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Reviews of Kindle Fire Are a Mixed Bag

MrSeb writes "Ahead of tomorrow's full-scale launch of Amazon's new wunderkind, panacea, and lynch-pin of its continuing distribution domination, initial reviews of the Kindle Fire are starting to trickle in... and they're not as fantastic as we had hoped. Unsurprisingly, not a single review is denying that the bright screen, solid construction, and $200 price point make for a perfect holiday season outing — but to actually win the hearts of consumers, to steal those throbbing, Cupertino-captivated organs away from the iPad, the Kindle Fire has to be amazing... and it isn't. Throughout almost every review, one particularly telling observation rears its ugly head: the Kindle Fire can be sluggish. Page turns can lag. Menus can be slow to load. Screen touches can be unresponsive. For a device that is entirely about media consumption, the Fire will live or die depending on its perceived alacrity. If an E Ink Kindle or Nook is better for reading books, and a smartphone or iPad is better for watching movies or listening to music, what space is there for the Fire?"

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  1. Stock roms, lawl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let it get rooted, and optimized by XDA devs and we can see what the tablet can really do.

    1. Re:Stock roms, lawl by Erbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I came here to say that, or at least to ask the question: Has the Fire been rooted yet? Is it as hacker-friendly as, say, the B&N Nook Color?

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    2. Re:Stock roms, lawl by lsolano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if it can be rooted, that will not make it succeed. How many people can actually root a device?

      I think the 90% (maybe more) of the people that buys a Kindle (or any tablet) do not even know about what rooting a device is.

    3. Re:Stock roms, lawl by PaladinAlpha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This.

      The whole story is partisan trash; I invite anyone to go to the articles source and browse the archives. They literally have a "why this is going to fail" article for every major Android product release, obscure "experts" decrying the benefit of any tech not found in iPhones (quad-core processors, newer nVidia chips, etc.), talk about how new Android versions "won't save them"; they do have a (very few) positive articles about Android features, but the overwhelming majority of content on their site is anti-Android and pro-Apple. There are valid complaints to have with Android, but it's top in marketshare, and it looks just a little fishy when 90% of stories are so heavily critical of Android.

      That's without getting to the meat of the matter, though. They make a lot of talk in the article about the poor reviews, about problems rearing their "ugly heads" throughout "almost every review," and then at the end they link two -- one of which calls the Kindle Fire "revolutionary" and gives it their first Editor's Choice for small tablets, and the other stating it's unquestionably a terrific value. Neither is anything but enthusiastic. So one has to wonder where, exactly, the conclusion in TFA comes from?

      This is just more Apple dittohead speak. Apple makes quality products. I wish they made quality users.

  2. We are getting one by Erect+Horsecock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's sole purpose is basically "grab that and look up x" device for the living room and game night in the kitchen. It's not for games, certainly isn't for reading (I have a real kindle for that), and sure isn't meant to replace my laptop for media consumption.

    $200 isn't that bad for a little net portal.

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    1. Re:We are getting one by adosch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $200 isn't that bad for a little net portal.

      While I agree 100% with that, how many times over are you going to spend that kind of money to find the 'shining light' that holds it's weight against the iPad before ultimately spending enough of your own money on sub-par devices that you could outright owned an iPad?

      No, I'm not a Apple fan boi, but the iPad is a pretty fantastic device. Nothing can touch it right now and I think what gets all of us as end-point consumers is everyone's marketing bullshit lately to get into the tablet market and make a quick, almighty dollar off all of us.

      I think the e-Reader should remain an e-Reader. Period. Perhaps the slight reach to make it enough to casually surf the internet and check e-mail I can live with, but that's where B&N and Amazon are making their mistake IMHO: Taking something and making it something it's not. Let's not forget the iPad was a touch-screen computing device with 'e-Reader and multi-media capabilities' not the other way around.

    2. Re:We are getting one by Viewsonic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously? You can't hold a laptop in one hand, and flick it on and within seconds you're on a web page and passing it around to your friends.

      Laptops are unwieldy devices, not meant to be pop on, pop off for quick info bites. Or sitting on a train doing something. I mean, it's possible, but its a huge PITA and not very fun. $200 is the perfect price point for these devices. Apple will have to play ball if they want to keep the market.

    3. Re:We are getting one by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would be nice if tablets came with that OLPC XO screen that switched between color with a backlight and black and white reflective for using outdoors. The black and white mode also had 3x the resolution, wonder how it would compare to an e-ink or iPhone 4 retina display for reading text.

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    4. Re:We are getting one by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Somehow I don't think Apple has much to worry about:

      From TFA:

      At this point, diehard Android fans are laughing their heads off. Everyone knows that Android suffers significant, sporadic slowdowns — but we assumed, given how much effort Amazon had put into customizing the OS , that the Fire would somehow be different. It turns out that that simply isn’t the case; and in fact, it looks and feels like the Fire OS is just a reskinned version of Android. Worse yet, the Fire doesn’t have a dedicated home or back button — and lest you think that it makes good use of on-screen buttons, like Ice Cream Sandwich , think again: The Fire OS is based on Gingerbread, which means that Amazon had to hack in on-screen home, back, and menu buttons. Unsurprisingly, but still disappointingly, reviewers seem to find these soft buttons hard unresponsive and/or finicky. The Fire only has a single dedicated button, incidentally — a power button — and it’s in such a position that can be easily depressed when in use.

      Suggesting that users won't notice unresponsive screens, buttons, an general lag is just burying your head in the sand. I foresee some initial excitement for this pad just like all the others before it, and then buyers remorse will kick in about the time the larger reviews do.

  3. Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A $200 tablet is unresponsive and sluggish? Shocker.

    1. Re:Surprise by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think that has as much to do with the Linux kernel so much as that Android is based on Java. And large chunks of Android (along with 99% of the apps) don't use hardware acceleration. Google wouldn't allow it initially due to differences in hardware.

      Now most everyone is using one of two types of GPU in all Android devices, and hopefully the software stack starts to take advantage.

      The iPhone 4S takes full advantage of offloading all UI rendering to the GPU, which makes it seem snappy and responsive.

      Amazon wrote a fairly customized version of Android here, so it is their own fault if they didn't take advantage of the GPU.

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  4. Most embarrassing by bonch · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most embarrassing part is that, like many Android devices, the Fire can't scroll smoothly despite having a dual core processor. Scrolling between pages is pretty important for an Amazon tablet. What is it about this task is so difficult? iOS 1.0 handled it back in 2007 on less powerful devices.

  5. Shockingly, lower price means cheaper experience by DavidinAla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this is a shock to the fanboys who demand that companies arbitrarily lower prices because they don't want to pay $500 for a tablet, but if you strip something down to a cheap price, there are tradeoffs. You lose some of what people want. OF COURSE it's not as good as an experience as something costing twice as much. Why in the world is this a surprise? If you don't mind the cheaper experience, buy the Fire. If you want something excellent and you think it's worth paying the money, get an iPad. Those are your choices. You can't expect an iPad experience at a Kindle Fire price. Decide whether you want cheap or good, but don't complain that reality won't let you have both.

  6. It's for filling the fad for the less wealthy by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not saying tablets are a "fad"- they will be around for the foresable future. However, the public's response to tablets at the moment is "fadish".

    It's the cool thing to have- especially for anyone wanting to look yuppyish and in the in-crowd. Not saying they don't have function for many people (although most people would still be more practically served by a netbook).

    So someone needs to fill the niche for the majority of people for whom Apple and other quality tablets are just too expensive.

    So regardless of whether kindle fire is any good- it will sell because there is a need for less wealthy people to feel "with it".

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  7. I think the concept is great... by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is people comparing it to an iPad2. It's not an iPad2. I don't feel sorry for anyone buying one thinking it's a cheap iPad2, nor do I think any reasonable people thought they would or should be competing for the same audience.

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  8. $500 vs $200 by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are they suggesting a $500 item might be better than a $200 item? I'm shocked!

    The fact that a $200 item is competitive feature wise with a $500 item should make it the better value, no?

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    1. Re:$500 vs $200 by aiken_d · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depends what you mean by "feature wise". If we ignore screen size (7" versus 10"), memory (8GB versus 16GB), construction (plastic versus aluminum), UX (sluggish versus snappy), thickness (0.45" versus 0.34"), glass coating (none versus oleophobic), camera (none versus front and back), and bluetooth (none versus yes), the features are competitive.

      The Fire may be a better value for you if you don't *want* the iPad's extra features, but it's not like there's feature parity for the $300 price difference.

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  9. Re:Shockingly, lower price means cheaper experienc by saider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People were probably hoping that Amazon was selling the Fire at a loss and that they were actually getting a $500 tablet.

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  10. iPads suck as reading devices by dell623 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The comparisons to the iPad are ridiculous. I do expect the Nook Tablet to be a better device and The Nook Color has the least reflective LCD display I have ever seen on a mobile device and the only LCD display I consider good enough to read on.

    However the iPad is a horrible reading device. Anyone who thinks an iPad is a reading device doesn't read much.

    - the iPad has much lower pixel density than the Nook Color/ Tablet and Kindle Fire. You can see it. And peopel who read books aren't going to have much love for pixelated text.

    - the iPad screen is horribly, unusably glossy. Basically the only situation in which you are not dealing with awful reflections is indoors when you manage to position the iPad so that no lights are reflected in it. Outdoor use? Forget it. The Nook Color as I said does a lot better.

    - the iPad is big and bulky for reading. It's not about strength or being too weak to hold up something as light as the iPad, holding something iPad size at arms length for a while gets old really really fast.

    - the iPad is not portable, it is nothing like a book. The Nook Color and similar sized devices like the Kindle Fire fit easily into a jacket pocket or a handbag, the iPad is a pain to carry around in comparison. The iPad is a coffee table device, not a true mobile device.

    What we want from the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet is something that is easier and better to read on and carry around and is a lot cheaper than an iPad. An iPad is a luxury, \anyone who does any seirous work will also have a laptop. The iPad is osmething you pull out when a laptop is inconvenient. Well, 7" tablets are even more convenient, and a lot cheaper than an iPAd which costs more than a basic, extremely competent laptop does.

    The other reason people will buy the Kindle Fire is the same reason people bought those junk $100-120 Android tablets. It's cheap enough to not have to think about. An iPad for a lot of people is a luxury, and something it's not hard to have second thoughts about. 7" tablets will give another reason to not buy an iPad. They are completely different devices, which will actually be more suitable for a lot of people.

    1. Re:iPads suck as reading devices by Sancho · · Score: 4, Informative

      As someone who regularly reads on an iPad, I'm not really there with you.

      - the iPad has much lower pixel density than the Nook Color/ Tablet and Kindle Fire. You can see it. And peopel who read books aren't going to have much love for pixelated text.

      I honestly haven't noticed the text being bad. Maybe I just don't know what I'm missing. A double-density display might be nice (comparing the iPad to the iPhone 4, it's noticeable, but not a degraded experience IMO.)

      - the iPad screen is horribly, unusably glossy. Basically the only situation in which you are not dealing with awful reflections is indoors when you manage to position the iPad so that no lights are reflected in it. Outdoor use? Forget it. The Nook Color as I said does a lot better.

      I agree with this. I got a matte screen protector because of it. I really wish Apple would deal with this problem.

      - the iPad is big and bulky for reading. It's not about strength or being too weak to hold up something as light as the iPad, holding something iPad size at arms length for a while gets old really really fast.

      I don't hold books at arms length. So I guess I never noticed a difference.

      - the iPad is not portable, it is nothing like a book. The Nook Color and similar sized devices like the Kindle Fire fit easily into a jacket pocket or a handbag, the iPad is a pain to carry around in comparison. The iPad is a coffee table device, not a true mobile device.

      I carry mine around in a handbag. I can't imagine having a 7" device in my pocket, jacket or otherwise. Heck, I can barely stand having a 3.5" screen phone in my pocket. It swings around annoyingly while I walk.

      An iPad is a luxury, \anyone who does any seirous work will also have a laptop. The iPad is osmething you pull out when a laptop is inconvenient.

      I never carry a laptop while I travel anymore. iPad in my carryon works great. I might throw a bluetooth keyboard in my checked luggage, if I think I'm going to have to do a whole lot of typing. Simple note-taking is fine without it, as are short, quick e-mails.

      The other reason people will buy the Kindle Fire is the same reason people bought those junk $100-120 Android tablets. It's cheap enough to not have to think about.

      Maybe. There are certainly more people out there who can afford not to think about a $200 purchase than a $500 purchase. I think $200 is still thought-provoking to most people. And anyone who reads specs (admittedly not most people) should be wary of the limited storage on the Fire. The Nook Tablet at $250 provides double the storage and expandability. If I were looking for a 7" tablet, that's where I'd be looking.

  11. Re:Bad blurp? by aiken_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you suggesting that /. shouldn't run news that has a negative tone, or that they should have found a more positive blurb for the Fire?

    It seems pretty fair and accurately representative of what I'm reading elsewhere. I don't see that /. has an editorial obligation to support Apple competitors no matter what the real story is.

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  12. Re:Shockingly, lower price means cheaper experienc by DavidinAla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, that's NOT what all the reviews say. Some of the reviews say it does a poor job on really basic things, such as page turns. If you like that -- and want a cheapo experience -- buy it. But don't expect an iPad experience for Fire prices. It won't happen.

  13. iPad killers... aren't by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I say this as somebody who doesn't have an iPad and can't figure out why people want one...

    Apple really has pulled something off with the iPad that I think hasn't happened in a long time. There are finally serious competitors to the first iPad, but they're more expensive and not quite as slick. The Galaxy Tab is probably the closest right about now, but it's just not as good. Nothing comes close to the second one in terms of performance, and it's still just $500. This is aside from all the user-interface things that don't figure into the specs.

    I've never seen anything like it. Apple released the first iPad almost 2 years ago and there aren't really any serious competitors. There are serious competitors to the first one, but they came out only just before the release of the second one! A brand new Galaxy Tab is still $500, is a lower resolution, and slower than it's also-$500 competitor!

    The iPad is honestly the cheapest option, but the best anyway. A pretty interesting thing for Apple, even though their high prices are mostly a myth anyway (the cheapest laptop for the specs I wanted was a mac). As we see here, by cutting the price back (and even eating a loss) you lose functionality very quickly.

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  14. Blog spam by artor3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1. Claim reviews are trickling in
    2. Only link to your own review, and repeat your own thoughts in the summary.
    3. Profit.

    No missing step required. MrSeb submits a link to a review written by someone named Sebastian. Coincidence? I think not.