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Is There an Institutional Bias Against Black Tech Entrepreneurs?

An anonymous reader writes sends this excerpt from CNN: "The vast majority of top executives at the leading Silicon Valley tech firms are white men. Women and Asians have made some inroads, but African-American and Latino tech leaders remain a rarity. About 1% of entrepreneurs who received venture capital in the first half of last year are black, according to a study by research firm CB Insights. ... 'The tech industry is pretty clubby,' said Hank Williams, an African-American entrepreneur in the NewMe program who had success in the Internet boom of the 1990s. 'There are really no people of color in Silicon Valley.' Others say the issue could be rooted deep within the black community. The NewMe co-founders said African-American families don't typically encourage business leaders or programmers to pursue interests in tech."

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  1. observing a lack is not proof by wmeyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Observing an apparent deficiency in demographics is not proof of bias, it is merely an observation of what is.

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    1. Re:observing a lack is not proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If your theory is correct, then the current advent of masses of cheap-to-free computers is going to boost black presence in the tech field within the next 10 years.

      Not necessarily. You're correct that access to computers is a big part of the equation, but equally important is the culture the child is raised in. You'd need to be sure the family that owns the computer encourages using it as a learning tool (like an Erecter set) and not just as a portal to youtube and facebook.

    2. Re:observing a lack is not proof by WaywardGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This has not been my experience so far. True, there are few black engineers, programmers, and people starting businesses in Silicon Valley. However, those I have met have generally been outstanding at their work, and gained plenty of respect as well as responsibility. I believe engineering in Silicon Valley is as close to a meritocracy as the world has ever seen. There are all races, religions, and frankly no one cares so long as you are good at what you do.

      Now just some rough estimates... about 1 in 10 Americans are black roughly. American born engineers make up maybe 1 in 2 in Silicon Valley. The vast majority of these people did well at well respected universities. I'm going to guess that reduces the potential population of black men to hire by a factor of four, just because the black community is so much poorer and parents are typically not college educated. Multiply all that and I'd guess we come up with a pretty good estimate of why blacks are under represented in Silicon Valley. For one thing, white men are also under represented. Americans in general have for some reason decided to avoid real science, math, and engineering.

      "Cluby"? Give me a break. You can be a black Jewish lesbian and get a great job if you have engineering talent in Silicon Valley.

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    3. Re:observing a lack is not proof by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. Also, it's not that the culture "doesn't support 'wasting time'" with (technology|hockey|etc.), it's that the culture has different priorities from causasian and asian cultures. Black kids spend all kinds of time playing basketball when they're young, because that's what they have access to, and it's popular in their culture. They don't play hockey, because it costs a lot of money to buy hockey equipment, and you have to have access to a frozen-over lake, or pay a lot of money for membership with an ice-hockey rink. Being frequently poor and living in the inner city, the northern blacks don't have much access to frozen lakes and equipment. Southern blacks have it even worse, because the idea of a frozen-over lake is like something out of a fairy tale for anyone living in the South. There's a reason all the best hockey players aren't even American, they're all from Canada or Russia or eastern Europe, and the few that do come from the USA come from places like rural Michigan.

      These people complaining about a lack of black and hispanic technology entrepreneurs are idiots. I can tell you exactly why there's so few: because there's so few people from those groups who are engineers! It should be pretty obvious that tech entrepreneurs, largely being ex-engineers, are going to have a demographic makeup similar to the demographics of tech engineers (electrical and software mainly) in general, since they're really a subset of that group. As someone who's been an electrical and software engineer for 13 years, I can tell you that the number of hispanic and black engineers I've met throughout my college years and career I can probably count on one hand. In fact, I think I've met maybe 2 hispanic engineers total, and a handful of black ones (I had one who was my boss for a little while); blacks are definitely much more represented in my experience, though that's not saying much. However Indians, east/southeast Asians, Europeans of all types, and of course caucasian Americans are all very well represented, and there's even some middle-eastern Muslims and of course Israelis in this industry (I mean working in the USA).

      If you want to do something about the lack of black and hispanic tech entrepreneurs, don't: do something first about the lack of blacks and hispanics in engineering. Only after you do something about that problem will you see a change with entrepreneurs. Otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse.

    4. Re:observing a lack is not proof by Howitzer86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a black nerd guy, the only thing I think you got right is the culture aspect. My parents didn't like me 'wasting time' with computers, but I worked around them and 'wasted time' with computers anyway.

      Granted I am not the picture of success, but I think I did OK for what I had. In my opinion, we don't need assistance, we get enough of that. This isn't a problem the government can fix. It has to be fixed from within, by people like myself who know better.

    5. Re:observing a lack is not proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd need to be sure the family that owns the computer encourages using it as a learning tool (like an Erecter [sic] set) and not just as a portal to youtube and facebook.

      It's not just a home culture thing either...there's the culture at school as well.

      I can't speak for the current situation, but as of the early 90s, there was significant peer pressure to value things like sports and violence over learning and pursuing more traditional avenues for societal advancement. African-American students who did well in school or pursued intellectual hobbies were labeled sell outs or "house n...s" (lesson learned from my two years at that school...I'm not allowed to use that word.) There seemed to be a pervasive attitude that if you went about trying to succeed while playing by the rules of the establishment that you were somehow betraying your race. There was a belief that if you learned to speak proper English, you were somehow denying your racial identity. This was even codified by the school district trying to claim that Ebonics was a legitimately distinct language rather than admit that they couldn't teach the actual language to the African-American students (yes, I went to a school in that district...I was really fortunate to get into a private high school.)

      If you want African-American tech entrepreneurs, you need to foster an environment for them to grow up in that nurtures their tech interests rather than persecutes them for it. My two years in that school environment makes me completely unsurprised by the numbers in the story and highly doubtful that they represent a racial bias.

    6. Re:observing a lack is not proof by dokc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry mate, but that's crap. My wife has a degree in CS and she desperately tries to find a job in the field (in Germany). The reason why there is so few woman engineers working like engineers is because company bosses think like this:

      1. if she doesn’t have children, she will get pregnant and the company must search for replacement during maternity leave
      2. if she does have children, she will think more about children and tend to go home when regular working hours are over instead of staying and showing "loyalty" to he company
      3. I can squeeze more energy from man then from women because they they think less about their health and the future then women (who cares about burnout, projects must be finished as fast as possible with as least engineers possible)

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    7. Re:observing a lack is not proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you know why the bosses think this way? Because it's true. To illustrate, starting with item #1, I worked at a startup where the Director of Marketing had a baby 2 months before the first product ship date. Needless to say, it caused much anxiety on the part of the marketing and sales team, as well as ripples throughout the other 20 employees. She was MIA for the critical six month period bracketing the release of our product. When she returned she immediately went into the mode of #2, and the entire sales/mkt team had to pick up her slack (but she still drew a nice fat check). Meanwhile me and my fellow single, male engineers were squeezed exactly as noted in #3, and part of the reason was that we wanted the company to succeed so we did what it took.

    8. Re:observing a lack is not proof by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sadly no and here is why: Its the culture, not the lack of tech. I know this because for more than half a decade i played in an all black band (The singer Charles used to diffuse the situation at the clubs by saying "This is our token white boy, gotta support affirmative action ya know") so I got to go to many a place where white folks simply weren't welcome and it didn't take long until i was just treated like another guy.

      What I saw frankly broke my heart, families that would cheer if they played sports or music while seriously treating like shit anybody that tried to get an education or really did anything "geeky". you'd hear shit like Oreo and Uncle Tom and a hell of a lot of 'you think you are better than me?' bullshit. many in the community from what I saw looked upon someone more educated as someone looking down upon them and got downright hostile over it.

      While I also saw that to some degree with the poor whites nothing like the scale i saw it in the black communities and we played all over the south and often were invited into their homes and to their parties afterwards so I got to see it up close all over the place. Being a band we got invited to everybody's parties, reunions, you name it, and it really didn't take long at all before everyone just forgot I was there.

      Why someone would do such a thing i'll never understand. my oldest is going to premed now and if brains were a gun he'd BFG my ass while if I was lucky I'd be packing an AK. hell I'm glad he is smarter than me and has the skills to go to medical school, as I WANT him to go farther than I did. But from what I saw many black folks look upon it as a direct insult to their intelligence and will come down hard on those not going into music or athletics.

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    9. Re:observing a lack is not proof by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh its more than just a a corrupt culture and I'm sure i'll get hate for repeating it but Charles explained it this way and i think he was right after seeing it with my own eyes. He said "You got the black folks and you got the niggers and sadly we just got too damned many niggers". He said you can tell the difference because black folks value education and hard work, want their kids to succeed in things other than playing ball or music, and they try to avoid being around the niggers just as the blacks from Kenya you described.

      Then you have what he called the niggers that revel in stupidity, treat getting out of jail like its a cause for celebration like they graduated from college (we were actually hired to play more than one party that turned out was a "coming home" party) while treating anybody that tried to better themselves as an oreo or "house nigger", while singing songs like "Its' free, swipe your EBT!" (Its on Youtube, look it up, you won't believe that shit) and doing everything they can to get out of any kind of legitimate work. Oh and they play the race card at the drop of a hat, which REALLY pisses off the black folks.

      I'd say it really has split the community, with the black folks doing everything they can to disassociate themselves from the "Thug life!" ers as I call them, while the thug lifers blame everything on whitey and expect a position not a job. I'd say it certainly isn't be helped by the Rev Als of this world who play on the victim mentality instead of telling the community to work hard and support education. As my friend Dru put it "I didn't get to where I am, running over a dozen locations as regional manager by sitting on my ass and blaming white folks for my troubles, i got here by busting my ass and working my way up. Now most of the discrimination I see is because some nigger came along and rented from the landlord I want to rent from and tore shit up and acted like a damned fool and now the landlord is afraid to rent to me, afraid i'm like them."

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  2. Re:Access to a Computer by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That doesn't matter. The computer has to be in the child's home already. A kid who doesn't have a computer doesn't know that he wants to mess around with his computer. He has to have a computer, then be one of the few kids who would rather mess around with it than just play on it or do something else.

  3. Re:Option 5: Victim Mathematics by haggholm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, that would be a good analogy if black people and latinos were physiologically incapable of computer programming.

  4. Affirmative Action Won't Work by Atypical+Geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless, of course, you find a way to make computers care about what the person writing code on them looks like. Good luck with that.

  5. Re:Access to a Computer by scamper_22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    yeah, tell that to the thousands of Indians and East Asians in tech. Many of whom come from more poverty than you could imagine.

    Its not a rich and poor thing, it's a cultural thing.

  6. Blacks in Technology are Viewed as Space Aliens by ZenMatik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well this is an interesting article. I am black ... and I would like to add my voice - since most of the voices are very likely not black. There are many facets to a story like this. For one white folks do NOT like to be lumped into the same pot and also do not like to be made to feel guilty about racism. But racism does exist (look at the Yahoo message boards - very OVERTLY racist comments all the time).

    The questions as posed, is whether this prejudice applies to Silicon Valley. If your idea is good ... you should get a fair shake ... I think if you are a graduating PhD from Stanford with some new fangled technology, then you will get a fare shake. I know this, because the blacks at Stanford are very happy and they innovate. I have seen some UNHAPPY black people at MIT - I think for a long time they had no tenured black faculty and the one head of department was run off after his department revolted. So MIT from I have heard is not the best place if you are black person ... at Stanford, all I have seen is happy people - they get VC money, they start companies, they get faculty positions ... I heard Berkley is good too ...

    No one should be asking if there are smart, qualified black people - There are. There are smart qualified people of all kinds of backgrounds. If you discriminate, you shrink the talent pool.

    I do think though that African people (Black Americans, West Indians, Africans and others) working in American technological firms can be viewed as space aliens ... there are usually very few and when one appears in a project - there can be a reaction - or no reaction at all depending on the attitude of the team. Prejudices can come out ... prejudice is stupidity - let me say that now.

    I am a programmer - I program in C++ and C mostly ... Linux and VxWorks are my lingua franca ... my experiences over the years have been fun ... a lot of great projects networking, codecs, robotics ... a lot of cool stuff ... Today it would be highly unusual if I encountered direct and overt racism - I would likely have a very very hard time with that. I am fortunate - I know that some black people do work in hostile environments where they are second guessed or berated ... it does happen. I went to a private technological University - I had lots of black classmates - some of them have done really really cool stuff. I met fellow black peers at MIT, Stanford, Caltech and Berkeley ... there are many smart black people ... that go to some of the best schools. The challenge is that many us are buried away in great companies in labs or offices ... we are here ... but sometimes not seen.

    I think one challenge may be that SOME white people do not know how to interact with black people in general. This is not controversial or alarming at all. Why? Well when I look at my managers - I see 40 something, 50 something and 60 something year olds. For the older ones, they very likely did not go to schools with black people due to segregation - I understand that! This is America, and there is a social consequence that affects guys who graduated in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. Heck even guys I knew in college, that was their first time interacting with a black person. Truly for a good deal of white people there are sometimes few blacks in their elementary and high schools. Not to be an apologist for people - but from a social studies aspect - when a black person is suddenly introduced, people can act like a space alien fell from outer space. Will the black person lower the API score of my school (for Californians), is he qualified to work at my company? Did he get in through affirmative action? These are things black people think white people think about them.

    So in o

  7. The resume test needs to be redone by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem isn't that they were comparing "black" names to "white" names it is that they were comparing ghetto names to American names. "Jill" is a very normal, neutral, name in America. "Shaniqua" is a name you tend to only see come from, well, the ghetto. It is not a name that comes from African roots or anything. It sounds, well, lower class.

    However turns out it isn't just "black" names that have that. Try hillbilly names. Have "Shaniqua" run against "Sheri-Moon" and see how that goes. Both names are "odd" to the American ear and both speak of a lower class upbringing.

    In terms of "black" names I might note that someone who has a REAL "black name," as in one that has an African influence, currently holds the highest office in the land.

  8. There's also alother pressure on smart black kids by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is this expectation that they should go and do some sort of civil rights work, or something like that which helps the "black community". Neil DeGrasse Tyson gives a great talk on that at the HHMI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I5Fl1Qn-Do.

    In it (at around 32 minutes) he talks about an experience on college where another smart, motivated, black student found out he was working to be an Astrophysicist and said to him "Astrophysics? The black community cannot afford the luxury of someone with your intellect to spend it on that subject."

    So there is this pressure for smart black kids that you need to go do something that directly helps the black community. Be a leader in some respect. That of course negates doing engineering or anything like that.

    Now if you continue to watch the video, Dr. Tyson points out how his path has done ever so much, despite not working for "the black community." The man is the director of the Hayden Planetarium, a minor celebrity, a living, breathing, example that it doesn't matter if you skin has more melanin in it, you can still be brilliant and excel in your chosen field.

    But there's that pressure there. Once you've got out of the anti-intellectual community, which as you point out is EXTREMELY strong for black kids, you then face this pressure from the intellectual community that you should be doing some specific things. Doesn't matter what you are interested in, you "owe" your community to use your smarts in some way.

    Hopefully, time and people like Dr. Tyson will change that. People will see him, and more people like him, and say "It is ok to be smart, no matter my skin colour, and it is ok to use my smarts on the field I like."