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Engineers Create World's Lightest Material

ackthpt writes "A team of engineers claims to have created the world's lightest material. Made from a lattice of hollow metallic tubes, the material is less dense than aerogels and metallic foams, yet retains strength due to the small size of the lattice structure (abstract). The material's density is 0.9 milligrams per cubic centimeter. Among other things, it's potentially useful for insulation, battery electrodes, and sound dampening."

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  1. So... by Kaenneth · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Series of Tubes, eh?

    1. Re:So... by Bob-taro · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Series of Tubes, eh?

      Jen: "It's so light!"

      Moss: "Of course, Jen. The internet doesn't weigh anything!"

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  2. Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.

    1. Re:Unlikely by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

      The AC beat me to it. I was going to post that this stuff should float in a normal Earth atmosphere. If true, this would be an amazing breakthrough, but my skeptic's glasses are on right now.

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    2. Re:Unlikely by Tatarize · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're obviously going to have tared the measuring against air. Making it .9mg above the weight of the air. But, if there is no air, it would weight .9.

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    3. Re:Unlikely by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some Aerogels can already float in air, but most of those are incredibly fragile.

    4. Re:Unlikely by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that is the case, then aerogel wins
      aerogel is 1.9mg/cm^3 in a normal atmosphere, only 0.7mg above the weight of the air.

      Can someone settle the discrepency beside speculating like we are?

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    5. Re:Unlikely by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

      Got a link? The lightest materials I can find are about 50% more dense than air. I am really curious about stuff like this, so wold like to read more...

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    6. Re:Unlikely by Rhaban · · Score: 2

      the tubes are filled with air, so you must take into account the weight of the air. total should be close to 2.1kg/m.
      the material isn't really this light in itself. It's like making a 1m box with paper and claiming it weights ten g/m.

    7. Re:Unlikely by Zerth · · Score: 5, Informative
    8. Re:Unlikely by Jeng · · Score: 5, Informative

      I normally don't link videos, but in this case it makes sense.

      I think this is what he is talking about.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCAxS4vqwQ

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    9. Re:Unlikely by Zerth · · Score: 4, Informative

      The trick is to purge the CO2 with helium or hydrogen after you've finished the supercritical drying.

    10. Re:Unlikely by IronOxen · · Score: 2

      If it is lighter than air per cm^3 then make it in a vacuum and lets build a flying saucer

    11. Re:Unlikely by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 2

      0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.

      It was pointed out that the value 0.9 for density does not include the air. This makes sense because then we would need to know the exact composition of the air used so we could get an accurate measurement of the material. All that said, however, "lighter than air" has no relevance with respect to density.

    12. Re:Unlikely by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The lightest Aerogel when evacuated has a density of ~1mg/cm^3

      It is porous, and when air is allowed into its structure to goes up to 1.9mg/cm^3.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel

      It doesn't have the strength to resist 1 atmosphere of pressure when sealed. But helium can be used to equalize the pressure and the material will float in air.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCAxS4vqwQ

    13. Re:Unlikely by sam0vi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is just my guess, but that is probably its density in a vacuum. When exposed to atmosphere, air goes through the cavities, filling then up, thus increasing its density. Something like calculating the density of a sponge in an underwater environment. My 2 cents.

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    14. Re:Unlikely by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So they aren't measuring the volume properly. They are measuring the bounding box, and not doing an Archimedes-style immerse-it-in-a-fluid-and-measure-the-displacement volume measurement. If they did that, I'm sure the density would be the same as the metal from which it is made.

      But if you're going to cheat, and measure the volume of the envelope, then I'm sure I've got a lighter than air tent. And what about all those air supported sports domes? Zepplins and hot air balloons? Been there. Done that.

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    15. Re:Unlikely by ukemike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.

      Yes, and if you wrapped an impermeable skin around it and evacuated the air using the lattice material as a support for the skin then it probably would float (assuming that the skin didn't tip the balance of the stuff into being too dense and assuming the material was strong enough to resist collapse from the atmospheric pressure). BUT it is a lattice material and the spaces in between the hollow metallic tubes are typically, brace yourself... full of air! So on it's own it does not float.

      It's amazing to me that the parent got modded insightful. Sure he can google the density of air, but clearly he couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag.

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    16. Re:Unlikely by Bengie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It could be a weight vs mass issue. Even though they're using grams, they may be making it laymen and treating it like a weight.

      So it has a "weight" of 0.9kg/m^3 when including buoyancy from our atmosphere.

      When most people put something on a scale and sees 1KG, they don't think.. "ooops, forgot to compensate for the volume of air it displaces"

      But you do bring up a good point that I would love to have answered.

    17. Re:Unlikely by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The AC beat me to it. I was going to post that this stuff should float in a normal Earth atmosphere. If true, this would be an amazing breakthrough, but my skeptic's glasses are on right now.

      Well, no: the material itself if still made of metal, and the metal has a density greater than atmosphere, and the atmosphere pervades through it (it's an open cell lattice). In order for it to float in air, you would need to enclose it (i.e., put a skin around it) and remove the air from the interior volume. The material needs to displace the air. The same could be said for boats: they float on water only when the hull has the water removed. Once the water gets inside the hull, you face the fact that the boat is made of metal and will sink. The buoyancy in air or water is based on displacing the fluid by something of lesser density. For a floating boat, replacing water with air. For a chunk of this foam, replacing air with helium, vacuum, etc.

    18. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If this is true, I can finally wear my brass goggles and top hat while riding in the above mentioned airship.

    19. Re:Unlikely by bogd · · Score: 2

      By your standards, bread is the same density as dough, and swiss cheese the same density as... regular cheese :) Face it - sometimes the holes in the structure of the material are relevant, and will affect the overall density (and the fact that they are uniformly distributed is relevant, which excludes your tent). Even ice has a lower density than water because of "tiny holes" in its structures (actually, these "holes" are increased spaces between the atoms making up the ice).

    20. Re:Unlikely by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Take a 5-gram balloon.

      Blow it up to 6 liters.

      Now it's 0.83 mg/cm^3.

      How hard is that?

    21. Re:Unlikely by EdIII · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what I was thinking. If this material still retains enough strength to resist the crushing force of air at sea level when wrapped and a vacuum inside, it has some very interesting applications. That's a pretty big accomplishment of course, and I am skeptical. The skin around this would have to be very light and strong. Easier said than done.

      If true, you could have airships that don't rely on gases lighter than air to float. Which is a good thing, since Helium is running out.

  3. Hello, Computer... by milbournosphere · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I guess Scotty and the rest of the crew finally got here. Watch the sky for Klingon warbirds and flying whales!

    1. Re:Hello, Computer... by impaledsunset · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, Scotty gave us transparent aluminium, i.e. the thinnest transparent material. Not the lightest material. Light and thin aren't the same thing yet, at least not before a few coordinate system transformations.

  4. This is getting ridiculous... by Tastecicles · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and slightly convenient, too.

    Week before it was the blackest material ever.
    Last week it was the slipperiest.
    This week it's the lightest.

    What's on for next week? Heaviest? Densest? Whitest? Most beige?

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    1. Re:This is getting ridiculous... by P-niiice · · Score: 5, Funny

      sleepiest, dopiest, bashfulest

    2. Re:This is getting ridiculous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We've already found the densest thing in the universe. A slashdot thread argument between unity100 and roman_mir about the role of government in the market.

    3. Re:This is getting ridiculous... by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of which would be interesting. Some of us like science and engineering.

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  5. But how cheap can they get it? by Chelmet · · Score: 2

    I understand it'll be horribly expensive right now and that production prices will drop, but cheap enough for the likes of insulation? Or are we talking space station stuff here?

    1. Re:But how cheap can they get it? by jandrese · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want superlight insulation, you can already buy Aerogel in bulk quantities. It's not exactly cheap, but it's not completely outrageous either.

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    2. Re:But how cheap can they get it? by Jeng · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The cnet article someone else linked has a lot more information.

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57327382-264/breakthrough-material-is-barely-more-than-air/?part=rss&subj=crave&tag=title

      It looks like this will be significantly cheaper to produce than aerogels and sturdier.

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    3. Re:But how cheap can they get it? by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I understand it'll be horribly expensive right now and that production prices will drop, but cheap enough for the likes of insulation?

      Or are we talking space station stuff here?

      They say it's a good insulator, but I don't understand why -- the picture makes it appear that there are significant holes throughout the material - seemingly enough to allow convective heat losses? I can believe that the metal is too thin for much conduction, but I don't see why convection is not an issue? Seems like Aerogel would make a better insulator.

  6. I like it but by sgt+scrub · · Score: 3, Informative

    Would it be feasible to replace drywall. It sounds like a better insulator than drywall, not to mention its sound dampening effects. What would be the effects of dust from it on the lungs? Will it suffer the same fate as Asbestos?

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    1. Re:I like it but by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Due to its expense I can't see this being used as a drywall replacement. Drywall is used to due to how cheap it is, not because it is the best at its job.

      If it was used in the same fashion as drywall then the actual lattice would be covered by a paper layer and then acoustic mud, just like drywall.

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    2. Re:I like it but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What?! Your comment does not compute. Thats like saying NASA just built this new rocket, I bet it would work great to heat my house with it!

      Drywall's sole purpose is to be a flat surface (ie: a wall) for painting and as a fire resistant to give occupants of buildings slightly more time to get out. Hence the reason they often use double or triple layers of drywall between shared walls. It offers virtually no insulation value whatsoever, which is why its paired with actual insulation on exterior walls.

      This material doesn't share [b]any[/b] of those properties in a practical sense. Its obviously porous and would be impractical to paint, not to mention it would probably cost thousands of times more than drywall and be much more difficult to work with.

    3. Re:I like it but by Shimbo · · Score: 2

      No, you'ld have ninjas bursting through it all the time.

    4. Re:I like it but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps RTFA instead of spreading ignorance. It indicates this stuff is stronger than Aerogel. There's pictures of a square inch of aerogel not being crushed by a 10 pound weight sitting on it. As the article states, when you start getting down to nano sized structures, it tends to get stronger, not weaker.

  7. But is it easier to make? by squidflakes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with aerogels is that they can be very finicky during production, and unless you make them hydrophobic (or is it hydrophillic?) they can start to dissolve from as little as a single drop of sweat.

    Some friends and I got some lab equipment during a "Lost Our Grant" sale, which included a high-pressure autoclave. We thought making aerogel would be a hoot, but damn is that stuff difficult to produce. It is relatively cheap, but during the supercritical drying phase, you'd best not bump the autoclave, and you better have mixed everything right. That stuff is like the comedy souffle of the future.

    Anyway, the novelty wears off after you've played with the stuff for 20 minutes. The novelty of watching the cat bat it around takes about an hour.

    1. Re:But is it easier to make? by Jeng · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Someone linked a cnet article with more information including how it is produced.

      From reading it it sounds like it will be easier to produce, but I really don't know a damn thing on this subject.

      What's your take?
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57327382-264/breakthrough-material-is-barely-more-than-air/?part=rss&subj=crave&tag=title

      The lattice is constructed through several steps, Carter said. First, lasers beam ultraviolet light into a reservoir of a resin that forms polymer fibers when the light hits it. The fibers follow the path the light takes, and using multiple beams creates multiple interconnected fibers.

      Next, the rest of the resin is washed away, the polymer fibers are coated with a very thin layer of nickel, and the polymer fibers are then dissolved, leaving only the metal lattice.

      The dimensions of the lattice can be adjusted by changing the properties of a perforated mask through which the ultraviolet line is beamed, the paper said.

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  8. Heck... by srussia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.

    The freaking Universe has a density of 9.9x10^-27 kg/m^3

    Make of that what you will!

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  9. Here's my post on this from Thursday by wisebabo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess the editors didn't appreciate my flights of fancy!

    wisebabo writes
    "Wow, so here's something that beats even aerogel (which I understand is 99.9% empty space; this new material made from metal, is 99.99% empty space!)!

    Anyway, in typical slashdot.fashion, knowing nothing about its mechanical properties (other than the article says it could be a good insulator or sound absorber) not to mention knowing nothing about how it is made or what it costs, let me propose two applications:

    1) take a large slab and wrap it in an airtight non-gas permeable membrane. Pump out the air. Voila! You now have a lighter than air structure that doesn't use expensive helium or flammable hydrogen. Let the new age of dirigibles (and floating in mid-air furniture) begin!

    2) Find a way to make this from its raw materials in a vacuum and in zero-g (hopefully it won't require a large amount of super-critical fluids like liquid CO2 that aerogels do). Launch a not-too-heavy manufacturing plant into LEO and make a (VERY) big cube or sphere of this stuff. Voila! Just like aerogels, you'll have a material that'll be perfect for capturing or at least slowing down all the hypervelocity space junk just like the "Stardust" and "Genesis" probes did. This'll be perfect for getting all the tiny particles and "flakes" that are too small to chase down, zap with a laser or perhaps even track via telescope or radar. Because it's very light, it'll be economical to launch something very big. (Best to attach an ion engine or some low thrust, high efficiency engine to change/maintain orbit).

    2b) Oh well, as long as we're dreaming; if you can make this in space, it'd be perfect for making heat shields that weigh almost nothing (and are very very compact to launch because you're just launching the raw materials right?). Could be useful for any probe that's heading to any planet with an atmosphere or reentry to earth. Good for BIG solar shields (a la the movie "Sunshine") also.

    2c) Okay, last one, I promise. If it deforms in a predictable manner, how about using it as an "airbag" replacement? After the (huge) heat shield has done it's work, the space probe could be cushioned upon impact with something stronger than an airbag without being prohibitively heavy. (Won't have to use that crazy "sky crane" like they're going to try with the MSL).

    Anyway, here's to totally uninformed speculation!"

  10. Floating furniture? by wisebabo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a repost of my post I submitted yesterday (don't know why they rejected it, probably thought I was too hair brained).

    Anyway, here are some applications for a lighter than air substance!

    wisebabo writes
    "Wow, so here's something that beats even aerogel (which I understand is 99.9% empty space; this new material made from metal, is 99.99% empty space!)!

    Anyway, in typical slashdot.fashion, knowing nothing about its mechanical properties (other than the article says it could be a good insulator or sound absorber) not to mention knowing nothing about how it is made or what it costs, let me propose two applications:

    1) take a large slab and wrap it in an airtight non-gas permeable membrane. Pump out the air. Voila! You now have a lighter than air structure that doesn't use expensive helium or flammable hydrogen. Let the new age of dirigibles (and floating in mid-air furniture) begin!

    2) Find a way to make this from its raw materials in a vacuum and in zero-g (hopefully it won't require a large amount of super-critical fluids like liquid CO2 that aerogels do). Launch a not-too-heavy manufacturing plant into LEO and make a (VERY) big cube or sphere of this stuff. Voila! Just like aerogels, you'll have a material that'll be perfect for capturing or at least slowing down all the hypervelocity space junk just like the "Stardust" and "Genesis" probes did. This'll be perfect for getting all the tiny particles and "flakes" that are too small to chase down, zap with a laser or perhaps even track via telescope or radar. Because it's very light, it'll be economical to launch something very big. (Best to attach an ion engine or some low thrust, high efficiency engine to change/maintain orbit).

    2b) Oh well, as long as we're dreaming; if you can make this in space, it'd be perfect for making heat shields that weigh almost nothing (and are very very compact to launch because you're just launching the raw materials right?). Could be useful for any probe that's heading to any planet with an atmosphere or reentry to earth. Good for BIG solar shields (a la the movie "Sunshine") also.

    2c) Okay, last one, I promise. If it deforms in a predictable manner, how about using it as an "airbag" replacement? After the (huge) heat shield has done it's work, the space probe could be cushioned upon impact with something stronger than an airbag without being prohibitively heavy. (Won't have to use that crazy "sky crane" like they're going to try with the MSL).

    Anyway, here's to totally uninformed speculation!"

  11. Potentially useful by PPH · · Score: 2

    You can make Slashdot articles out of it.

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  12. Well actually... by bigkahunah · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:Well actually... by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      They forgot all the fiber, routers, modems, computers, servers. What, those aren't part of the internet?

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