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A Decade of Apple Oddities

harrymcc writes "It's been exactly ten years since Steve Jobs stood on a stage at Apple and explained to a surprisingly small group of journalists that his company was going to make a music player and call it iPod. Technologizer's Benj Edwards celebrated the iPod's first decade by rounding up a dozen iPod-related oddities, including the iPod-powered tooth cleaner, an iPod mount for a semi-automatic sniper system, and the classic 1958 Dieter Rams Braun FM radio that may have helped inspire it all."

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  1. Why so much Apple crap here lately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why has there been so much Apple crap here on Slashdot lately? I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a story when Apple does something of a technical nature that's notable, but most of these stories are totally irrelevant and very boring.

    There's nothing special about iPods. They're a digital music player, just like every other digital music player out there. People have modded them for many years now, and many of these same "hacks" were done using portable CD and tape players well before then. None of this is remotely interesting, even to those of us who enjoy such hacks.

    Can we please have some interesting content here for once? Something not having to do with Apple or American politics, perhaps? Maybe something involving science or math in some way, or maybe even engineering?

    1. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, in 2001, the iPod was extremely expensive, ugly and wouldn't work with anything other than a Mac. And as for the iPhone, it wasn't going up against Windows phones, it was going up against RIM's Blackberry, who knows what would have happened had RIM not been criminally incompetent.

    2. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by msobkow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree whole heartedly. Slashdot needs to stop shilling Apple.

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    3. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the articles are free advertising for Apple. The company doesn't care whether the readers and posters are for or against their products. Just so long as you talk about them and spread the name.

      Nor is it limited to SlashDot -- the article titles and summaries are broadcast to social media sites as well, pushing the Apple name into the public eye without comment.

      It's disgraceful.

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    4. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by flimflammer · · Score: 4, Funny

      and more efficiency than any other OS.

      [citation needed]

    5. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You say Apple is "brainwashing" everyone about OS X? Tell me, when did you last see it advertised on TV? How about in print? On the web?

      I think John Hodgman and Justin Long might like to have a few words with you regarding the last time they advertised Macs and OS X.

      And before you embarrass yourself, yes, that was both on TV and on animated banners on the web (I can't confirm seeing print ads). And yes, they DID mention it by "OS X" more than a few times during that campaign.

    6. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by quacking+duck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not so. The iTunes Music Store didn't exist until a year and a half after the first iPod became available. It was also initially compatible only with Macs, which made up only about 5% of the market at the time, further limiting market penetration.

      IMHO the revolutionary part was the iPod combining a number of critical elements:
      - the smallest HDD (physically; by itself the 5GB drive was the price of an iPod)
      - Firewire for fast transfers and charging (cheaper players were agonizingly slow USB1, and required separate charging cable or bulky batteries)
      - the iTunes playlist sync, rather than manual file management (which some people still prefer to this day). So you didn't have to manage files in two locations (computer, and what you wanted on your player)
      - the scrollwheel interface that let you navigate through hundreds of titles efficiently, compared to arrow keys or typing songs to find them.

      Looking at the original /. discussion on it, it's especially hilarious to see a comment about how he didn't like HDD or even Flash-based mp3 players, because CD-mp3 players were cheaper and readily available. That line of thinking is what allowed Apple to steamroll over every other player at the time.

    7. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by bonch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, you are super-awesome and way too independent-minded to like what the sheeple buy from Crapple, right? Please, continue standing cross-armed in the corner, grumbling at everyone else, independent-minded Slashdot poster.

    8. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by antdude · · Score: 2

      So uncheck Apple filter. :P

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    9. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by syousef · · Score: 3

      Why has there been so much Apple crap here on Slashdot lately? I

      Steve Jobs just died. In order to become a saint he must go through a process of beautification. Basically Apple zealots have to stand around and discuss how he invented EVERYTHING from air to slice bread and how it is only through the miracle of his genius that we all basically are allowed to live. Anything positive he had anything to do with must be exaggerated. Anything negative must be minimized or excused.

      Meanwhile a true gentleman and pioneer of modern computing like Ritchie dies and no one outside of nerddom even know who he is. Welcome to a world dominated by idiots and fame based on monkey sociology. Yes even nerds can be idiots.

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    10. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 2

      Haters gonna hate.

      They hate that Apple doesn't suck up to their particular hardware/software/user interface fetish.

      They hate Apple because Apple doesn't care a fat rat's ass what they think or say about Apple.

      They hate Apple because when they got to the opening day of their local Apple Store, the Store had run out of free T-shirts, which meant that they HAD to do laundry and not put it off another few days.

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    11. Re:Why so much Apple crap here lately? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      "There's nothing special about iPods. They're a digital music player, just like every other digital music player out there..." ...except it's the single best selling line of personal music players of all time, having sold more units that all competitors combined.

      So? McDonalds probably sell more burgers each day worldwide than anyone else. That doesn't mean they sell the world's best burgers.

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  2. Fuck apple. by migla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I understand that being in the eyeball-grabbing game, a site must post an avalanche of apple related stories especially around new or upcoming marketing drives, so I'll just state that I wish it wasn't so, that the site wasn't in the eyeball-grabbing game, but in the game of building a quality community. And I'll just leave a friendly reminder:

    Take heed! Apple is evil. They are out to lock you in and to destroy your freedom.

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    1. Re:Fuck apple. by nightfell · · Score: 2

      Take heed! Apple is evil. They are out to lock you in and to destroy your freedom.

      Um, no. They want to sell you things. I'm not sure why the nerd rage. People buy Apple products willingly. And Slashdot isn't posting Apple stories simply because they have to play the game and go for page views. Apple stores are actually news for nerds.

    2. Re:Fuck apple. by migla · · Score: 2

      Actually I agree that they are not evil. I don't believe in evil. I believe acts can be good or bad. Vendor lock-in and destruction of freedom are bad things. Apple is just a legal entity for maximizing profit. It's the whole god damn system that is out of order.

      People shouldn't give money to entities (albeit non-living and amoral) that do bad things like destroying freedom.

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    3. Re:Fuck apple. by migla · · Score: 2

      Look. Marketing works. Otherwise it wouldn't be done. Money is power. Companies like apple can use their power of marketing and power of money to shape the world as they see fit. They are shaping the world into one of for example vendor lock-in and closed source software.

      My idea of freedom is in part constructed by a notion of there being access to source code. When a hugely more influential entity than myself is shaping the world into one where people are influenced by marketing to give money to and buy products from a company that pushes proprietary software, it hampers the social movement of software/information/cultural freedom. That's, off the top of my head, an explanation of how they are destroying freedom.

      The biggest problem is of course the system that encourages greed, closedness and lock-in, and the masses of consumers consume what they are told to consume by marketing, but at least one can state on an online forum every once in a while that open is good - closed bad.

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    4. Re:Fuck apple. by MrHanky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure they want to "sell" you things. That's why, when you already bought one of their products, they make sure you need to buy a new one now and then, through forced obsolescence. You think Siri is nifty? It's only a software update, and would work perfectly on your iPhone4 if Apple didn't want your money so bad. When you buy from Apple, you buy an expensive subscription to new hardware.

    5. Re:Fuck apple. by bonch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      avalanche of apple related stories

      What avalanche? A whopping two out of the last 20 stories have been about Apple--and one of them was really about an Android app mimicking an iPhone feature. The company that Slashdot posts most about is Google.

      Since Android came out, Slashdot has become a ridiculously over-the-top haven for emotional Apple-haters. This place has really jumped the shark.

    6. Re:Fuck apple. by bonch · · Score: 2

      Anyone who thinks buying an MP3 player is going to "destroy your freedom" really needs to go outside for a while and gain some perspective.

    7. Re:Fuck apple. by Tharsman · · Score: 2

      Look. Marketing works. Otherwise it wouldn't be done. Money is power. Companies like apple can use their power of marketing and power of money to shape the world as they see fit. They are shaping the world into one of for example vendor lock-in and closed source software.

      My idea of freedom is in part constructed by a notion of there being access to source code.

      You realize that although Android is Open Source, all the services that manufacturers must include if they want to use the name Android (and have a hope of a carrier to sell them) are not open, right?

      I also have high doubt anyone that owns an Android Phone, regardless how big of an open source advocate they are, have only open source apps installed (mainly due to the notes on things like Google Maps alone not being open source.)

      It's not like you can download the entire Google Maps source code tomorow and setup your own map service, nor your own personal Open Google Docs.

      Yes, core Android is open, but the android that ships in phones is not. You cant legally rip it off and redistribute, not with it's boundled Google branded services.

      If all it takes is for one open source product to be redemed as an Open Source champion, then why is WebKit and Darwin not enough? Why isn't it's effort to standarize the web, removing over dependency towards propietary plugins like Flash, mocked instead of aplauded?

      My goal is not to insult Google. Android is a good OS and deserves it's success. But Google is no angel. Where Apple is "guilty" of mobile market lockdown, Google is guilty of privacy violations. They have gone out of their way to make sure no manufacturer ships an Android device with competing or alternative tracking software, as it threatens their data collection capabilities.

      Again, if you find that's acceptable, great. Same way if some one accepts the downfalls of a "walled garden" then that is great for them too. Neither side is in a position take a "Holier than thou" attitude.

  3. He's dead, can we move on? by newcastlejon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For myself, I could do without a constant stream of articles listing things he may or mat not have designed personally. If Apple release something new and interesting then by all means post it, but I think everyone here knows what an iPod is.

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  4. Re:And Slashdots Founder's Reivew fn the iPod by dmomo · · Score: 2

    Why? He wasn't reviewing what it was to become. Seems a fair opinion giving the time and context.

  5. Re:And Slashdots Founder's Reivew fn the iPod by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact remains, however, that the iPod was lame and continued to be lame until it got wireless. And it didn't have much storage space. Also, it was DRM-laden back then, too.

    It remains the case that Apple's business plan floats along on a big fat gasbag of marketing hype. Mr. Jobs flirted with new-age cult crap in his youth, and learned how to do that stuff pretty effectively. To the degree, even, that True Believers will write this comment off as coming from a Hater.

    Apple's Macintosh, the basis of everything they have become, was founded on the principle that it was a 'hacker proof' machine. And yes, they meant 'hacker' in the old, good sense. It was hyped long and hard as a 'just use it, no screwdriver required, or even permitted' system.

    Many of us have said 'fuck that' for decades.

  6. When Apple stopped being a computer company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's been exactly ten years since Steve Jobs stood on a stage at Apple and explained to a surprisingly small group of journalists that his company was going to make a music player and call it iPod.

    In 'B' school (yeah yeah, heard it all before) we had a Harvard test case about the PC industry which included Apple Computer, Inc. To make a long and boring story short, the test case basically left Apple for dead saying it had no chance competing in the PC industry because of the slim margins (they all do), small market share, etc ....I mentioned that Apple has other things going on and they'll keep kicking. The prof kicked in "as a computer maker, No.They should liquidate" But before I could finish my point - pointing out the iPod and the change in direction of the company - some fangirl kicked in about the wonders of Macs and blah blah blah blah ....

    I was trying to make a point that Apple was no longer a PC Computer maker and they were a personal device maker. And Apple Computer eventually changed their name to Apple, Inc.to reflect that change in direction.;

    I learned two things in my MBA cap class: I just wasted 2+ years on a shit degree. Apple fans can be such conformists.

  7. Re:And Slashdots Founder's Reivew fn the iPod by am+2k · · Score: 2

    Also, it was DRM-laden back then, too.

    Actually, it wasn't, since the iTunes Music Store opened in 2003, while the first iPod came out in 2001. The DRM was added in an update (along with support for AAC).

    Unless you count the lack of support for copying back the music from the iPod as DRM. There were many programs out there that could do it, though (the files were in a hidden directory on the iPod's disk).

  8. Re:And Slashdots Founder's Reivew fn the iPod by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The fact remains, however, that the iPod was lame and continued to be lame until it got wireless. And it didn't have much storage space. Also, it was DRM-laden back then, too."

    No, the fact does not remain. It had 5Gig - a massive amount for a pocketable player at the time. Forget CD player-sized Nomads, the correct comparison is to pocket-sized Diamond Rios and similar. They had 64Mb and 128Mb typically (my memory fails, there might have been 256Mb ones as well by then).

    DRM-laden? Rip, Mix Burn was the advert - you ripped your own CDs, DRM-free. The iTunes Music Store came later than the iPod.

    It's perfectly possible not to like them without falsely belittling them.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  9. Stick your slides up your backside by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously 13 slides and zero good content even on the first page. I'm not clicking through that shit.

  10. iPods were NOT the first pocket MP3 players! by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To say that they're a digital music player is backwards: the rest of the world would say digital music players are bad ipods

    I owned a Diamond Rio & Creative Nomad, 2 years before the iPod was ever sold. I enjoyed them more than the first iPod, and I still would take the music management software that I had to use for them over any version of iTunes.

    I say this as a iPhone owner. I don't hate Apple, but I hate the incorrect praise they get for inventing things they did not invent.

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    1. Re:iPods were NOT the first pocket MP3 players! by slimjim8094 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He didn't say they were the first pocket DMP. He's saying that people judge DMPs by the iPod. Much in the same way that handheld tablet devices are judged by the iPad, and smartphones are judged by the iPhone.

      This is, for better or worse, very hard to argue. Again, none of these were at all first. But let's think about what came before:

      - The iPod. Previous devices were bulky, slow, complex - well, Nomads. Existing DMPs had slow transfer rates and were complicated. I don't know a single non-nerd who had one. How have DMPs looked since the iPod's release?

      - The iPhone. Previous devices were bulky, slow, complex - well, WinPhones. They worked, but they sucked. Existing smartphones were really set up for mice, and I don't know a single non-business user who had one. How have smartphones looked since the iPhone's release?

      - The iPad. Previous devices were bulky, slow, complex - well, Tablet PCs. They worked, but they sucked. Existing tablets were just Windows laptops with a stylus and perhaps a note-taking program and handwriting recognition. I don't know a single non-nerd non-business person who had one. How have tablets looked since the iPad's release?

      I could say the same thing about the Macintosh and the LaserWriter. Nobody who has anything interesting to say has ever said that Apple did any of this first, but they might as well have since nobody had one before Apple came along and made them viable products. And they've been imitated on each one, to the point where you can't find a "classic" Tablet PC anywhere, or a "classic" WinMo smartphone, or a "classic" Nomad-esque device.

      And this is why Apple kicks everyone's ass. I know I've been wrong on every front - the iPhone (2G only?? No apps?) and the iPad (I already have a laptop and a phone) were huge successes despite my conviction that it was impossible. Apparently, most of these other companies are filled with people like me - and not the people who buy millions of these things because they fill a need.

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    2. Re:iPods were NOT the first pocket MP3 players! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      I had a Rio and a Nomad as well. To be honest, I don't know why you'd remember either fondly. The Rio had a whopping 64 megabytes of storage and upgrades were sillingly expensive. You could put a whopping one whole CD on it. That device actually got me to see if I could learn to love 64kbit mp3's. The Nomad was much bigger in terms of storage... and it was the size of a CD player.

      Speaking as an owner of both products, the iPod (+iTunes) was a BFD. I know Apple fanboys are obnoxious, but let's not combat rewriting of history with rewriting of history.

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  11. Re:The difference is in the details by t2t10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, the Ferrari is special: it's an overpriced, unreliable, impractical car for guys who feel inadequate. Kind of like Apple products.

  12. Nobody claimed Apple invented the MP3 player by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I say this as a iPhone owner. I don't hate Apple, but I hate the incorrect praise they get for inventing things they did not invent.

    Nobody with a clue is saying Apple invented the digital music player. Even Apple never claimed to be first. Apple created their own because the ones that were on the market pretty much sucked and they saw an opportunity. And they were right, the competition did pretty much suck.

    What Apple did bring to the party in the case of the iPod was a complete system. There were devices that were good and there was software that was acceptable but NOBODY made a good version of both and made them work together. Furthermore, prior to 2001 USB 2.0 was not widely available which meant that most other devices had to sync using very slow connections. The original iPod used Firewire which actually mattered a lot at the time because it allowed syncing of the library SO much faster. Everyone fixates on just the iPod or just iTunes but they don't consider the whole system which was the key to Apple's success. THAT was their innovation.

    1. Re:Nobody claimed Apple invented the MP3 player by vaporland · · Score: 2

      I think the other thing they brought to tech was a non-tech perspective.

      Apple starts with the perceived optimal user experience and works backwards to apply technology.

      HP, Dell, et al start with a feature list which defines the user experience by default.

      This approach worked well when tech was (mostly) the realm of technologists.

      Apple was ahead of its time, which cost it dearly in marketshare.

      Now the world has caught up to Apple (so to speak) which is how they have achieved 30+% growth selling relatively expensive products during the worst economic downturn in 80 years.

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  13. Re:The difference is in the details by Lost+Race · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a basic transportation appliance for moving a standard family unit with accessories and groceries from point A to point B, the Ferrari sucks ass. The Corolla provides 1000x the value for that purpose.

    For recreational driving, having fun, going fast, showing off, the Ferrari wins. Some people will never appreciate any of those things and struggle to rationalize why anyone would ever waste money on a sports car. Finding nothing in their own psychological inventory, they project feelings and motivations familiar to them, such as issues of "inadequacy", particularly sexual inadequacy. ("He has that fancy car to compensate for his small penis, ha ha!") Such projections reveal at best a lack of experience, perspective, and imagination; at worst a small-minded pettiness brought on by envy that someone else would have the means to waste so much money on such a frivolity.

  14. Re:Opinion and taste by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    Apple is where it is because they did the visual interface work that geeks traditionally couldn't be bothered with. I'm seeing lot of anti-Apple articles, but they're based on patent actions, or problems with walled gardens, or the Apple-fans, etc. I'm not seeing many articles laughing at the actual design of iPhones. They deserved to be where they are, compared for example with Microsoft's fumbling on the non-gamer entertainment side.

    Is it just me but are we riding the "maturity curve" of tech, away from fun hacking unfinished chaotic projects towards "too old to do that stuff anymore?"

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