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DOJ Drops FOIA Rule To Permit Lying
schwit1 writes "The Department of Justice has canceled a controversial revision to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) rules that opponents said would have allowed federal agencies to lie about the existence of records. In a letter to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley on Thursday, the DOJ wrote that the proposed rule 'falls short' of its commitment to transparency, and it 'will not include that provision when the Department issues final regulations.' The concern now is that the DOJ has been lying for some time and this rule was an attempt to provide cover for past denials concerning the existence of documents."
I'm most confident that we are getting to see what we want to see. Even if they give out info that seems injurious to the parties involved it only gives us an impression of FOIA that makes us feel good. Lot's more to see here folks, and we're not going to see it.
1. Make laws
2. Ignore those laws, do whatever you want
3. Make new laws to cover your lies
4. ???
5. Profit
Now that they're not lying anymore, ask them if they were lying before! Problem solved!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
...is to ask a question to which you already know the answer, and have documentary evidence of that answer.
Because then, if the public authority denies any knowledge, you can publicly enlighten them. Same as if/when you catch them in a barefaced lie.
I've done it a number of times. It's amazing what they'll come out with when you pull them in public for an outright violation of public trust.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
This practice was originally sanctioned un the Reagan administration. This rules change would have formalized the practice that was developed by the Feds under Reagan's AG. By removing the rule change (under the Obama administration) they are effectively barred from covering up the previous lies.
So clearly, Obama is to blame....
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
If they are suspected of having lied in the past, and having issued the lying provision to provide cover for past lies, how can we trust their commitment to not seek approval for lying is truthful? (Debating this question would make a fantastic drinking game).
I know where you're coming from.
I'm sitting on my couch here in England, the Land controlled by the United Kingdom Corporation, Limited (it's on Dunn & Bradstreet, look it up). The UK ("The UK", or "United Kingdom") is a short form of the United Kingdom Corporation, Limited, which is the Legal Entity created by the Crown (the 5 biggest banks in the World, nothing to do with the Queen), which through Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs collects tax to pay interest on loans taken out way back in the second decade of the last Century.
Great Britain, in my mind, ceased to exist in April 1972 when the European Communities Act came into force; this was the first step of Hitler's dream given form less the gas chambers. Europe under one flag, one currency, a Federated Superstate of homogenised regions ordered by *number* not *name*. The days of the Empire were numbered from that point on. As was our ability - nay, our *right* - to self-govern. Our grandparents fought to retain that right for SIX YEARS. The traitors in Government from 1970 until now spit in the faces of our War Dead, they make a mockery of true democracy and they continue to stomp all over the rights of the Population with impunity.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
The whole thing from top to bottom is one big Cluster F*ck.
that he is ending it, so your attempt at spreading the blame is a little silly.
A FOIA search would have never seen the classic “June files” (~1970's) “zero files”, “I-drive”s and "S-drive" over the years.
Documents would have been kept compartmentalized until needed or lost - from any defense legal team or FOIA.
Anyone could request any term and very little would come back - this rush to hide results is strange.
Too much next gen cloud starting to connect too many old databases?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The information is already out there. Call it "leaks", "wikileaks", "crackpot conspiracy theories", or whatever. Take that information, put it to the relevant bodies, and ask then if it's true or not. Not in so many words (see earlier in the thread when I caught the Ministry of Justice in a barefaced lie!), be subtle until they lie and you can prove it - then publish for the entire webosphere to see.
Some sample subjects to hit them with:
Ask DoD about low flying stealth or unusual aircraft - ask CAA the same. Make sure you get sharp photographic or video evidence.
Ask DCS/DFS and police about missing kids. Particularly ask them about kids you KNOW who suddenly no longer seem to exist. Photos and details. Forward those enquiries to adoption agencies and ask them if they are aware that some of the kids they're *selling* may have been abducted.
Ask the Federal Reserve and the Treasury where the trillions have gone, why banks are reporting record profits to their shareholders yet publicly bleating about having no money (they have defaulted assets, that's what the shareholders are paid dividends on), why corporate executives are enjoying tax havens within our own borders while Average Joe pays 40% before he sees a penny then another 80% of what's left in sales tax and the banks and the Governments still cry poverty.
Some of us know the answers to these already. Yes, we're the ones you laugh at and call deluded.
None are more deluded than those who live in shackles and believe they're free.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
It's certainly a comfort that they are not allowed to lie^H^H^H get caught lying. Next I suppose they will be required to pinky swear without crossing their fingers.
If the Department of Justice isn't dedicated to the highest moral standards, there will be no justice.
Wait, so England actually does have the equivalent of the American delusional separatist gun nut?
Strange, it was believed that all their ancestors migrated to, well, America...
It was a real easy answer,
#4. Blame Bush
Though you were being nice we have gotten worse than your list.
1) Have Secret Laws.
2) Have Secret Courts
3) Use intimidation and threat of force to keep them
4) Blame Bush
5) Stay in Power, I mean profit
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
those aren't the droids you're looking for
someone had to say it
'falls short' of its commitment to transparency"
Well, not really. I wonder who is going to get fired at the DOJ?
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
The rule is retroactive. When it goes into effect, it will allow them to lie now about not including the rule.
When was the last time that this country declared war? How many wars are we currently fighting in?
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Parse "DOJ drops the (rule which permits lying)" versus "DOJ (drops rule), in order to allow them to lie." It took me a good minute to work out how TFS and TFH made any sense together.
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We have a name for them, 'euro-sceptics', and there is a surprising number of them sadly.... although they usually don't have guns, and most are atheist.
We have UKIP, a fringe political party that stands on UK independence. It's position is that the Europe Union is a waste of time (which obviously explains why the party leader is a member of the European parliament ????).
We have the BNP, a fringe political party that just wants 'johnny foreigner' to 'go back where he came from'.
We have the EDL. They can't string a coherent sentence together, so I'm not exactly sure what they stand for.
We have the tories (kinda like the UK's version of the GOP), the current ruling party. They pretty much match the stereotype of the 'arrogant, elitist, snobby, englishman...'. One of their election pledges was that they'd hold a referendum on whether we should leave the EU. They've since back tracked on that.
The Freedom of Information act was passed in 1982 (under the Reagan administration) and did have limits on what could be requested. Is that what you are talking about? The current Administrations directive to the Department of Justice to allow them to not acknowledge the existence of documents wasn't like the restrictions that were in line with FOIA in 1982/83 and this current move sounds completely different from preexisting limits.
For example, would the Administration's delays and resistance to presenting documents to Congress on Operation Gun Runner/Operation Fast and Furious be enabled by the attempted new rule? If implemented, wouldn't this completely undercut Congress's Constitutional role in oversight?
And the answer is World War II of course. We didn't delcare war on PRK (Truman), Vietnam(JFK), Grenada/Panama(RR), Iraq 1(GHWB), Afghanistan/Iraq 2 (GWB), or Libya/Yemen/Pakistan/Somolia (BHO). The only one in the list to ignore the War Powers Act (while in force) was BHO.
The 'Euro-skeptics' are probably feeling pretty vindicated right now, I would guess.
Some of us know the answers to these already. Yes, we're the ones you laugh at and call deluded.
I see someone skipped their meds this morning.
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
Because the bar for impeachment is rather high and the legislators themselves are nearly all compromised at this point.
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Europe under one flag, one currency, a Federated Superstate of homogenised regions ordered by *number* not *name*. The days of the Empire were numbered from that point on.
So, were those days of the Empire *named* prior to that point?
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
In the UK that's known as Public Interest Immunity.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Wait, your wingnuts are atheists without guns?
Well, THAT explains why they never emigrated...