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Syrian Protesters Roll Out New iPhone Apps

An anonymous reader writes "Protesters in Syria, dealing with a strict media blackout, have rolled out new iPhone and iPad apps to share news, stories, and even jokes. Amid a brutal crackdown, rebels are fighting back on their iPhones. The Arab Spring's newest weapon keeps the opposition informed—and the regime in check."

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  1. Wait for the media by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    praises of brave souls trying to bring democracy into their lives in 3,2,1 while at the same time making fun of the occupy protests in "free" countries.

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    1. Re:Wait for the media by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh yeah. Because a crackdown that killed 3,500 people (according to TFA) is clearly the same as throwing away a few tents.

      You realize that the OWS movement will never be taken seriously by reasonable people if hyperbole like this seem to be the common view of the movement, right? Because it totally won't. And shouldn't. Not saying it is. What I'm saying is your comments, and comments like this (which I see all the time on /.) only hurt yourself and the movement you (implicitly seem to) support.

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    2. Re:Wait for the media by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So you're saying it's okay to destroy property, but not lives. Funny -- the bill of rights seems to disagree with that. Police throwing 5,000 donated books into a dumpster is not a visage of democracy.

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    3. Re:Wait for the media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do people have to die before you listen to them?

    4. Re:Wait for the media by Bucky24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I consider myself to be a reasonable person, and I take it very seriously. Though there's really no way to convince you that I'm reasonable, just a there's no way to convince you that OWS is serious. There will always be a segment of the population that is threatened by the idea that the system might be able to change.

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    5. Re:Wait for the media by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah. Because a crackdown that killed 3,500 people (according to TFA) is clearly the same as throwing away a few tents.

      The manner in which a government responds to a protest has no bearing on the importance of what is being protested. Whether protestors die or not is a function of the government, not the protestors.

      Suppose somebody does die in OWS at some point. Will the two movements suddenly be equivalent in your mind? Are you going to perform an arithmetic comparison of the number of deaths? What's a blown-off limb worth, vs. as human life?

      And despite Americans' peculiar insistence on the infinite value of human life, there are things worse than death. We may not yet be at the point, which is all the more reason to try to change the situation now instead of waiting.

    6. Re:Wait for the media by ClioCJS · · Score: 4, Informative
      No, they weren't. If you ask anyone actually evicted by the police, the police did allow them to keep their property. They weren't abandoned, though maybe they were "abandoned". At this point, the law uses "words" that don't even have their common-sense "meaning" anymore, so maybe there is some legal status of "abandoned" that can be forced upon you even when you are not really abandoning your property.

      But by any common-sense interpretation of the English language, they were not abandoned. It was not voluntary. You are full of shit. And the bill of rights has a little something to do with every law in existence, for laws must take it into consideration in order to be legal. (Though there is always that awkward point after a law is passed, but before it is struck down. . .)

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    7. Re:Wait for the media by fredmosby · · Score: 2

      Yeah. As long as the US government isn't the most oppressive government in the world Americans have no right to complain about government oppression.

    8. Re:Wait for the media by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 2

      We have had 50k deaths and at least 10k disappeared in Mexico in the last 5 years in a phony drug war by a government that came from a stolen election but, since the killing is made on USA's behalf no many people there will raise their voice.

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    9. Re:Wait for the media by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      These comparisons between OWS and Syria are frankly sickening. People over there are dying, and you want to compare that to the tragedy of only having a modest house, a comfortable suburban lifestyle, and a short stint of unemployment? You know what the people in syria would give to have a fraction of what you have?

      Heres a shocker for you: 80% of the people in this country ARE the 5%, when compared to the rest of the world. But no, your cause is totally on the same level as people fighting for their lives.

      Seriously, your plight is so bad that you need to shift stories like this away from dying protesters to YOUR situation? Its some awful combination of ego, selfishness, and lack of compassion.

  2. Re:App Store Policy by wierd_w · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Depending on how you want to define the term [WMD], the free and unfiltered exchange of ideas and information could well be described in such a fashion.

    I mention this, because of some of the verbage in the appstore agreement.

    When the pen is mightier than the sword, for those wishing to uphold the status quo, both must be controlled. The former moreso than the latter.

    Given apple's philosophy about openness, (or lack thereof), I wouldn't doubt that they would remove the app from the appstore for "inciting violence" or some other absurd infraction.

  3. Re:cool by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    Knowledge is power.

    It will be interesting to see how many posters here will back Al-assad claiming that he is the rightful ruler of Syria.

    No ruler has a greater right to life than any of the people he governs. He's past the tipping point already. Start killing people and cooking up preposterous storys to back up your claim and you might as well leave now, rather than gunned down by a rebel soldier after escaping from your flamin motorcade.

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  4. Steve Jobs was part Syrian by arcite · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would be rather fitting if the iPhone helped along a revolution for freedom.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs was part Syrian by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would also be quite ironic given the nature of the platform.

  5. Why IPhone by horza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So the dissident first has to jailbreak out of his cell, only to have to jailbreak his cell? Why would they want to rely on an app that can be remote wiped by Apple at a moments notice? Not only are the Android phones more free, the faster processors will speed up encryption/decryption. Poor choice of phone.

    Phillip.

    1. Re:Why IPhone by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the dissident first has to jailbreak out of his cell, only to have to jailbreak his cell? Why would they want to rely on an app that can be remote wiped by Apple at a moments notice? Not only are the Android phones more free, the faster processors will speed up encryption/decryption. Poor choice of phone.

      Phillip.

      Wait. You think Apple would do that? You don't work at Apple. If they did Apple would be seen as a tool of bloodthirsty tyrants. I expect if the Syrian government even suggested Apple drop these apps you'd find an epidemic of "deaf ears" in Cupertino.

      Apple is all about saluting the Rebel in you, after all.

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  6. Protesters or campers? by perpenso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    praises of brave souls trying to bring democracy into their lives in 3,2,1 while at the same time making fun of the occupy protests in "free" countries.

    Very few people are making fun of "occupy" protesters. Its "occupy" campers that are being made fun of to some degree, even by supporters of the "occupy" protesters and the occupy movement in general.

    Camping in a public park despite regulations to the contrary is something quite separate and different from showing up on wall street carrying signs and speaking up about abusive practices. Get a room? Stay with a friend who lives in the city? Stay with a supporter who lives in the city? Camp in a *real* campsite outside the city and take a bus into the city? People I've spoken with who attended big protests in the 60s did these sort of things. Is there a lack or organization and planning today compared to the 60s, or is there a lack of supporters offering their couch or living room floor?

    1. Re:Protesters or campers? by Fned · · Score: 2

      People I've spoken with who attended big protests in the 60s did these sort of things.

      People you've spoken with who attended big protests in the 60s weren't going through Great Depression 2: Foreclosure Boogaloo.

      Do the math. There are altogether fewer couches. People big-hearted enough to open their homes to protesters likely already have their homeless friends on the couch...

    2. Re:Protesters or campers? by eriks · · Score: 2

      From what I heard from the 60s protesters they often stayed in a crappy little rented apartment, not some large home. I think the comparison to the 60s is still appropriate.

      Yes, the comparison to the 60s is certainly appropriate, since as others have said, the 60s was a dress rehearsal for what's happening now. Though keep in mind that in the 60s there were still (lots) of poor people living in Manhattan. Nowadays, there really isn't a "crappy little apartment" to rent, anywhere in Manhattan. Even Harlem has been largely "gentrified".

      My thought when OWS first started in Zucotti Park was that they would eventually be forced out, and would need to look for other places to stay and/or protest in shifts. However, I think the "camping" is actually a good strategy, for many reasons, foremost probably being the 24/7 presence accelerated coverage of the protest. The protesters are going to be vilified no matter what they do. They will need to find more places to stay, particularly for the harshest parts of the winter. There are MANY precedents for american citizens "camping out" for their rights. Of the top of my head, the biggest one I can think of was the WW1 vets in Washington DC in the 30s. Tent city for miles... not that there's a direct comparison with OWS there, but there are interesting historical parallels.

    3. Re:Protesters or campers? by perpenso · · Score: 2

      However, I think the "camping" is actually a good strategy, for many reasons, foremost probably being the 24/7 presence accelerated coverage of the protest.

      The problem is that I think the coverage may be counterproductive. As the 99% watch on TV they feel less in common with these people. Basically the movement "leaders" are playing into the hands of their opponents who want to mischaracterize the protesters as largely the neo-hippie "professional protesters" who travel from one WTO/G20/etc event to another. The more the TV cameras focus on campers rather than protesters with signs on wall street the more distorted the perception of the movement gets.

      There are MANY precedents for american citizens "camping out" for their rights. Of the top of my head, the biggest one I can think of was the WW1 vets in Washington DC in the 30s. Tent city for miles...

      You might want to follow that precedent a little further. The veterans were successfully mischaracterized as a mob and the President sent General Douglas MacArthur down there with federal troops to remove and disperse the "bonus army".

  7. The Bill of Rights speaks of due process ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So you're saying it's okay to destroy property, but not lives. Funny -- the bill of rights seems to disagree with that.

    The Bill of Rights speaks of due process. Setting up a camp in a public park against regulations, being *notified* to remove your property, being *warned* that property left in the park will be thrown out, might be considered a constitutionally acceptable due process. Requiring a permit to camp may also be considered a constitutionally acceptable practice.

    To be fair everyone was given notice that the park had to be cleared for cleanup. If a person chooses to leave their stuff there despite such announcements and warning there is an argument that the property was abandoned in a legal sense. It is a public park where camping is not allowed, is there not an inherent risk in setting up a tent? Personally I suspect may of those tents were left there in the hope they would get tossed, they were more valuable as PR tools than shelter. The cold weather is going to shut this thing down real soon and the tents will not be needed much longer.

    Police throwing 5,000 donated books into a dumpster is not a visage of democracy.

    The Mayor's office is reporting that Sanitation workers, not police, cleaned up things and that they handled books separately from trash. Books are being held at a city garage and may be picked up.

    1. Re:The Bill of Rights speaks of due process ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

      Except it's a private park. Good work though.

      The relevant laws apply to both public and private parks open to the public. The owners, Brookfield, requested that the city enforce the law.

      The Mayor: "We have been in constant contact with Brookfield and yesterday they requested that the City assist it in enforcing the no sleeping and camping rules in the park."
      The Owners: "In our view, these risks were unacceptable and it would have been irresponsible to not request that the City take action,"
      http://www.observer.com/term/brookfield-properties/

    2. Re:The Bill of Rights speaks of due process ... by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      The Mayor's office is reporting that Sanitation workers, not police, cleaned up things and that they handled books separately from trash. Books are being held at a city garage and may be picked up.

      Yes, that was their story.

      OWS's story is that they went down to this supposed holding area and were presented with 25 boxes of books. That was it. I don't know how many books were in those 25 boxes, but it's a pretty good bet it was only a very tiny percentage of 5,000.

      The mayor gave himself a major black-eye over this, and he'd kinda like to stay mayor after the next election. He has every incentive in the world to paint this action in the most positive light possible, perhaps even fudge the facts a little. Why on earth would you take the statements of such a person at face-value without even looking into the facts?

  8. Re:cool by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Be sure to run such arguments through the Abraham Lincoln test. Quite a few Americans were killed in defense of his "regime."

    Not in the same ballpark, not in the same league, not even in the same sport.

    Syrian "Arab Spring" revolt isn't about secession and landholders right to keep slaves, it's about people tired of a leader who, though elected, they have no real say in his election. His father was leader for 29 years. Don' t think that fits Abe or the conferacy even tangentially.

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  9. Re:cool by timeOday · · Score: 2

    I agree, but the rationale in your second post is much better than in the first. It's easy to get lazy and assume any leader who draws protest or revolt is illegitimate and must go. I suppose the real test is whether a leader will allow fair elections, and abide by them. Of course there are many shades of gray in election fraud.

  10. Rebels? Wealthy rebels, you mean by MastaBaba · · Score: 2

    At a GDP per capita of just over 5000 USD, Syrians owning iPhones is the equivalent of Americans owning a 5000 USD device and using that to bring the government down. Or requires the American equivalent of earning 500.000 per year to make the cost of the iPhone for these Syrians comparable to their income. Like, the masses, right? Clearly, not quite. Syrians owning iPhones are a tiny and rich minority. Claiming these people are rebels is like saying the 1% are, really, rebels.

  11. Re:What app, exactly? by davesag · · Score: 2

    I was wondering that too. What's the app called? Is it too much to ask for a link to the App store from the original story? Vapourware perhaps?

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  12. Re:Unfortunately Fundementalists are by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 2

    That's because the USA and their allied dictators saw any moderate leftist social democrat as sons of Fidel Castro and Stalin born in hell, and the ones not allied to the USA applied the same methods; any natural leader except for the religious leaders was killed by the secret services of arab dictators, so they don't have union leaders, members of professional associations or a free press that could be pool of new moderate leaders.

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