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China Telecom Mulls Entry Into US Telecoms Market

hackingbear excerpts from a story at Engadget: "Instead of resting on its laurels as China's third-largest wireless provider, China Telecom is now looking to branch out into relatively uncharted waters — namely, the U.S. consumer market. ... The proposed service would provide customers with handsets that could be used in both China and the U.S., theoretically appealing to Chinese-Americans, students or businessmen who travel frequently between the two countries ... and would even consider purchasing or constructing its own network in the States,' with the 'capacity to spend 'hundreds of millions or billions' on stateside acquisitions.' At its home turf, despite being a state-owned company, China Telecom, along with China Unicom, is being investigated over alleged monopolistic practices by the Chinese government. The two companies would face penalties of up to 10 percent of their annual business revenues if they were found guilty of monopolistic practices. This is the first such investigation into China's large enterprises since the Anti-Monopoly Law came into effect in 2008."

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  1. Thanks, but no thanks by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Certainly more competition is good, especially in the mobile phone market where there's barely any.

    But to trust a phone service from a country known for stifling free speech... I think you'd have to be a little crazy.

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    1. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But to trust a phone service from a country known for stifling free speech... I think you'd have to be a little crazy.

      And to trust the setup and maintenance of a CALEA-compliant (i.e., completely backdoored and eavesdroppable) phone service to a country known for industrial espionage... I'd think we'd also have to be a little crazy.

    2. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't trust any telecomminucations company to be honest- but I see no reason why to distrust China Telecom more.

      They'd have to be crazy to try to censor Americans in America on American [Chinese made] phones. They would lose customers pretty quick.

      When In Rome...

      I wouldn't be the first to switch- I'd have to see their costs and quality first. There again, I'm not an early-adopter of anything.

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    3. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Americans have consistently demonstrated that EVERYTHING is negotiable if the price is low enough. Certainly some people would have problems with doing business with China Telecom, but if the cost was low enough and the service was good they'd do OK in this market.

    4. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Deflatamouse · · Score: 2

      The corporation is not the same as the country it is from. Of course the CCP may be in control of the company. But they would have to obey U.S. laws if they were to operate on U.S. soil. WIth that said, I'll give them a try if they offer $5 unlimited voice and data plans ;-) At lease until other carriers lower their prices. Competition is a good thing.

    5. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So I should be concerned that China telecom might somehow be messin' with my service, but it's tolerable to KNOW that the NSA, CIA, FBI, and my local police can listen in without warrant or my knowledge?

      Frankly, China Telecom will fit right into the U.S. market. Let's see:

      - Accused of monopolistic practices: check!

      - Suspected of or confirmed to be cooperating with government in suppressing free speech, eavesdropping, etc: check!

      - Operates GSM network: check!

      Well, looks like AT&T might find a buyer for the TMO assets they don't need.

      I think CT nails it. GAME OVER!

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    6. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by purpledinoz · · Score: 2

      T-Com is German. How can you trust Germans, who have been on the other side of 2 world wars in the past century? China Telecom has no incentive to stifle free speech of Americans. Why would they? For shits and giggles? They just want to make money, like every other company, and since America's market is nearly monopolized, there's a good opportunity.

    7. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      So far as you know.

      Wait. You don't know that at all.

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    8. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China is a whole different ballgame, and youre naieve if you think otherwise. Try this test-- you and a buddy each get a cellphone, you in the US, him in China. You place a call to him, and start discussing the need for revolution in each country to fix its evils.

      Then see who gets picked up and sent to a labor camp first. Bonus points if your friend is a chinese citizen.

      I get that the US has problems, and (though Im still skeptical and wary of all the wild claims made about the state of interception here) I dont doubt that the FBI and NSA have some rather scary capabilities. But in the US they STILL have about a zillion hoops to jump through to monitor someone, theyre STILL subject to some degree of oversight, and they STILL respect the ability of a citizen to decry their own government (I dare you to find a citizen who was honest-to-goodness incarcerated for protesting the government here).

      None of that applies in China, they can pick you up for no reason and put you in a labor camp for two years (minus a day) with no trial and no judicial oversight, release you for a day, and then pick you up again. They can, have, and do incarcerate people for simply demanding change. If an Occupy Shanghai movement started up, it would be about 5 hours before there was military rounding all the folks up and shipping them to Inner Mongolia for some ReEducation by Labor.

      So sure, complain about the faults in our system, its what makes us stronger. But comparing us to China? "Youre out of your element, Donny".

    9. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by victorhooi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      heya,

      Yup, I'll have to agree 100% with the parent.

      What really irks me is stupid, affluent, middle-class suburbanites, sitting around sipping their latte decafs, bemoaning the awful, awful state of affairs and how they're "oppressed", and the "Man has them down"...*sigh*.

      Really? Why don't you get off your a*ses and maybe do some travelling and see what the world is really like. In places like China, the CCP can have it's local thugs come and beat you up if you try and stand for election:

      http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2097372,00.html

      Heck, in Singapore, supposedly a bastion of "democracy" in Asia - you get hauled in front of a court on trumped up "anti-sedition" laws if you try and start a protest march without a "license".

      I don't know if it's something to do with our Chinese culture or whatever, but it seems we're just not very compatible with democracy. Or if we do, we try to implement it with a "Chinese twist" *rolls eyes*, which basically means that whichever incumbent party is in power wields a iron fist of power and quashes opposition, all in the name of "promoting harmony and social well-being". What a farce.

      And I'm sure many countries in Africa, the Middle-East, you name it, are the same.

      I live in Australia, and I count myself very lucky and very fortunate that our society is open, and respects the rule of law. Sure, I don't agree with everything my government does - and I can vote, protest and file petitions accordingly (or just call our PM a tosser in public), but I never try to erect some ridiculous straw-man argument or spout hyperbole about how my government is "oppressive and tyrannical" and "destroying democracy".

      To generalise, you silly Americans don't actually know how good you have it *sigh*. I'm not saying that you shouldn't protest or challenge your government (in fact, that's my whole point), but you seriously need to get some perspective and open up your eyes to the real world, and countries outside yourselves.

      Cheers,
      Victor

  2. Re:China by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm Mao Tse-Tung, and I approve this message.

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  3. Bye bye US of A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well if you can't conquer them, buy them out. It always works.
    Go China, maybe US customers will have a hint of good competition in the market place for once.

  4. T-mobile by Usefull+Idiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one that T-mobile came to mind? I mean if AT&T can't make a deal with them, I'm sure China Telecom would have the $.

  5. I like to investigate myself too. by jpapon · · Score: 3
    So an Authoritarian government is "investigating" a state-owned company for monopolistic practices? Who's doing the "investigation", the son of the company director?

    I'm glad China is trying to clean up the corruption in their system, but there's little point if they don't allow competing political parties. An investigation of a state owned company by the state is somewhat suspicious in a democratic system, but when there's only one party, it's goddamn pointless.

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  6. Good luck by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    They'll need to be seriously cheap to overcome the power of Yellow Peril 2.0. Or name themselves Freedom Eagle Bacon Gun-tel.

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    1. Re:Good luck by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      I hear bribery is a common business custom in China, they should fit right in...

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  7. It wouldn't be censoring. by khasim · · Score: 2

    The worry is that they'd tap your calls and send everything back to China.

    Yep, I know, the USofA may already be tapping your calls.

    1. Re:It wouldn't be censoring. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Who cares if they do? What are they going to do with the information? Blackmail you with it when they find out you're having an affair? Please.

      They're a much smaller threat than the US government, which already has the legal ability to eavesdrop on your conversations without any kind of warrant, and uses this ability all the time. If you do something the USG doesn't like, they can actually arrest you and throw you in jail on trumped-up charges. The Chinese government can't do that (unless you travel there).

    2. Re:It wouldn't be censoring. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I feel sorry for the Chinese if they have nothing better to do than listen in on my wife telling me what the kids are up to.

      I can see not giving the police or military Chinese phones- but hearing about my kids is not going to benefit China any.

      The current US telecoms ALREADY track all your calls who- when- and where. I can't see how the Chinese tracking me would be any different.

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    3. Re:It wouldn't be censoring. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Exactly right. Heck, even if you're discussing illegal activities, what's going to happen? Why would the Chinese government care if you're going to your dealer's house to pick up a bag of pot? They won't. However, the US government would love to know about that so they can bust the guy, steal^Hconfiscate all his assets, and make the news headlines, and throw both you and the dealer in prison so that Wackenhut Corp. can make tons of money and give some to some friendly politicians.

    4. Re:It wouldn't be censoring. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3

      For company employees, I don't see the problem. How many low-level Google employees talk on the phone about sensitive job details? They work in cubicles, so they talk in person, or over their office phones, over email, etc. Of course, any high-level employees would be stupid to use this service.

    5. Re:It wouldn't be censoring. by joocemann · · Score: 2

      I didn't say that. I said Military members. Servicemen are free to get cellphones and use them in day to day life and in garrison.

      You're so naive its hard to read. You clearly have no idea how small bits of information can amount to a massive intelligence advantage. A quick dig through your garbage can and I can find out deep personal things about you, not only the information available on paper like adresses, accounts, amounts, calculations, etc, but also trends like your interest in non-conflict-zone products, consumer activism, and possibly personal discourse between you and loved ones. And that's the easy way to get intel fast.

      You can pretend you and everyone else out there has 100% COMSEC but the truth is that you don't, and people that are interested in you because of what they already know (position, employer, political interest, etc), can draw loads of interesting data from what you think is simple or pointless discourse. Even a talk with a coworker, not directly on subject, about how 'things are tough' can have serious business implications that corporate intelligence collectors can draw conclusions from.

      I truly urge you to assess the reality of data collection. You clearly have no idea where threats exist or by what means vulnerabilities can be found. XP up!

  8. Now, isn't this what all of you want by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    The idea that China cheats at business and now, they want to use monopoly status in China to come over to the west. This is SUCH a good idea.

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  9. Please, please, please do this!!! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When this happens, I'm there. I'll be their first customer.

    This looks to the future where China manages all US infrastructure. Where will it end? One can only imagine.

    Chinese management and control of the power grid? Water/sewer? National highway repair? Health care?

    For all the bad things people will point out, the sum total is that people will get much better services for the money. The Chinese motivation for doing things in an expert, professional manner will more than compensate for the loss of government control.

    Your trade is for a government which grants a lot of freedoms, and a government which curtails some of your freedoms (but generally leaving you alone) in a world where all the services run perfectly. And the freedoms granted in the first case seem to be evaporating in any event.

    The Chinese couldn't be *that* much worse than the US, and for good infrastructure I'm willing to take the chance.

    1. Re:Please, please, please do this!!! by fsckmnky · · Score: 3, Funny

      Move to China ... wish granted.

  10. Everyone Taps by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    The worry is that they'd tap your calls and send everything back to China.

    Who cares? Even if the government is not tapping calls already, some network engineer could be listening in for fun on any phone provider you are already using.

    Phone conversations are about the least secure form of communication these days; treat it as such.

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  11. No problem, but they only get 49% ... by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China Telecom Mulls Entry Into US Telecoms Market

    No problem. But China Telecom must do so through a joint venture where they only get 49% ownership and their partners with 51% must be domestic US companies. I'm sure China Telecom will understand how this is the manner in which to invest in a foreign country while tailoring operations to the foreign culture and history and thereby maximizing success. A win-win for everyone right?

  12. The NSA will love it by max2312312 · · Score: 2

    Finally a telecom company that has lots of experience working with the government.

  13. Re:Maybe a good wakeup call by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 2

    a somewhat already saturated market

    I have to disagree that the market is saturated. In a competitive market, prices are driven toward the cost of production (plus a normal return on investment) since competitors will undercut each other to get business until they reach that point. Without sufficient competition that doesn't happen, and pricing reflects profit maximization -- i.e., companies charge the most that consumers are willing to pay and reap substantial profits. With U.S. telecoms charging $0.10 for text messages when it costs virtually nothing (certainly not $0.10 or even $0.05) to provide the service, I would say we are quite far from saturation.