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Microturbines Power, Cool Servers Simultaneously

jfruhlinger writes "The infrastructure of a large data center poses two main problems: You need to find a way to reliably power all those servers, and you need to figure out a way to deal with the heat those servers put off. Syracuse University and the University of Toledo are experimenting with one gadget to solve both problems. Small power units that run on natural gas, called microturbines, provide reliable DC power separate from the utility grid, and their heat output can paradoxically be harnessed to cool the servers and transmit the heat to other buildings on campus."

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  1. Purdue University has this by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Purdue has done this for years, but with macro turbines. The main physical plant provides power, chilled water and heat most of the University.

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    1. Re:Purdue University has this by goofy183 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Citation?

      Many EDUs and other large business campuses use tri-gen plants and from everything I've seen they arguably are significantly more efficient per unit of input engery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigeneration

  2. Can they sell unused power back to the grid? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can they sell unused power back to the grid?

    1. Re:Can they sell unused power back to the grid? by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

      It'd be cheaper not to use it in the first place.

    2. Re:Can they sell unused power back to the grid? by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      The last 30 seconds of the video specifically mention that.

    3. Re:Can they sell unused power back to the grid? by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      That sounds wrong. Standard utility rates in North America are somewhere around $0.07-$0.15/kWh, not the $0.005/kWh you're claiming.

    4. Re:Can they sell unused power back to the grid? by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      In college, I lived three blocks from a natural gas fired tri-generation steam plant rated at 25MW electric, 70MW thermal, and 18000 tons of refrigeration. If you weren't paying attention, you wouldn't even know it was a power plant.

  3. Awwww shit..... by Immostlyharmless · · Score: 3, Funny

    My gaming PC already sounds like a Hoover and now you're telling me the next evolution in cooling is to put a turbine in it? :o(

    1. Re:Awwww shit..... by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      My gaming PC already sounds like a Hoover and now you're telling me the next evolution in cooling is to put a turbine in it? :o(

      Yeah, and it runs on natural gas, so there's that extra noise too. Stock up on frozen burritos.

    2. Re:Awwww shit..... by skids · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No this is for server rooms. Something tells me most people won't want to run a line from their natgas system into their server.

      Speaking of server noise, though, I've often wondered if a laminar-friction impeller might at least not have that high-pitched whine. Basically this is a squat horn-shaped surface spun really fast. The air enters through the hole and gets accelerated by laminar friction out in all directions -- so it would have to be redirected with a hood to produce a lateral flow compatible with server fans, but then might be able to "entrain" like that ridiculous looking Coand-effect donut fan that Dyson sells. The main problem is the bearing has to fit around the big hole, so that's much more bearing adding to the cost of the unit. Though it might be possible with careful motor design to make the whole plate levitate rather than ride a bearing. The huge advantage, other than the lack of turbulence, would be there's no leading surface on which dust and debris can perch.

    3. Re:Awwww shit..... by skids · · Score: 2

      The idea is that the device is completely symmetrical with no blades or veins. There may be some imperfections, but they would produce extremely low amplitude signal. Minus the actual noise of the airflow itself, should be as quiet as a hard drive.

  4. Turbo button? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will it finally have meaning?

    Will future PCs suffer from turbine lag?

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    1. Re:Turbo button? by squidflakes · · Score: 2

      Oh man, I would have gotten that headshot but my turbine was spooling down.

  5. chp by thejaq · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is combined heat and power many facilities do it. It is green in the sense that energy is conserved because waste heat is used rather than discarded. A data center seems to be a good opportunity. The turbine converts 1 CH4 unit to 0.3 electricity, while the absorption chiller will move about as much energy as it consumes (COP 1), which means the 0.7 waste heat off the turbine can easily move the 0.3 units of data center electricity out of the data center and 0.4 units of waste heat (+ 0.3 data center heat) can still be used for another purpose. It might be good for a data center operator, but from a systems perspective the better use for that CH4 is still in a combined cycle utility plant which can make 0.6 electricity, use the waste heat for some co-located industrial facility and make the datacenter run an electric AC (COP ~ 3).

  6. Re:Micro... by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

    Traditional gas turbine generators run 5-10MW for small ones, up to 100MW for large ones. In this case, a microturbine would be something small on 10-100kW. Note that a large automotive turbocharger is capable of 100kW or more. On the plus side, multiple smaller units means a more redundant system with less overhead. On the minus side, several small turbines is both more expensive and less efficient than one large one of the same output. It would be cheaper to just go with two large turbines, each capable of handling the full power load of the server farm.

  7. Cooling with gas by SEWilco · · Score: 2

    heat output can paradoxically be harnessed to cool the servers

    Someone's never heard of LP gas-powered refrigerators.

  8. Re:Micro... by afidel · · Score: 2

    Hehe, I run an S&P 500 company on 40kW and 12 tons of AC, virtualization and SSD's for high IOPS loads are a wonderful thing. In fact I'll probably be well below 30kW in 6 months if I can get the 4 shelves of 450GB drives to fill out my new SAN (damn floods in Asia) so I can retire the old one and all the old P4 based servers connected to it that constitute almost half my physical server count at this point.

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  9. One of these... by Bartles · · Score: 2

    Turbines can do a lot of work. They can produce power and compressed air simultaneously. Would be interesting if that compressed air supply was run through one of these. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube We have a small one in the shop, a very simple device. Connecting it to our shop air, at 125psi, creates air at one end that will make your fingers go numb, and the other end outputs heat at about hair drier temperatures. The tube is about 6 inches long and 1 inch in diameter.