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Shanghai Government Proposes 100 Community Hackerspaces

taweili writes "According to a tweet from Shanghai Morning Newspaper's Weibo account, the Shanghai Government Technology committee has issued a call for a proposal to build 100 community hackerspaces with government funding for equipment and a community managing the spaces. Hackerspaces have been growing rapidly in China since the first one, XinCheJian, was started in Shanghai last November as reported here by CNN Go. Currently there are three hackerspaces in China, with XinCheJian in Shanghai, Maxpace in Beijing and Chaihuo in Shenzhen. It looks like the governments are paying attention to the trend and are getting into supporting (or 'regulating') the movement."

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  1. New destination for the trailer. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Funny

    “You forget we're in China, there are tons of iPad clones available for a pittance in the local markets,” he says. “We modify them to match our specifications.”

    Ah, to be free. Chinese couldn't be any more difficult to learn than Australian. Could it?

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  2. Bizarro world by dyingtolive · · Score: 3, Insightful

    China, land of innovation and engineering.
    USA, land of draconian restrictions and propaganda.

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    1. Re:Bizarro world by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China, land of innovation and engineering.

      USA, land of draconian restrictions and propaganda.

      Wait, what?

      Do you think those Chinese "hackerspaces" are going to be available without strings attached? Do you honestly think they won't be monitored, censored, and otherwise strictly controlled?

      Absolutely. I might even be okay with that here, depending upon the nature of the strings. Anything to promote science and engineering again and maybe give the kids something to do outside of watching TV.

      Or are you being "ironic" with "satire"? I can't tell. "Irony" and "satire" has been so overused these days, I don't know what the fuck to think anymore.

      Frankly, I can't even tell, and I wrote it. :(

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    2. Re:Bizarro world by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      China, land of innovation and engineering.

      USA, land of draconian restrictions and propaganda.

      USA, land of engineering AND draconian restrictions and propaganda AND a minimum wage higher than China.

      China, land of cheap labor for manufacturing products based on designs engineered in US.

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    3. Re:Bizarro world by dyingtolive · · Score: 2

      I would say that High-tech is what corporations do best, not us. Remember the corporation is only here because it's convenient to them; there's no "Magic Western Civilization Fairy" keeping them here. China could replace us, and all we have to do is sit by waiting for it to happen. We're too busy fighting ourselves over whether specific plants and certain relationships are moral or not. When was the last time you heard someone encourage someone to read a book or try something new? We suffer from major cultural hubris, and that's going to catch up with us quickly.

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  3. What the hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is a "hackerspace".

    1. Re:What the hell... by cyfer2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I went to the Chinese page and it turned out to be "innovation studio" or "idea studio".

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    2. Re:What the hell... by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Informative
    3. Re:What the hell... by kubernet3s · · Score: 2

      it's a dedicated e-zone of the cybernet, designed for so called "renegade" code warriors to manufacture, pure unadulterated digistreams and unleash them on the unsuspecting infosphere, jacking into nodes, disabling linkups, and rerouting mainframes and wreaking havoc across the netverse

  4. Is this going to work? by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My experience with hackerspaces and government officials is that they really don't think the same way. One is all about breaking the rules and the other is all about living within them. I suppose it's possible for government to fund them and let them loose but it is certainly out of character. Big money tends to draw corruption too and that's death to a knowledge sharing environment.

    1. Re:Is this going to work? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Why try figuring out who the hackers are when you can befriend them and let them expose themselves to you (yes you read that right). That way the next time there is a crackdown it can be more surgical.

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  5. Re:If it were the USA... by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Making for personal use and research is protected.

    I don't believe it is

    Brown & Michaels Frequently Asked Questions on PATENTS says: "It [A patent] is a right to stop others from making, using or selling - any one of these. Thus, even if an infringer were to make the invention in a foreign country, he could not sell it in the USA. Similarly, it is still an infringement if the invention is made in this country but exported immediately, or if a person buys the invention overseas and uses it in the USA for their own use - there is no "personal use" exception for patent infringement.

    ehow.com says: "Fair Use with Patent Law
    There is no equivalent law for patents to the U.S. fair use clause which applies to copyright. Other countries have a patent law with similar applications, but there is no provision that allows a general exemption from liability when using a patent without obtaining a license from the patent holder.

  6. Re:China needs to do some thing about there copys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    China needs to do some thing about there cheap knockoff copy's of others stuff.

    And what makes you think if some one in this space does some thing that china does not like that they well will live to much longer the gov can make there death look like accidents and then say the hacker spaces need people on site to make them safer (read cops ready to stop some from thinning the wrong way)

    The U.S. needs to do something about their educational system if they want to stay in the game.
    China doesn't have to do anything, especially not care about foreign patents.
    They are eating your lunch and there is nothing you can do about it until you are willing to work twice as hard for half the wage. Whining about rules and rights is not going to take you anywhere.

  7. Re:China by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    Shanghai is big, 23+ Million and growing. But yes it is true. Property value is still increasing all while there are entire living units unpopulated. That's because as a resource, the government decides when to release them into the market. There's profit in scarcity. From a tax collection and population control perspective, the government still wants to control the first sale of availability. After that (from what my wife has told me), people are free to sell their existing unit to other buyers at market price. So the question many have is this. Why build so many homes (buildings) if there isn't a demand? To the west, that's a waste of resources and thus counter productive against market forces. But to China, they like build in phases all while still controlling supply and demand to an extent. It's inefficient because frankly, their government is inefficient. So ironically, the system works well for what it is. Relatively speaking that is.

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  8. Re:China by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

    Banks are offering loans to create make work projects for which they will never get repaid.

    From what I've heard on TV shows, it's exactly what happened in the USA.

  9. China is run by an engineer by melted · · Score: 2

    China is run by an engineer. The US is run by a not-terribly-successful lawyer. That's all you need to know. I bet Obama (let alone his predecessors) doesn't even know what a "hackerspace" is and what it could be useful for.