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Trademark Trouble For RIM Over New "BBX" Name

AZA43 writes "As if its latest BlackBerry service outage--the worst in company history--and the mass exodus of BlackBerry users to iOS and Android weren't bad enough, RIM is now facing a potential trademark lawsuit over the name of its next generation BlackBerry OS: BBX. The BBX announcement was the most significant news to come from RIM's BlackBerry Developer Conference this week, and now it looks like RIM may have change the upcoming platform's name to something else. RIM just can't seem to do anything right these days."

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  1. due diligence? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, come on people - you could hire a fucking INTERN for $10 an hour to look and see if there's any prior art or previous use of the term BBX, and I'm pretty sure that even if the kid isn't that bright or skilled, after about a week, they would have been able to give some kind of a thumbs up/down on this. This is just GLARING incompetence and mind boggling arrogance on the part of RIM.

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    1. Re:due diligence? by swebster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Almost as crazy as naming your product "iPhone" when there was already another phone with that name.

    2. Re:due diligence? by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe. RIMs response seems to indicate they think that the fields are far enough apart that it isn't a trademark violation, and they may be right. An OS vs a database/ toolset/ language? Just being in the tech field doesn't mean there is a trademark violation.

      A search on the USPTO shows several "BBX" tms, (including BASIS), several of which are in the tech field (on is even for a telecommunications suite). This took me ~45 seconds. I'm guessing they did the same. I think RIM definitely intended to say that the terms aren't in the same specific field and are therefore not confusing. Actual practice may prove them wrong, which would really suck for them.

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    3. Re:due diligence? by sootman · · Score: 2

      The difference is in the response.

      Apple: "Hi Cisco, here's a large check, thanks for letting us use the name." (And I guarantee you they were in discussions with Cisco BEFORE the Apple iPhone was launched. The name was settled shortly thereafter.)

      RIM: whine, whine, whine.

      Come on RIM, a freaking GOOGLE SEARCH would have shown you on Page 1 that someone else was using 'bbx' for another piece of software. You're not that helpless.

      Firefox already went through this twice with Phoenix (the BIOS) and Firebird (the database.)

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  2. Re:BBNX by wsxyz · · Score: 2

    Why not just go straight to BBUNIX then? That has a nice 70's-80's ring to it.

  3. RIM never heard of due diligence ? by boogahboogah · · Score: 2

    I mean, c'mon, do a google search before you name a flagship product, at least check to see if the name has already been used.

    The BBx folks (company name BASIS) have been around for over 25 years and have many thousands of sites using their products in the US, Eurozone, and the far east. A large VAR base and some great new products built with Java that run almost anywhere, from server to PC to hand held phone or tablet..

    Maybe the RIM folks think they'll get away with it because they're bigger ?

  4. Re:BBNX by MachDelta · · Score: 2

    Other suggestions:

    BBXeh
    iBBX
    BB-XXX
    BBX 360
    neoBBX

    ?

  5. Re:Poor RIM by Animats · · Score: 2

    This is going to cost RIM money. BBX, Business Basic eXtended, was a bigger deal 20 years ago than it is now, but it still has some user base. 3 letters, though, are a weak trademark, unless very well known. For a rather lame choice of letters, though, this was dumb.

    Apple had to settle with Cisco over "IPhone"'; Cisco did in fact have a VoIP phone system called that. Apple over the years had to pay off McIntosh Amplifiers and Apple Records (both notable brands in the 1960s). Apple had a second round of trouble when they moved into the music industry, and had to pay out even more money to Apple Records.

    General Motors got into trouble with Beretta (GM: cars, Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta: guns), and settled that one relatively inexpensively.

  6. Basis doesn't really use the name by Demonantis · · Score: 2

    Their product isn't even called BBx anymore. They call it BBj so I don't understand why their customers would be confused. http://www.basis.com/bbj

  7. If they can't use BBX, here's another name... by Logaan · · Score: 4, Funny

    If BBX is supposed to be a combination of BlackBerry and QNX (BBX), and they can't use it, then they should just name it BlackBerry and QNX (BBQ).

    Might be catchy; "Hey, I'll BBQ you later!"

  8. Who honestly cares? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 2

    "As if its latest BlackBerry service outage--the worst in company history--and the mass exodus of BlackBerry users to iOS and Android weren't bad enough, RIM is now facing a potential trademark lawsuit over the name of its next generation BlackBerry OS: BBX. The BBX announcement was the most significant news to come from RIM's BlackBerry Developer Conference this week, and now it looks like RIM may have change the upcoming platform's name to something else. RIM just can't seem to do anything right these days."

    Who cares what they call their OS? I don't base my OS selection on name, but rather on performance.

    This article is the tech-equivalent of critiquing the merits of what outfit Kim Kardashian wore out last weekend.

  9. I've fucking heard of BBx! by HiggsBison · · Score: 2

    Nobody in the world has ever fucking heard of the other BBX before.

    I've fucking heard of BBx! I'm surprised it still exists. I can't believe there's a fucking Thoroughbred Basic for Vista. At least MAI Basic Four, Micro Five, and Microshare seem to have fallen by the wayside.

    But JHFCoaS, nothing says "stuck in the '70s" like BBx. Oy!

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    1. Re:I've fucking heard of BBx! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Conspiracy Theory ....

      BB knew that BBX was already taken. They announce "BBX" anyway, get publicity for the announcement. Then BBX trademark owner Basis comes along and complains, rightly so AND PREDICTABLE, more publicity. Next up, BB changes the name to something else, gets MORE PUBLICITY and comes off either looking really good ("oops sorry") or if they do it wrong like an idiot ("Doh, sorry"). I give them two days to change the name before they look like idiots.

      Three rounds of publicity on product name alone. AND everyone here will know what the name is. There is no such thing as "Bad Publicity", if it is managed right.

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  10. Re:BBNX by justforgetme · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about BBQ?

    I'll bring the coal!

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  11. Re:I'll take what the platform offers...! by Octorian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And if anyone actually was curious, the PlayBook Native SDK actually does run on Linux, and a lot of the F/OSS they've been porting to it is posted on Github.

    http://blackberry.github.com/

  12. Not quite, Cisco fraud by Quila · · Score: 2

    The iPhone trademark had been filed in the 90s by a company that Cisco bought in 2000. The trademark hadn't been used in a phone since 2001, and had expired, except it was in an extended period when Cisco could still renew it by paying an extra fee.

    To renew it, Cisco had to show the trademark was currently in use in commerce. The proof would be a photo of the retail packaging sent to the USPTO. So Cisco literally took an existing Linksys VOIP phone box, slapped an "iPhone" sticker on it, and sent that to the USPTO. In short, Cisco committed fraud to retrieve their abandoned trademark now that it had value to Apple.

    Cisco didn't even start selling this re-labeled phone as an iPhone until AFTER Apple had been in negotiations with Cisco over the technically expired trademark. Cisco didn't really have a case, which is why they settled for a vague promise of "interoperability."