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German Satellite To Fall From Sky

BBC News reports that a German satellite is soon to fall from sky. According to the article: "The Roentgen Satellite (Rosat) is due to come back to Earth at some stage over the weekend - possibly Sunday. Just as for NASA's UARS satellite, which plunged into the atmosphere in September, no one can say precisely when and where Rosat will come in. What makes the redundant German craft's return interesting is that much more debris this time is likely to survive all the way to the Earth's surface. Experts calculate that perhaps as much as 1.6 tonnes of wreckage - more than half the spacecraft's launch mass - could ride out the destructive forces of re-entry and hit the planet."

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  1. The sky is falling! by felipekk · · Score: 2

    Finally all those people running around saying "The sky is falling" are going to be right!

  2. It would be neat... by bryan1945 · · Score: 3, Funny

    (Now remember, I'm saying no loss of life here) if it fell into an American football stadium at halftime. Can you imagine the special that NFL Films would make out of that. Steve Sabol: "Ohhhhhhh, and the satellite falls incomplete on the thirty yard line!" I wonder if that would make SportsCenter's Top 10 Plays of the week? Or would that be the Not Top 10 Plays of the Week? Official box score- "Game cancelled due to severe satellite weather conditions. Attendance: 54,321, plus 1 hunk of metal and a Martian." Would the home team get a Delay of Game penalty? You know how sometimes kids can run the baseball bases before/after a game? They could have an impromptu Run Around the Crater. Have the mascots do a tug of war with it? So many opportunities.

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    1. Re:It would be neat... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about if it fell on some holy site that the 3 major religions are fighting over, and obliterated it completely, leaving nothing to fight over except a big smoking hole in the ground? "An act of God Allah | FSM".

    2. Re:It would be neat... by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      If it was FSM there would be sauce for all to be enjoyed. But you need to bring your own pasta.
      On a more serious side, can you imagine the 14 trillion interpretations that would come with that disaster?

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    3. Re:It would be neat... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Well, it ended because someone found out what it is for and why it is there. Therefore it was replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

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    4. Re:It would be neat... by Slashdot+Assistant · · Score: 2

      They'll just fight for control of their holy smoking crater. These people are deranged.

    5. Re:It would be neat... by wisty · · Score: 2

      There's some theory on the intertubes about the "evaporative cooling" of religions - if something discredits a religion (i.e. the "imortal" founder dies), then the moderates start leaving, and only the real nutters remain, so the religion becomes even *more* extreme.

  3. Back of the envelope calculation by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Relevant comic: http://www.askdreldritch.com/comic687.html. More substantially, there's now a twitter feed with regular updates http://twitter.com/#!/ROSAT_Reentry. The rate of descent is pretty fast. One thing to keep in mind is that although the chance of someone being hit by debris is around 1 in 3000 or so, the chance of a specific person being hit is much lower. It is extremely unlikely that two people will be hit so by a rough approximation, if someone is hit there is a 1 in 6 billion chance that it is you. So the chance is about 1/(3000 * 10^9)= 1 in 3 trillion. Even if one assumes a fairly high probability that when one person gets hit multiple people will get hit, the chance is still on the order of 1 in a trillion. That said, this sort of uncontrolled reentry is not ideal. But most satellites are either in higher orbits or are small enough such that everything will burn up when they reenter. Large satellites entering in an uncontrolled fashion is pretty rare.

    1. Re:Back of the envelope calculation by jittles · · Score: 2

      I RTFA and it said that the satellite may fall anywhere between the UK and the tip of south America. I was going to say your math was way off because there are a lot of people that could never be in the path of the falling satellite. Unfortunately, I was wrong about how much area this thing will cover. Of course there are still people that cannot possibly be hit, including anyone who is currently working in the Antarctic area. Possibly people in parts of the former USSR countries too, I don't know. I am too lazy to look at exactly how far north some of those areas are.

    2. Re:Back of the envelope calculation by PPH · · Score: 2

      It is extremely unlikely that two people will be hit

      Which is why I plan on spending the next few days underneath your girlfriend.

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    3. Re:Back of the envelope calculation by Peristaltic · · Score: 2

      Considering her mass, you'd fare better with the satellite.

  4. Vorsprung durch Technik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1.6 tones of wreckage to make it to the ground? That's quality German craftsmanship for ya, those crappy Yankee satellites just fall to bits! ;)

  5. Re:Satellites dropping due to events of October 2n by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

    A bright comet fell into the sun on October 2, 2011 in synch with a coronal mass ejection bursting out on the other side.

    FUD:

    While it looks to the casual observer that the comet triggered the ejection, the apparent relationship between an incoming comet and a CME is only a coincidence. At this stage of the solar cycle, the sun is producing many mass ejections -- in fact there were several earlier in the day

  6. Re:Satellites dropping due to events of October 2n by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

    A bright comet fell into the sun on October 2, 2011 in synch with a coronal mass ejection bursting out on the other side.

    FUD:

    While it looks to the casual observer that the comet triggered the ejection, the apparent relationship between an incoming comet and a CME is only a coincidence. At this stage of the solar cycle, the sun is producing many mass ejections -- in fact there were several earlier in the day

    Consider, it would take light over 4 seconds to cross from one side of the sun to the other (if it were crossing vacuum and the sun weren't in the way)... That tiny comet hitting one side couldn't possibly cause a CME to blow off the other side in less than a second.

  7. Re:I hope it hits my house! by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

    No need to sue, though;
    Read up on the 1972 Convention on International Liability for Damage Caused by Space Objects.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Liability_Convention

    The only problem is - it has never actually been tested as far as damages go. Esperance's 'littering' claim (of Skylab pieces falling on a bit of Australia) was cute but more as part of marketing than a serious claim.

    Still, one could invoke that, rather than suing from the get-go.

  8. There are some places it CAN'T come down. by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another news story totally lacking facts.. Why can't any news organization list the ground track of any of these? Knowing if it geosynchronous, geostationary, Polar, or other orbit can list the maximum latitudes this craft will reach. They make me do the research myself. The ground track is listed here;
    http://www.heavens-above.com/orbit.aspx?satid=20638&lat=50.733&lng=7.100&loc=Bonn&alt=57&tz=CET

    Northern Siberia, parts of Alaska, Greenland and Antarctica can't be hit by this. Saying it can come down anywhere is FALSE.

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