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DARPA Seeks Input On Securing Networks Against Attackers

hessian writes with an article in Wired about the problems facing the U.S. Government's networks in an increasingly hostile world. From the article: "The Pentagon's far-out research agency and its brand new military command for cyberspace have a confession to make. They don't really know how to keep U.S. military networks secure. And they want to know: Could you help them out? DARPA convened a 'cyber colloquium' at a swank northern Virginia hotel on Monday for what it called a 'frank discussion' about the persistent vulnerabilities within the Defense Department's data networks. The Pentagon can't defend those networks on its own, the agency admitted."

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  1. Wrong audience by EdZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Darpa convened a “cyber colloquium” at a swank northern Virginia hotel on Monday for what it called a “frank discussion” about the persistent vulnerabilities within the Defense Department’s data networks.

    Well there's your problem! The ones at the forefront of breaking-into-electronic-systems-in-interesting-ways aren't the usual crowd the DoD are used to wooing (heads of industry, academic engineers, the conference-at-swanky-hotel crowd) but people working out of their basements fiddling with things for the fun of it.

    If they want a real assessment, offer a honeypot network with some stand-in data, and set a prize for whoever can get it and tell them how.

  2. Secure systems by Tomato42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Start using systems that were designed to be secure in the first place. Stuff that works on a "deny by default" basis, that refuse to process any data that it doesn't understand, use OCSP as a white list on the CA side, defence in depth: use strict validation of input on multiple levels (when making web app: using default deny application firewal, then strict validation in form processing and finally use modular application design that validates data received from other modules) and so on.

    This will require throwing away most, if not all, software in use. Including OSs, probably even Linux as I'm not sure if SELinux (or other such systems) go deep enough on the kernel side. Then making new software from scratch with primary design objective to be secure. As no politician or PHB can justify spending this amount of money on such nebulous concept as security, the whole idea will fail. Because this won't eliminate, just reduce the number of security related bugs, won't help the cause.

    We have to start by teaching new programmers how to make secure systems first (and I repeat, systems, not just programs) and just then how to program.

  3. Re:If the Us can't by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2

    The candy man can

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  4. Get rid of Windows by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3

    Securing the network on Windows is just about impossible. It was originally designed when computer security was nothing but a far-out concept and attempts to retrofit security into it without tossing out the basic design have been unsuccessful so far, actually securing it would require a silly level of hacked-up modification (try to prevent wifi dual-homing, I dare you). Toss out Windows, start with a custom Linux distro and go from there. Network-booting machines secured with in-house-administered TPM will be extremely hard to break into. Allow centralized control of all software so that any change to a computer's OS that wasn't signed off on by the IT department sets off the biggest red flag in the world.

    It can be done but not while trying to pussyfoot around with commercial consumer-grade toys.

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  5. "frank" is the 1st step by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2

    Frank discussion? That's the 1st problem.

    Security seems to be extra vulnerable to fraud. Many times, I saw military customers wooed by vendors who are perfectly willing to give them a load of bull about how they can't explain why their devices, software, and ideas are secure, because that would compromise the security. Then the military goes a step further, and abuses their secret classification system to cover up security problems, keeping important information even from their own people. They base security decisions on politics. They are more interested in getting a system approved as secure, than in whether it is actually secure. and will lean on people to just rubberstamp systems. They play favorites. They like Windows, because they find it more user friendly, so they push to have it declared secure. Systems they don't like are held up to extremely difficult standards, the better to reject them. They engage in plenty of their own bull to pull that off. For instance, Linux is coded by foreigners, which they deem automatically makes it insecure. How can they know some foreign programmer won't put a back door into the Linux kernel? Never mind that Microsoft might employ Indians to work on Windows. And who's to say that US citizen programmers would never sell out?

    They want COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf), to save money, but there is no COTS that meets their needs. They play a funny game with contractors too. Employ people as contractors and treat them with deep suspicion, but won't employ them as their own experts who just might possibly be a touch more committed and loyal.

    No surprise that the military stinks up their security.

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  6. Re:I wonder what this says about by morgauxo · · Score: 2

    If you walk into any given government office what do you expect to see on their monitors? I don't think it's Linux. That's one of the things they need to fix. Dump Windows. Yah, just blaming everything on Windows would be a troll, there is certainly more to security than that. Any OS and the applications must be configured correctly, the network itself must be secured, all that is true. Still, there is little good to be said about Windows security. Having it on the networks automatically makes the network less secure. Ban it AND secure the OSs and network which remains.