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AMD To Lay Off 10% of Global Workforce

Luyseyal writes "Advanced Micro Devices Inc. slashed its global employment by 1,400 jobs Thursday as the company seeks to boost profits and re-balance its work force to pursue new product areas. This amounts to over 11% of its global workforce, including Mark Langsdorf, who often posts AMD patches to the Linux Kernel Mailing List."

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  1. I guess ... by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... they'll just have to overclock the rest.

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  2. Re:If they need something to do, by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sure that there are many companies out there who would be more than happy to hire these folks to gain some insight into what plans are for the next few years from AMD. While cost cutting and laying off some people is never nice, certain industries that are so competitive will always be looking to hire (even bad employees) to gain access to their knowledge.

    Heck, I work in a multinational retailer (read: tough times in terms of profits and trends) and we hired a guy who works for a competitor chain in Europe without so much as an interview - even knowing it is just for a few months while his girlfiend is on study vacation out here. Sometimes the more competitive the industry, the safer the employees.

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  3. Bonus time. by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Expect to see EXTREMELY large executive bonuses come December.

    It is a system that makes sense in one way - shareholders simply want maximized return on money, and shareholders in amalgam play the role of idiots without an interest in future of the company willing to pay money for a stake and a vote.

    So, in return for promise of transforming the company in an idiotic direction that sounds good from the perspective of shareholder marketing, the shareholders then provide bonuses to the management.

    Thus solving the problem once and for all. ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Bonus time. by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No it doesn't make sense.

      I am going to fire a bunch of people to save x millions of dollars over the next 3-5 years but right now I am going to pay out x millions (yea it is often a similar number) right now to give a bonus to a multi millionaire who doesn't need it.

      The worst part is that next year they pay the bonus out again, and again all while the company loses money.

      Instead of firing people to pay out bonuses. why not do something simple like cut upper management salary by 50%, and automatically save 3 or 5x right away. But you almost never here about a CEO or board, or congress who is willing to put the company(or country) before their own salary.

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    2. Re:Bonus time. by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ridiculous point is - nobody with any sense invests long-term any more.

      You can't invest long-term when government economic policy is swerving from side to side like a twelve year old who's emptied his Dad's liquor cabinet and then borrowed the Porsche.

    3. Re:Bonus time. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Instead of firing people to pay out bonuses. why not do something simple like cut upper management salary by 50%

      In the prosperous 1960s, CEOs made about 30x the salary of the average worker for the same company.

      Today, it goes higher than 1000x.

      Corporate profits are up, worker incomes are down. That is not an economic system that is sustainable.

      And, "the market" applauds when the prime minister of Greece announces that no, the Greek people won't have a say in their future after all. All you have to do is turn on the news tonight, any channel from Fox to NPR to hear the economic elite talk about how pleased they are that the people won't have a say in their future. It's stunning, really, to hear how out of whack our system has become thanks to the laissez-faire, supply-side, "trickle-down" economics that have been the policy of every US government since 1980.

      It's the kind of intractable, illogical, unjust mess that can make people very angry.

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    4. Re:Bonus time. by artg · · Score: 2

      Why would you invest in a company that has lost confidence in it's own future ?

    5. Re:Bonus time. by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, but you might be a poor investor. Yes, it'll boost immediate returns but only by sacrificing long-term benefits. The benefit will be brief. It's things like this that are why investment is almost entirely cognitive illusion and not based on skill or rational thought. The ones who are any good work along selective inaction. Responding to the market is the worst thing you can do.

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    6. Re:Bonus time. by inviolet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, "the market" applauds when the prime minister of Greece announces that no, the Greek people won't have a say in their future after all. All you have to do is turn on the news tonight, any channel from Fox to NPR to hear the economic elite talk about how pleased they are that the people won't have a say in their future.

      Not all statements are correct. Not all opinions are wise or even meaningful. Asking for economic advice from Greek citizens, more than 50% of whom are collecting a check for parasitic employment in a comically bloated public sector of a dead economy, is unlikely to yield anything useful.

      In fact, left to their own devices, most citizens (not merely Greeks) will make short-sighted short-term-pain-minimizing decisions that will eventually wreck their culture's pattern. Democracy exists as a check on tyranny, NOT as a source of omniscience.

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    7. Re:Bonus time. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not all statements are correct. Not all opinions are wise or even meaningful. Asking for economic advice from Greek citizens, more than 50% of whom are collecting a check for parasitic employment in a comically bloated public sector of a dead economy, is unlikely to yield anything useful.

      OK, I noticed that yesterday and today there were two national polls taken that show if the elections were held today, the Democrats would take back the House of Representatives and Obama would be re-elected. Do you believe that the elections should be cancelled because you don't believe that decision is wise or meaningful?

      Greece is called the birthplace of democracy. Isn't it a little bit ironic that today in Greece it is announced that no, the people should not have a voice in their future because they have a stake in the outcome of the vote?

      Every one of us has a stake in the output of elections. We benefit or are hurt to varying degrees. We vote based upon our own interests.

      Should we just toss the constitution and go back to having only white male landowners vote because their vote is more "correct" and "meaningful"? Or will we have a system where people have some say in the way they are governed?

      In fact, left to their own devices, most citizens (not merely Greeks) will make short-sighted short-term-pain-minimizing decisions that will eventually wreck their culture's pattern.

      Since all corporations make "short-sighted short-term-pain-minimizing decisions that will eventually wreck their culture's pattern" then you must agree that they should not be allowed to participate in elections at any level, including financially. Especially since corporations are not citizens.

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    8. Re:Bonus time. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The German economy is not a dead economy. Oh wait, what?

      You make a very good point, friend. German workers retire earlier than Greek workers and the German economy is even more worker-friendly than the southern-European governments. They are every bit as "socialist" as France or Italy or Greece or Sweden, yet they are strong enough to lead Europe economically.

      They one big difference is that Greece doesn't tax its rich people and Germany does. In fact, there are a bigger percentage of millionaires and billionaires with Greek residency as any other EU country just for that reason.

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    9. Re:Bonus time. by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Show me a company that actually knows which 10% constitutes dead wood, and....

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    10. Re:Bonus time. by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      never said it wasn't. managers and especially good mangers are tough to find.

      however no one is worth 1,000 times the janitor. without whom the place literally turns to shit. No one is worth 800 times the salesmen who actual drive the profits. or the workers without whom your orders don't actually get filled.

      For this Circuit city is my favorite punching bag. They fired all their top salesmen, to save money hired new people, paid out bonuses at like 75% of the money they saved by firing people to the board, and a little over a year later declared bankruptcy.

      All so a manager can get a bonus.

      that is the skill set your defending.

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    11. Re:Bonus time. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      The dead wood is mostly at the top, with some of stuck in middle management. The worker bees may or may not have some deadwood among them, but the majority of the deadwood is all located at the top. And, cost wise, cutting a little deadwood from the management structure saves more money than cutting a ton of deadwood from the bottom. One executive bonus equals about 20 employees annual salary these days, often times more!

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    12. Re:Bonus time. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've not noticed much swerving in economic policy. The government has steadily been working to wreck the United States economy.

      For fifty years or more, we've had no immigration policy worth mentioning.
      NAFTA
      China "free trade"
      CAFTA
      outsourcing
      exporting jobs
      "work visas" freely passed around like candy at halloween, and the conditions unenforced
      rewarding illegal aliens with free college tuition
      rewarding illegal aliens with free legal counsel
      rewarding illegal aliens with free health care
      tax cuts for companies that export jobs

      Have I missed anything important? If I have, I've included enough to show that our government is NOT swerving back and forth. They are on a steady course to destroying the middle class.

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    13. Re:Bonus time. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      All the nicest forests are already harvested. All the easy wells, dams, bridges and reservoirs are already built. Any further growth is either going to be very, very expensive or is going to put a lot of strain on existing resources.

      And all the good wells have been drilled. Blah blah.

      People innovate. That's what they do. But innovation comes from healthy societies and with increasing income disparities and growing populations of economically threatened people, we are not a healthy society.

      Governments around the world have fallen into the trap of thinking that they can spend forever without any consequences.

      I'll give you that if you agree that corporations have fallen into the trap of thinking that they can grow forever. That economies can grow forever. That profits can grow forever.

      Fact is, there is plenty wealth so that nobody has to live in poverty. And by "poverty" I mean that if your wife gets sick you can't afford to get her good medical treatment. By that measure, there are a lot of Americans in poverty. There are actually people in the US who don't have enough to eat, who don't have access to health care, and are working 40 hours a week or more.

      Government, at least in the US, is us. If we believe we can "spend forever without any consequences" it's because we are well aware that we are an economy out of whack, out of balance. The problem is not spending, it is insufficient revenue. With a healthy economy, reasonable trade policy and progressive taxation we can do the things that Americans agree are worthwhile, like provide health care, retirement and a decent infrastructure.

      But now we are bumping into real limits.

      Limits of what? Of fossil fuels? Of rates of corporate growth and consolidation?

      It seems the only "real limit" we are bumping into is the limit to people's patience with "supply-side" economics.

      Things are changing faster than I ever thought they would. Two polls in two days show that congress could swing back to the Democrats. We could end up with another "wave election" next November going back the other way. People are so pissed that they're going to start throwing people out every two years until there is some accountability.

      All that will result is that the smart rich people will leave

      Baloney. John Galt is the fantasy of people with daddy issues. He's not real. And with people all over the world starting to get sick of this "trickle-down" baloney, John Galt may just have to go off-planet to avoid paying his fair share of taxes. Another "real limit" that's being reached is the limit of how rich a person needs to be when there are people without enough to eat. That sounds harsh and anti-capitalistic, but shit, if the economic and political elite had been a little more reasonable instead of stealing everything that's not cemented down we wouldn't be in a position where they have to start worrying about pitchforks and guillotines. And yes, automated trading is stealing. Usury is stealing. CDOs are stealing. Bailouts of big banks is at least as much "stealing" as a 90% top tax rate like we had in the '50s.

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    14. Re:Bonus time. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2

      So I _am_ an asshole. Just not for the reason I was hoping. Oh, well. It's a start.

    15. Re:Bonus time. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2

      What kills me is the idea that somehow executive compensation is necessarily going to trickle down into either increased share value or dividends.

      What kills me is the idea that people somehow believe that "executive compensation" is more than 0.001% of the problem. This brand of thinking is known colloquially as "stomping piss ants while tigers are coming over the wall."

      Trying to start a class war in America has never worked, isn't working now, and will never work. Journalists and pundits who push this "executive compensation" horse pucky are just playing into the hands of the politicians.

    16. Re:Bonus time. by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 5, Interesting

      NAFTA
      China "free trade"
      CAFTA
      outsourcing
      exporting jobs ...
      tax cuts for companies that export jobs

      All you've done is list "outsourcing" over and over. And that isn't even the cause, it's the symptom. The problem is that we need to adopt policies that make hiring Americans more competitive, but most of those policies aren't as egalitarian or redistributive as people might like.

      Let me give you some examples:

      We take the principle that everyone deserves a quality education, so we take the resources (tax revenue) that we have for education and try to divide it equally between all students. But some jobs require a better education than others. Complete fairness is not a competitive advantage. You can create a basic level of education in everyone without striving for perfect equality: It would be far better to have schools for smart kids that we spend substantially more per student on, and schools for less smart kids that we spend less money on. It doesn't really matter that the future retail workers don't have a strong grip on calculus. It does really matter that the future doctors and engineers don't because we reduced everything to the lowest common denominator.

      Likewise, you look at the nominal corporate income tax rate. It's one of the highest in the world. Then you look at the effective corporate tax rate. For multinational corporations it's extremely low (because the nature of a multinational corporation allows them to report profits in lower-tax countries), but for smaller corporations it's much higher. It puts US small business -- who employ the largest number of Americans -- at a disadvantage compared to multinationals. Eliminating the corporate income tax would create no benefit to large corporations (which already don't pay it), but would help the job-creating small businesses that do. But the national feeling is that large corporations should pay more taxes, and we can't actually do that in a way that doesn't have ruinous side effects (e.g. tax on gross rather than net income), so keeping up appearances forces us into the charade that causes actual harm to small business. (The problem is that the only kind of tax you can force a high-mobility corporation to pay is a consumption tax on their products -- you can tax them on their customers that are in your jurisdiction. But that burden is then shared in part by customers, and that tends to raise the price of goods in a regressive way.)

      The general problem is that we try to make everything fair on paper, but what is fair is not always what is competitive. There is sometimes a trade off between more jobs and more equality, and we have to be willing to admit that before we can make a rational decision about which is more important and when.

    17. Re:Bonus time. by TheEyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What kills me is the idea that somehow executive compensation is necessarily going to trickle down into either increased share value or dividends.

      What kills me is the idea that people somehow believe that "executive compensation" is more than 0.001% of the problem. This brand of thinking is known colloquially as "stomping piss ants while tigers are coming over the wall."

      Executive compensation is a symptom of a larger problem: corporate governance in the US is really screwed up. These days shareholders are largely incapable of enforcing a long-term perspective on executive officers; the rules these days are written by boards more interested in hiring a CEO for a few quarters to juice profits, siphon as much money as they can, and let the CEO take a multi-billion dollar golden parachute to the next sucker play. This quarter-to-quarter thinking isn't fostered by pensioners investing in index funds for 20-30 years for retirement, but by the giant money-printers of Wall Street. The whole system needs to be fixed, and executive compensation is a small, but important piece of the puzzle.

      Trying to start a class war in America has never worked, isn't working now, and will never work. Journalists and pundits who push this "executive compensation" horse pucky are just playing into the hands of the politicians.

      Trying to normalize income distribution is the exact opposite of encouraging class warfare. Real class warfare is what happened in the 19th century when French peasants started breaking out the guillotines, because the aristocracy thought they could get away with stealing everyone's money and forcing them into permanent wage slavery. You want to see a real "class war" then you let things keep going the way they have been going. Every country, even the overweight, lazy USA, is three missed meals away from revolution. That's a lesson the cash-steeped Republicans don't think they need to know anymore, with their Fox News propaganda machines and well-funded astroturf campaigns, but it won't go away just because they keep denying it's there.

    18. Re:Bonus time. by citizenr · · Score: 2

      In fact, left to their own devices, most citizens (not merely Greeks) will make short-sighted short-term-pain-minimizing decisions that will eventually wreck their culture's pattern. Democracy exists as a check on tyranny, NOT as a source of omniscience.

      Yes, like Iceland did. Just look how bad it turned out for them ... oh wait, it DIDNT.

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    19. Re:Bonus time. by TheEyes · · Score: 2

      Which is sad, because they are in on it too.

      That's why I don't get the tea party hate, the ones who want to stop bail outs and listen to their people.

      B B B BUT THEYRE RACIST!! goebels was right, repeat it enough times.

      The OWS has more in common with the tea party than democrats.

      The Tea Party had it right by being angry; they just had it wrong by being angry at the wrong people. Tea Partiers are mostly people who bought into the great lie that governments, and unions, are always inefficient and can't do anything right. They took that lie and ran with it to the "obvious" conclusion: if there's a problem in the US, then the government and the unions must be the cause of it, and if we get rid of them, thereby handing all our power and wealth to the only large collective entities left (corporations), then we'll solve all our problems!

      Unfortunately for the Tea Party, their central assumption isn't true, and so their conclusion is necessarily false. It remains to be seen if OWS comes up with any better ideas.

    20. Re:Bonus time. by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not in the USA, but I really would like to point out that those people are already in your country. There's nothing that can be done to move them out of the country (and your economy would collapse furthur if there was anyway) so reality has to be faced and they have to get some sort of place in society. You can't close the floodgates any more than George III could when he wanted to stop the colonies expanding beyond the Appalachians. It may suck but it comes down to trying to get the best of some bad choices. The USA is far too addicted to low priced low skilled labour anyway, and while that continues there will be very little done to stop the trend at any level. Even senators have disposable servants at less than the minimum wage who can't complain or they might get deported. Making them illegal immigrants instead of just immigrants like a century ago actually makes things worse. The bottom is getting pegged lower and lower and as you say there has been a lot of deliberate destruction of the middle class as part of a race towards what looks more and more like a parody of Feudalism.

    21. Re:Bonus time. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2

      Executive compensation is a symptom of a larger problem: corporate governance in the US is really screwed up.

      Translation: "Looks like a malignant melanoma... honey, do we have any cortisone ointment?"

      Trying to normalize income distribution is the exact opposite of encouraging class warfare.

      No, that pretty much is the definition of modern class warfare. Trying to enforce some misguided idea of "equality" just gets millions of people killed. You can't fool Dr. Darwin.

      Real class warfare is what happened in the 19th century when French peasants started breaking out the guillotines, because the aristocracy thought they could get away with stealing everyone's money and forcing them into permanent wage slavery. You want to see a real "class war" then you let things keep going the way they have been going. Every country, even the overweight, lazy USA, is three missed meals away from revolution. That's a lesson the cash-steeped Republicans don't think they need to know anymore...

      Yeeeaaah. Ahem. About those guillotines. See, the thing is, they're all owned by the nobility these days. Your friendly Democratic gun-control activists have done a yeoman's job at making sure that 1984 isn't going to be anything like 1789.

      In the modern age, any attempt at a genuine revolution will be over before the first tweets go out.

    22. Re:Bonus time. by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Multi-nationals can be required to report profits made IN THIS COUNTRY, and to pay the same tax rates that our small businesses pay.

      No you can't. Profits are defined as revenues minus costs. What multinational companies do is to pay a sister company in another jurisdiction for products or services. The sister company makes a big profit on the transaction, the US company offsets almost all of their US revenues with it, but it's a legitimate product or service that they actually need. They just arrange to buy it from a sister company.

      So you want to stop it, how do you do it? The first attempt would be to say that costs paid to non-US companies should not be able to offset US revenues. The effect of that is very similar to an import tariff. It probably violates a list of treaties as long as your arm and it would have all the countries that sell to us screaming bloody murder. On top of that, you would quickly get scams where a nonprofit conducts a "fund raiser" where they buy foreign goods and then resell them in the US at low margins to 'raise money' but really to import the goods without paying the tax and then sell them to a US company that in effect donates the nonprofit's 2% margin to charity instead of paying 35% in tax. To fix that you would have to make it even more like an import tariff, and good luck with that.

      So let's make it more targeted at the problem then. Make it so only costs paid to foreign companies that are in the same corporate family tree can't be deducted against US revenues. But now if Volkswagen manufactures a car in Germany and sells it in the US, they pay income tax on the whole cost of the car because the cost is paid to their own German subsidiary, whereas if Toyota manufactures in Alabama from US parts they only pay income tax on the profit instead of the whole cost of the car. That still seems like a problem, international relations wise.

      So we need to not discriminate against foreign products. The way you do that would be to impose a tax on just revenues and not allow anyone to deduct any costs. That wouldn't discriminate against foreign products, but "tax on revenue" is a synonym for "sales tax." I don't think that's what we were going for.

    23. Re:Bonus time. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      They're just children, even if they are 18 years of age, who have no idea about the world around them.

      Day before yesterday, there was published a profile of the 800+ Occupy protestors that were arrested.

      They are not children. They are not unemployed. They are middle-class and homeowners. They come from poor neighborhoods and rich neighborhoods. There are military veterans, firefighters, teachers, nurses. In other words, the people that used to make up the middle-class, back when we had a middle-class.

      There is a concerted effort to make the Occupy Wall Street protestors out to be something that they are not. of the thousands of protestors in Oakland, a handful of them became violent long after the general strike ended. We've already had members of the editorial staff of right-wing newspapers (Weekly Standard) admit to trying to incite violence to discredit the Occupy Movement.

      The public acceptance and agreement with the Occupy Movement is growing, steadily. The disapproval has halted at about 19%. The policies that the Occupy Movement is calling for (and yes, they have a very well-delineated set of proposals, if you cared to look) are supported by 70-80% of the US population. The Occupy Movement, in a few short weeks, has managed to change the discussion about politics and economics in the US in a way that no other activist group ever has. Hell, 4 weeks after the Tea Party started (the month after the black guy took the White House) they were still at the "Keep the government out of our Medicare" stage.

      I've been to the Chicago Occupy several times in the past month. It's walking distance from my house and a short bike ride. These are BIG groups of people. Every time there were 30 tea party folks together in one place, it made headlines nationwide. Well, there were over 10,000 OWS protestors one day when I went down to LaSalle Street and even on off days there are hundreds. They are nothing like they are being portrayed in the corporate media. Yes, there are Lyndon LaRouche types off to the side with their lunacy, and some ANSWER marxist types just as far off to the side. For some reason, these are the protestors the media chooses to talk to and portray on camera. You don't see the firemen, physicians, nurses, teachers, tool and die makers, truck drivers that are down there. You don't see the veterans, the professors, the telecom repair guys. They're all there.

      The people who are trying to minimize OWS, to laugh them off, to trivialize their message, call them "dirty hippies" and "loafers" and "violent radicals" are well behind the reality curve. They make a big mistake by underestimating this movement.

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  4. Sacking developers by Tomato42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sacking one of the people responsible for good Linux performance on servers is not just stupid... it's cutting the branch which you're sitting on.

  5. Re:If they need something to do, by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2

    I am sure that there are many companies out there who would be more than happy to hire these folks to gain some insight into what plans are for the next few years from AMD.

    Have you met my friend, mister Breach of contract suit?

  6. Re:If they need something to do, by Desler · · Score: 2

    I am sure that there are many companies out there who would be more than happy to hire these folks to gain some insight into what plans are for the next few years from AMD.

    I'm sure they'll also love the lawsuit from AMD for breaking trade secret laws. If the company is smart they'll give up any employee attempting to do so and let them get the lawsuit instead.

  7. Re:If they need something to do, by Desler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bring ideas in your head as well as comments like "Yeah, we tried that direction, but came up against issues with ...." are certainly not easy to prove.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Besides, Intel isn't going to be stupid enough to try to get schematics and diagrams. It's much more about knowing long term plans, where companies are steering. What ideas they are looking to develop.

    Trade secrets involve more than just schematics and diagrams. Long term plans are also trade secrets and if you think Intel is dumb enough to try that, you are an idiot. Intel has itself gone after people who have left them to go to AMD for trying to steal trade secrets. They aren't going to open themselves up to similar lawsuits. They'll throw that employee to the wolves and let them enjoy the lawsuit from AMD.

    In our case, it's about finding as much as is possible about how their supply chain differs from ours. What details they take into account in their forecasting models, things like that. Half the value is simply seeing our issues from a completely different angle, then having our own ideas on how to best come up with solutions. Getting someone to prove that in a court of law? Good luck.

    Except that people have been successfully prosecuted for doing that. But hey, go ahead and try it. I'm sure you'll love losing that lawsuit as you get thrown under the bus.

  8. The amd chipset offer alot more choice then by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    with intel all the Sandy Bridge chipsets offer the same # for pci-e lanes and only small changes like # of sata ports and or usb ports also some don't pass though cpu based video.

    The AM3 / AM3+ amd chip sets offer.

    Integrated graphics at different levels some even with on board ram just for the on board video chips that is WAY better then intel video.

    Hybrid video.

    Lot's of pci-e choices so you don't have to buy a $280 + cpu to get a lot of pci-e IO.

    The lower end chipset have like 22 pci-e lanes + 4 for chipset link. so you can have 16 for video + x4 slots + some x1 slots.

    with intel you get 16 for video + 4 for chipset link.

  9. It's all downhill from here by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I encourage everyone to read The Lights In the Tunnel, as a primer on the coming age of technologically driven systemic unemployment.

    Think of an idealized chip factory/company. The machines run themselves, AI systems design ever better version; raw material goes in one side and pallets of CPUs come out the other side.

    This is a 100% capital intensive business, and has almost zero labor requirements. We're not there yet, obviously, but every year we'll get closer. Companies will be able to do more with less workers, prices will drop, and supply will be limited only by how much resources you have to turn into chips. That's ONE side of the equation. The other side is that such an efficient and streamlined business is destined to quickly go bankrupt.

    In a capitalist economy, every worker is also a consumer. There will be no other sector of the economy to shunt those unemployed workers to, especially not at the level they were employed at previously, because all the other businesses have gone capital-intensive too. Strangely, the most secure jobs will be the lowest paid and traditionally least desirable jobs such as janitors, cleaners, cooks, and other services. It's actually easier to build an automated chip factory than it is to produce a robot that can do everything a human janitor can do. When you lay off a worker, you're also getting rid of a potential customer. Now, one business doing this when all the others don't would benefit and outcompete the others. So to keep up, they all have to become more efficient (which in modern times means becoming less labor intensive). Each business doing what's best for itself in isolation ends up ruining everything for everyone. This is a classic tragedy of the commons scenario, but it's applied to the mass market itself as the common good, something that most mainstream economists, politicians, and citizens don't yet accept.

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  10. Re:To bad intel bullied AMD and that hurt AMD long by lexman098 · · Score: 2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131759

    PCIe x16, x8, x4 + sata 3 + usb 3.0, what more could you ask for on a micro ATX for $170

  11. Re:"Often posts"? by artor3 · · Score: 2

    More than three per year seems pretty often to me. Are there really many people churning out a patch every couple weeks?

  12. Horrible news, idiotic "analyst" by serbanp · · Score: 2
    From TFA:

    "This comes after the arrival of a new chief executive and it is after the successful introduction of new products, so it is about right-sizing the company," said analyst Cody Acree with Williams Financial Group in Austin.

    "You don't cut until you have done all the work you need to get new products out," he said. "But once you have them out and have identified what you need to do to keep moving forward, then you have more of a reason to go ahead and take job actions. You don't want to make the cuts before the CEO gets in, and you don't want to make the cuts before you get the products out. Now that those two are passed, it is time to get the cost structure in line with the rest of the fabless semiconductor industry"

    This a**hole talks about the layoffs as one would discuss tree pruning. I guess that the whole "anal-yst" trade group is full of psychopaths, devoid of any humanity.

  13. Re:Why should they? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    "GOP has no sympathies for California companies."

    Well, they're so busy donating to Obama hoping for GE-like tax subsidies... of course the GOP won't support them.

    Maybe they'll consider that next election. If you're going to pick a winner, then be prepared to live with the consequences.

    As to the rest of your idiotic rant, its Obama that bailed out all the banks and financial institutions, but I guess you're too busy playing with your iPhone to notice.

    That's what I'm talking about - the first bailout was passed while he was still running for President. Well done, you prove my point with emphasis of calling me an idiot.

    The GOP through the George W. Bush years didn't care much for California (or really much else of the country) It's largely assumed because despite a great many republicans living in California, many of whom are very conservative, the state appears to the rest of the country as Liberal or Moderate at the very most, so not a lot of interest in the GOP doing anything for anyone or business in the state. Aside the push to get Gray Davis ousted, after the administration overlooked the criminal manipulation of the power industry (hey, deregulation is good, right?) there was genuine hope of a conservative being elected - alas, Arnold stepped in and derailed that train.

    Meg had all sorts of good ideas - mostly theories, as she'd never held office, nor taken interest in the political affairs of the state (or nation) by voting for years. Yet, millions believed she was the one to save California. Now HP are saddled with her - good luck giving her the boot without having to pay her tens of millions in an exit package.

    Really did have high hopes for HP, but the writing was on the wall when they picked her.

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  14. Seriously weak argument by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's a huge difference between Greece and Germany other than the system itself. It's the Mediterranean syndrome. I've been to multiple areas of Greece several times. I have been to many cities in Germany and have worked with Germans for years. I have been to many western and central European countries and there are some things which are just plain obvious and any northern Italian will gladly tell you it's true.

    The further south you get in Europe, the lower your motivation seems to be. Just last month I was in Crete and I'm not joking, all the frigging stores close in the middle of the day and all the coffee shops and bars fill up. Drivers of trucks on the island stop driving in the middle of the day and stop to have a glass of stong wine or moonshine. The only people working on the entire island at that time of day is the restaurant staff.

    It is similar in many places in Spain as well. Malta..... well let's not bother with Malta and Gozo. Southern Italy as well.

    On the other hand, if you go to Germany, from the time the day starts, you work and you're efficient. People take pride in their efforts. They set standards for themselves which are high and they achieve the goals they set for themselves. Germany's biggest problem is the cleanliness of their cities. People don't walk the extra 3 steps to make it to a trash can, but there are a lot of workers cleaning up the streets most of the time, so it's not that big of a problem.

    Sure taxing the rich would help a bit in Greece, but size of the numbers we're talking about in Greece, if you taxed the entire top 5% of the country a total of 25% of their gross worth each year, it wouldn't touch it. The problems are much bigger than that and they would have to fix it by making people actually change their ways. The goal isn't to tax the people themselves but to produce things in a way which would bring money into the country. Closing down the parasitic tourist industry which barely works in Greece would be a great start.

    Nearly every island in Greece is supported by the tourist industry which exists for about half the year. A waiter at a restaurant I frequented in Crete let me know that his personal income after tips is 12,000 euro per year. He works 14 hours a day 6 days a week during the tourist season to accomplish this and he's highly motivated and a hard worker. Problem is, when the winter comes, he uses his savings during that time for food and necessities and then uses oil he produces in his parents green house to heat his apartment on their property.

    These establishments are supported by hotels built, maintained and later abandoned by owners in other countries. These companies exploit cheap labor and build these massive resorts at disgustingly low rate and perform all transactions outside of Greece to avoid paying the Greek taxes and costs of maintaining the money in multiple countries. They fly people from richer countries into Greece using their own airlines (or from other companies similar to their own like Thomas Cook) and their excuse is that they're bringing tourist money to Greece and helping the economy. The problem is, when the economy strengthens in a given area, the resort company practically closes down the last hotel and builds a new one further down the beach where the local workers are willing to work for less money. They don't totally abandon their old hotels, but they'll attempt to sell them to lesser resort companies which have a lower level of patrons with less purchasing power.

    These resorts also do everything they can to make a closed environment where they cater to a specific nationality. So the German hotels have German restaurants with German beer and German speaking staff. The Scandinavian hotels have Swedish food with Swedish speaking staff and Swedish convenience stores. They do this so that their guests will be less likely to spend their money outside of the hotel and instead spend a great deal more inside of the hotel. They also attempt to build these hotels as far as possible from cities. Th

  15. Re:"Often posts"? by cbope · · Score: 2

    This is the kernel we are talking about, I'd say 22 patches is quite a lot for a single contributor.

  16. Re:Can you invest in AMD though? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    I don't think that Intel has much to gain from buying AMD. As it is, the entire semiconductor sector is now commoditized, and there's not much of a future there. As you noted, the biggest threat to Intel is ARM, but Intel still has the PC market to itself, and buying AMD won't do squat to either help nor hurt it. Only thing that can hurt Intel is a paradigm shift to ARM on PCs - which can happen if MS ports Windows 8 and major applications to ARM. But given that they didn't do that w/ Windows NT, I don't see why they would do that now. And until they do, don't expect the Dells, the HPs, the Acers to start building desktops or laptops based on ARM.

    AMD itself has gone thru a lot of such cycles before, and in those times, it was in a far worse shape. All they were doing was cloning Intel (this was before the first Athlons) and they didn't have an architectural identity of their own. Things like x64 and Athlon/Opteron changed all that. I expect that even the Fusion will do well, particularly for Windows 8 tablets, where Fusion could run all PC software, whereas ARM can't. Same would be true of Atom.