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Muslim Medical Students Boycott Darwin Lectures

First time submitter Readycharged writes "The Daily Mail reports on a piece from The Sunday Times revealing that University College London have seen an increasing number of Muslim students boycotting lectures on Evolution due to clashes with the Koran. Steve Jones, Emeritus Professor of Human Genetics, says, 'I've had one or two slightly frisky discussions with kids who belonged to fundamentalist Christian churches, now it's Islamic overwhelmingly.' He adds, 'What they object to — and I don't really understand it, I am not religious — they object to the idea that there is a random process out there which is not directed by God.' The article also reveals that Evolutionary Biologist and former Oxford Professor Richard Dawkins also experienced Muslims walking out of such lectures."

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  1. Re:I have problems with this by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if they also object to quantum mechanics?

  2. Re:I have problems with this by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    The question answers itself.

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  3. Just Speaking Generally by mentil · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't boycotting an academic lecture be equivalent to willful ignorance? Understanding your opposition's arguments, even if you know going in that you completely disagree with their conclusion, is a useful thing to have.

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  4. Re:So fail them by imroy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tell them the only way they'll get a degree from a respected institution is to not be an idiot.

    Sadly, there are now a few creationists with degrees in things like biology or geology. They manage to fake their way through uni/college and then go on the creationist lecture tour circuit touting their degrees. It's the classic argument from authority fallacy: "I have a degree, so everything I say is factual. God did it. Really. I have a degree."

  5. Re:I have problems with this by theNAM666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    God does not play dice.

    -- Albert Einstein (aka Anti-science Jewish fundamentalist)

  6. Re:I have problems with this by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if they also object to quantum mechanics?

    I know I do. Had a few working on my particle accelerator, but they could only tell me what was probably wrong with it...

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  7. Re:What's evolution got to do with treatment? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    What does belief/disbelief in evolution have to do with medical treatment? A medical doctor needs to know how the body works right now, not how it got to that point. I'm a bit fuzzy on how a belief in evolution helps a doctor diagnose and fix a problem in the patient in front of them.

    I think this illustrates the point nicely: http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2005/12/18

    • Patient: TB? My God! Are you sure?
      Doctor: Afraid so, but we caught it early.
    • Patient: So my prognosis is good?
      Doctor: Depends. Are you a Creationist?
    • Patient: Why yes, yes I am. Why do you ask?
      Doctor: Because I need to know whether you want me to treat the TB bug as it was before antibiotics...
    • Doctor: ...or as the multiple-drug-resistant strain it has since evolved into.
    • Patient: Evolved?
      Doctor: Your choice. If you go with the Noah's Ark version I'll just give you streptomycin.
    • Patient: Um... What are the newer drugs like?
      Doctor: They're intelligently designed.
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  8. Re:Up to them by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do you also object to having the *theory* of gravity shoved down your throat?

  9. Re:Up to them by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The problem with the Koran is that it is supposed to be the literal word of God, but apparently he was a bit confused at the time and came out with a load of contradictory and ambiguous advice. Unfortunately for Muslims you have to follow his advice if you want to get in heaven, even when it makes no sense or was seemingly written while inebriated.

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  10. Re:Up to them by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're unlikely to be afflicted by some ailment that cannot be alleviated be relief of subluxation or malaise. A chiropractic adjustment and an elixir of Mare's blood taken during menstruation and diluted 10x will cure what ails you.

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  11. Re:I have problems with this by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

    The thing about reality is that it does not go away, even if you don't believe in it.

    I disagree. Wile E Coyote could defy gravity by denying its existence at will. Why he chose to sometimes believe in it, to his peril, and why the Road Runner never did believe is an ongoing philosophical debate with great controversy.

    Your statement also reminds me of the question, "If a tree falls in a forest and kills a mime, does anybody care?". Does reality effectively cease to be if you are not aware of it, or if you become aware of it, do you even care?

    Another question to ponder, one of the great mysteries too, is if Bugs Bunny really believed it was duck season, was it in fact duck season? That will bake your noodle too.

  12. Re:I have problems with this by voidphoenix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wile E Coyote could defy gravity by denying its existence at will. Why he chose to sometimes believe in it, to his peril

    Residual self-image? :)

  13. Joining the Bandwaggon by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    These religious fundamentalist are all alike. Obviously it doesn't matter how they call their deity. For evangelical Christians evolution is a lie (though their own idea of creation of life is not even a theory (if you think it is a theory, please look up the scientific definition of theory)). And now fundamentalist from the monotheistic abrahametic religion version 1.2 come to the same "conclusion".

    I always wonder why all these fundamentalist believe in a stupid god who works by rules which are totally imprecise and dependent to certain properties of a region and technical level. Fundamentalists from version 1.0 are not to work on $HolyDay and that included making fire (some 6000 years ago). Nowadays they are therefor not allowed to use cars on $HolyDay or cook on $HolyDay even though today making a fire in your home does not require any big thing to do. And new problems arise with microwaves is that fire in the ancient context? What they forget is. Why the people (er. god) came up with that rule?

    I guess they should merge their religion interpretation into the fundamentalists. We could even make a TV series from it.

  14. Re:I have problems with this by garethwi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't perceive the multiverse.

    Don't worry, there's a universe where you can.

  15. Re:I have problems with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The Darwin Awards are down the cliff

    FTFY

  16. Re:I have problems with this by chrb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Creationists always try to use the second law,
    to disprove evolution, but their theory has a flaw.
    The second law is quite precise about where it applies,
    only in a closed system must the entropy count rise.
    The earth's not a closed system' it's powered by the sun,
    so fuck the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun!

  17. Re:I have problems with this by Khashishi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually there's nothing random given the multiverse religion.

    There. Fixed that for you.

  18. Re:I have problems with this by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had a similar problem with a quantum carpenter. I asked him how much it would cost to redesign my kitchen and he could only provide an estimate.