3 to 13 there's a small increase in life expectancy each year. Then a drop (?)
    Then an increase from about 21 to 30, when males do stupid things. So every one of
    those years you survive increases your life expectancy. Then there's a smooth curve
    to about 100, then it tapers off, but always negative (i.e. every year gets you closer
    to death, by varying amounts).

    The curve does flatten out after 100, I guess you get beyond the diseases and
    other failings and you're just wearing out.

  22. School by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    We currently have this with our schools. You don't get to the top if you didn't go to the "right" school.

  23. Re:Congressman or monkey by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    You know, I'm going to consider changing my sig to something like "Put monkeys into Congress" or something similar. You just got friended.

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  24. Re:Congressman or monkey by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Yep, changed it. May need some fine tuning.

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  25. So go reproduce by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    And tell all your cousins to get busy too. We need to replicate those genes regardless of weather we can figure out which ones caused it.

    1. Re:So go reproduce by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      What does the weather have to do with anything?

      [rimshot]

  26. DNA studies already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simple dietary and behavioral changes will make such diseases fleetingly rare.

    It's obvious already. Finish a supersize meal or two at McD every day and you're unlikely to get Alzheimer's nor die of cancer.

    p.s. meanwhile they should sequence the DNA of some of the ultra-obese, and figure out how they manage to get so fat ( > 500kg) without dying.

    The problem with this hypothesis is that people ate healthy for many years, McDonalds and other unhealthy eating habits et al only came along relatively recently, and the percentage of very long-lived people has been unchanged. Through history, Alzheimers and senior dementia has always appeared in the elderly population, no matter how healthy they ate and how much exercise they got. Studies have shown that dietary and exercise good or bad habits can only change your expected genetic lifespan by about 5 years (barring accidental death).

    My family lives until their mid-90s, then drops. Thin members of my family, fat members of my family,smokers, drinkers, it makes no difference. My great-grandmother smoked two packs a day until the day she dropped at age 94, my grandmother was always overweight, and just turned 91. Her sister was an organic gardener and is 89 (they look nearly identical now as age-related drops in my grandmother's appetite has dropped my grandmother's weight)

    By the way, they have sequenced the DNA of the ultra-obese, and found there are DNA changes that trigger changes in the metabolism, prevent the release of a hormone that tells you when you're full, and other things. So far they have found quite a few DNA markers that affect weight, in both directions.

  27. a single subject is useless by cthlptlk · · Score: 1

    Having her sequence information doesn't really help to identify any mutation that might affect aging. You need a lot of subjects with the same phenotype (and you don't really know what the phenotype is) before you can start to identify the gene(s) you are looking for.

  28. What expected life span means... by tehdaemon · · Score: 1

    An 80 year old grandmother takes two of her grandchildren (ages 4 and 6) for a walk in the park. They are the only ones in the park. What is the average age of the people in the park? And is there anyone in the park within 20 years of that average age?

    The low expected lifespans in previous years was due mostly to the fact that half of all children died before they reached 15 or so. The adults lived almost as long as we do on average. Very few people died in their 30's and 40's. Please re-think your conclusions in light of these facts.

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    1. Re:What expected life span means... by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      Is there a citation for this? I've heard this repeated a few times recently.

      You could die from a cut in the pre-antibiotic era. Bacterial diseases were rampant. Yes, there was higher child mortality, but lack of antibiotics would likely have massively reduced lifespan for adults.

      Hopefully in the future, cancer and viral diseases will be treated as effectively as bacteria-based diseases are treated.

    2. Re:What expected life span means... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      ...i'd hate to see the antiviral resistant virii, and chemo resistant cancers.

      (i do see your point, of course, but a nitpick in a post is worth two in the bush)

    3. Re:What expected life span means... by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      Cancerous cell lines are an evolutionary dead end.* They can evolve within the host, but once the host dies all adaptations are lost.

      One thing that I think shows promise for bacterial infections is phage therapy, researched extensively in the Soviet Union. Viruses are used to attack bacteria with the benefit that the virus evolves new ways to attack the bacteria as the bacteria evolves defences against it. Viruses are highly specific, so they won't attack the host.

      *There are a very few exceptions. Some cell lines can evolve the ability to survive outside the host, becoming "immortal" cell lines. They are only dangerous to the original host however, otherwise acting as an independent organism.

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    4. Re:What expected life span means... by tehdaemon · · Score: 1
      Try this on for size. I haven't read this particular paper, but I glanced at the charts on the first 2 pages, there is a fair bit of data on some modern hunter-gatherers. source

      T

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  29. Re:It's actually bad to donate to science. by TheoMurpse · · Score: 2

    The AVERAGE life expectancy of Tibetans and Hunza muslims is around 115

    Just so you know, everyone reading your post knows you're full of it.

  30. What did she eat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know what her diet was?

  31. Look up the stats...? by real-modo · · Score: 1

    Where?

  32. Re: simple dietary changes by neonsignal · · Score: 1

    rollmops and advocaat with cream?

  33. Identity of the subject by Raul654 · · Score: 1

    It took me all of 5 minutes to figure out the identity of the woman. There are very, very few women who live to be 115, and Wikipedia has a comprehensive list of them. Since 2006, only three women have died at the age of 115. The BBC article says the women entered assisted living at the age of 105. I tried cross referencing that with their Wikipedia biographies, and bam - "She lived on her own until 1999 when she was 105 years old, and resided at the Western Convalescent Home in Jefferson Park, Los Angeles until her death." The identify of the woman is Gertrude Baines.

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    1. Re:Identity of the subject by Raul654 · · Score: 1

      Whoops - swing and a miss.

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    2. Re:Identity of the subject by tengu1sd · · Score: 1

      aka Maureen Smith

  34. If we can find out how to get this gene by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    If we can find out how to get this gene to appear in everybody, we could get to push the new age lifespan of humans to be 150....no?

  35. Is there any real science about her longevity? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Is there any science concerning her? All I saw in the BBC News story is speculation.

  36. Re:If it bleeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever tried to kill a vagina?