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Chevy Volt Fire Prompts Safety Investigation For EV Batteries

Three weeks after undergoing a crash test, a Chevy Volt caught fire. The car's battery was determined as the cause of the fire, though GM said its protocols for deactivating the battery following a crash would have prevented it. Either way, the National Highway Traffic Safety Association is now on the case. They're planning additional testing of the batteries, though they were quick to say, "Based on the available data, N.H.T.S.A. does not believe the Volt or other electric vehicles are at a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles. In fact, all vehicles — both electric and gasoline-powered — have some risk of fire in the event of a serious crash." According to the president of an engineering firm, "If a lithium battery is pierced by steel, a chemical reaction will take place that starts raising the temperature and can result in a fire... If the piercing is small, that reaction can take days or weeks to occur."

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  1. let's forbid life by emilper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... it causes death 100% of the time

  2. Why have Americans become nancies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you want to know why the American economy is swirling down the shitter? It's became Americans have become nancies. They have become sissies, if you will. They don't have the guts to take real risks. They don't have the guts to try something new.

    Maybe this shouldn't be surprising. America often has been a backward "conservative" nation for much of its history. Aside from a few generations at the very beginning of America's modern history, the tolerance for risk has been decreasing rapidly. Without real risk you can't have real gain.

    This story is a perfect example. This is clearly a very minor issue with a simple solution: if the vehicle gets into a collision, change the fucking batteries! But America as a culture will overlook this, and will overlook the immense economic and environmental benefits that these vehicles would bring, because they are TOO FUCKING SCARED to take what's a very minor risk.

    1. Re:Why have Americans become nancies? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you want to know why the American economy is swirling down the shitter? It's became Americans have become nancies. They have become sissies, if you will. They don't have the guts to take real risks.

      That's incredibly ironic, since the *actual* reason the economy is in the shitter is because of reckless risk-taking (over-leveraging). Boom and bust, greed and fear, the endless cycle.

      Secondly, the Chevy Volt has not been banned or recalled, even after the fire. So if anything it's evidence that people do tolerate some level of risk.

      It just amazes me so many people will jump in to support an idea that attracts them, even if it flies in the face of the case in point.

    2. Re:Why have Americans become nancies? by canadian_right · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We think you are nancies because you did revolt against your government when the patriot act was passed. We think you are nancies because you sue each other over anything and everything. We think you are nancies because you allow you government to do border searches over 100km from the border. We think you are nancies because you allow security theatre at your airports. We think you are nancies because you allow your police to "papers please". We thin you are nancies because you allow the police to stop you taking picture of public buildings. I could go on.

      I look at all your republican candidates (except Romney) and think you guys are just plain crazy.

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    3. Re:Why have Americans become nancies? by tftp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buy a Prius, then ask how much it's going to cost to replace those batteries in a few years. You'll probably pass out from the shock.

      You must be a very impressionable fellow if a simple zero could send you into convulsions.

      I own a Prius for more than a "few years" and the battery is just like new. It has a warranty for 10 years, IIRC. There are millions of Priuses on the road, including the Generation 1 from 2000, but, amazingly, there is no "battery panic" anywhere, except in minds of people with agenda. Those people don't own the car, but they are willing to debate it with people who do.

  3. Any car can catch fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially in an accident. Not sure why the Volt would get singled out. There's all of six of them on the road. Hell, VWs don't even require accidents to burn up.

    1. Re:Any car can catch fire. by DamonHD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      4 weeks later and entire tank of poisonous and flammable hydrocarbons could leak from a damaged car onto a garage floor or into a drain.

      ICE cars are no angels: we've just gotten used to their failure modes.

      Rgds

      Damon

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    2. Re:Any car can catch fire. by DamonHD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you claiming that there are no dangerous slow failure modes to conventional cars that an unaware driver could be hurt by, like balding tires, or brake fluid leakage or corroding wiring or whatever? Familiarity doesn't make them OK, and EV drivers will learn to look out for new failure modes if they prove common or dangerous.

      So, before accusing *me* of being full of fail, maybe try (a) thinking carefully about my underlying point beyond your OMG!!!11!-status-quo-is-the-only-thing-that-could-possibly-work thinking, and (b) stop posting as AC.

      Rgds

      Damon

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  4. Re:volt cells by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The batteries need to not fail _invisibly_ during a crash. If the fire was the result of the crash then it failed the crash test.

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  5. Re:I was always skeptical... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sadly, even as a red-blooded American, I have to agree. I would never buy a Ford, GM, or Chrysler product until they can demonstrate competence. I don't give a shit what jdpower or consumer reports thinks, Detroit cats are amateur hour trash. You couldn't give me one. Even the interior ergonomics are amateur hour compared to their Japanese counterparts. Comparing a Cobalt to a Civic is laughable. And European cars are little better. They all rust through and fall apart. And be prepared for a coronary when you go looking for parts. Japanese or bust.

  6. GM "protocols following the crash" would not help by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And here they are, from the 2-hour training session for first responders to Chevy Volt accidents. It's necessary to open the trunk and cut 12V cables at two points with heavy wire cutters. The cut points are marked with yellow tape printed with a firefighter hat and wire cutters. Here is GM's official instruction sheet for this. There's also a battery disconnect switch inside the center console of the vehicle, where a big plug is turned and removed. That's the normal procedure for disconnecting power during service.

    So that's the documented "protocol following the crash". That's what GM says to do, and what a first responder or a tow company would have done if they did everything right. It would have had little effect if a battery had an internal short.

    The Prius, Civic, and Ford Escape each have completely different battery disconnection procedures. The first responder community is not happy about this. They want a standardized, easy to get at way to quickly disconnect the high voltage battery in an emergency.