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Adobe Warns of Critical Zero Day Vulnerability

wiredmikey writes "Adobe issued an advisory today on a zero-day vulnerability (CVE-2011-2462) that has come under attack in the wild. According to Adobe, the issue is a U3D memory corruption vulnerability that can be exploited to cause a crash and permit an attacker to hijack a system. So far, there are reports the vulnerability is being exploited in limited, targeted attacks against Adobe Reader 9.x on Windows. However, the bug also affects Adobe Reader and Acrobat 9.4.6 and earlier 9.x versions for UNIX and Macintosh computers, as well as Adobe Reader X (10.1.1) and Acrobat X (10.1.1) and earlier 10.x versions on Windows and Mac. Patches for Windows and Mac users of Adobe Reader X and Acrobat X will come on the next quarterly update, scheduled for Jan. 10, 2012."

236 comments

  1. Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why on earth isn't "Adobe Reader X Protected Mode" the default?

  2. Oh adobe... by mirix · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can pretty well set your watch by adobe exploits. Get it together, guys...

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    1. Re:Oh adobe... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Is it a Slashdot article dupe or Deja VU?

      Oh, wait, Adobe actually warned us this time. Huh.

    2. Re:Oh adobe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      >You can pretty well set your watch by adobe exploits. Get it together, guys...,

      My watch doesn't display milliseconds.

    3. Re:Oh adobe... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can pretty well set your watch by adobe exploits. Get it together, guys...

      You actually have several options: If you want it to run fast, set by exploits. If you want it to run slow, set by fixes.

    4. Re:Oh adobe... by grcumb · · Score: 1

      You can pretty well set your watch by adobe exploits. Get it together, guys...

      You actually have several options: If you want it to run fast, set by exploits. If you want it to run slow, set by fixes.

      Yep. I believe the Mayan calendar cycle is based on Adobe patches....

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    5. Re:Oh adobe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That can't be.

      Do you really expect Adobe to start writing good software on December 21, 2012?

  3. Release dates?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jan 10??? They're leaving exploits that can allow intruders to hijack computers unpatched for over a month?

    Am I missing something?

    1. Re:Release dates?? by Calos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes.

      The attack can be stopped using their Protected Mode. Versions that ship with the protected mode will not be addressed to specifically mitigate this attack until later, with Adobe recommending everyone turn on protected mode to protect them in the mean time.

      Whether or not that's a reasonable reaction is a whole different question.

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    2. Re:Release dates?? by inviolet · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      The attack can be stopped using their Protected Mode. Versions that ship with the protected mode will not be addressed to specifically mitigate this attack until later, with Adobe recommending everyone turn on protected mode to protect them in the mean time.

      Whether or not that's a reasonable reaction is a whole different question.

      Meh. Just switch to a security-conscious web browser like Opera. It lets me browse with plugins (acrobat, flash, java, etc.) disabled, cookies disabled, javascript disabled, and send-referrer disabled. I enable them on a site-by-site basis. Opera handles it natively and beautifully.

      You people still using 20th-century web browsers are in serious peril.

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  4. Patched when? by binaryhat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jan. 10, 2012? Why not immediately? Do Adobe coders suck that bad... Honestly I think when a major vulnerability is found, companies should fix it immediately or face penalties.

    1. Re:Patched when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The good ones probably left the company long time ago.

    2. Re:Patched when? by DERoss · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you follow the "exploited to cause a crash ..." link in the initial Slashdot item, you will see that a fix to Acrobat Reader 9 will be available by this coming Monday. You will also see that, unless you disable Protected View in Acrobat Reader 10, you are not vulnerable and thus can wait a month.

    3. Re:Patched when? by syousef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Jan. 10, 2012? Why not immediately? Do Adobe coders suck that bad...

      Honestly I think when a major vulnerability is found, companies should fix it immediately or face penalties.

      You naive sod. You think the DEVELOPERS determine the release schedule? For all you know there are developers there with a fix ready and tested that are agitating and itching for it to go out.

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    4. Re:Patched when? by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Actually, Adobe Reader X is vulnerable, but Protected View isolates exploit code.

    5. Re:Patched when? by sincewhen · · Score: 1

      Clearly they are too busy coding up new vulnerabilities to have the time for fixes...

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    6. Re:Patched when? by Shifty0x88 · · Score: 1

      Clearly they are too busy coding up new vulnerabilities to have the time for fixes...

      HAHAHAHA, I wouldn't be surprised, they would have the latest zero-days (presumably because they put them there), would know all the ones Adobe does know about, and those they don't, and why would they want to fix them until the new year, their old zero-days are still working!

      Oh and I love your sig!!!!!! It's one of those that you are like: Nooo.... well...... mayb.... no couldn't be.... or could it....

    7. Re:Patched when? by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      unless you disable Protected View in Acrobat Reader 10

      You're saying that as if it's enabled by default. It isn't, as far as I know.

    8. Re:Patched when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so an unpatched escalation vulnerability which breaks the sandbox would be quite valuable now, then?

  5. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good I stopped using that blob...

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  6. Shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm socked, shocked I say.

  7. A lack of diversity... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...leads to increased vulnerability, whether in biology or in software.

    Although there are alternatives to Adobe Reader, none of them is good enough to gain significant market share. And Adobe does everything it can to make competing with it more difficult. So a key piece of software used by a large majority of computer users is bloated beyond belief and so riddled with vulnerabilities that it seems there's a new every day. It sucks, but it's hardly surprising.

    On the web, as in politics, we get what we deserve - or, in this case, we get what other web users deserve, because they vastly outnumber us.

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    1. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not good enough alternatives? FoxIT reader is better imho. Heck, the Ubuntu default document viewer works fine for me. It's a shame that "adobe" has become synonymous with "pdf".

    2. Re:A lack of diversity... by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 0

      That's actually a complicated problem because different groups "argue" over the inefficiency of diversity, often called incompatibility.

      Echoing a poster above, Jan 12? Really? 40 days (ish) is good enough for a fix?

      That's just corporate laziness.

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    3. Re:A lack of diversity... by enoz · · Score: 5, Informative

      I recall the Adobe loading screens on older Acrobat versions. One time while waiting for Acrobat to load its bloated carcass into memory I actually paid attention to the loading messages and noticed "movie.api" among others being loaded. That was the nail in the coffin.

      While switching to non-Adobe PDF software may not be in the power of everyone, you can blacklist the Adobe PDF plugin from running in your web-browser. Apart from improving your internet experience it may also help prevent some drive-by PDF exploits.

    4. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I just use the default PDF things that come with Debian Squeeze and OpenOffice. I can read and print anything to PDF (and I can even create PDFs in my PHP code). If you want all the bloat that comes with Adobe software, then yeah there are no alternatives. If you just want to read/write basic PDF documents, then there are enough if you know where to look.

      Without a significant official repository of FOSS and non-free packages that can be browsed with something like Synaptic for Debian, Windows users in particular are left to their own devices as far as finding alternatives.

      No matter what troubles I have with Linux, it is the security of Synaptic coupled with 29-odd thousand packages at my fingertips that keeps me away from Windows on my home computers. Some people complain that they can't do everything on Linux that they can do with Windows, but apart from specific games (I love StarCraft) I haven't yet come across many killer-apps that are limited to Windows. 3D CAD maybe (I use Autocrap Inventor at work).

      Its unfortunate that to some people market share is all that matters, which means they will always be blinded to what is free. I pity these poor fools.

    5. Re:A lack of diversity... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2

      Some people complain that they can't do everything on Linux that they can do with Windows, but apart from specific games (I love StarCraft)...

      FYI, both SC1 and SC2 run flawlessly in Wine, I've been playing^Wtesting both for years.

    6. Re:A lack of diversity... by mirix · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Evince (gtk) and Okular (ex-kpdf, iirc, Qt) both seem pretty usable to me.

      At work, I'm stuck with windows, and the Evince win32 port seems to work quite well there too. Only issue I ran into was that be default it tried to print things in landscape mode or something like that, and I didn't notice.
      A nice feature is that it does djvu and postscript as well, instead of having multiple readers (although I seem to think ps might not work with windows in default, probably relies on ghostscript or so..?).

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    7. Re:A lack of diversity... by Tomato42 · · Score: 0

      Exactly, both Gnome and KDE environments have very good PDF readers built in, OSX is exactly the same if not better. The only OS that's behind is Windows. But then if the PDF viewer was programmed by MS it wouldn't change a thing from security perspective...

    8. Re:A lack of diversity... by __aawmso8327 · · Score: 1

      Although there are alternatives to Adobe Reader, none of them is good enough to gain significant market share.

      I think Apple's Preview app is doing pretty well. Who installs Adobe Reader on a Mac?

    9. Re:A lack of diversity... by labnet · · Score: 1

      Another vote for Foxit
      I remove adobe PDF from any systems I administer and install Foxit

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    10. Re:A lack of diversity... by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly, both Gnome and KDE environments have very good PDF readers built in, OSX is exactly the same if not better. The only OS that's behind is Windows. But then if the PDF viewer was programmed by MS it wouldn't change a thing from security perspective...

      If you look under the hood, Linux has the same lack of diversity in PDF viewers that Windows does: almost everything is just a frontend for the Poppler library. If a security hole is found in eg. kpdf, it's a good bet that the hole is also present in epdfview or xpdf.

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    11. Re:A lack of diversity... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although there are alternatives to Adobe Reader, none of them is good enough to gain significant market share.

      Are you kidding me? Acrobat is such a steaming pile of crap that it has bred a completely misplaced hatred of PDF in most Windows users. Ever seen a Slashdot summary with a "(warning, PDF)" note after a link? Only Acrobat can manage to bog down a brand new system opening a 1 page PDF, every other PDF reader in the world will open it instantaneously.

      If anything, Acrobat has single handedly painted PDF into the very niche corner that it's in now. PDF is a good format hobbled by a hopelessly lousy reference implementation.

    12. Re:A lack of diversity... by yuhong · · Score: 2

      They improved it in Adobe Reader X by among other things finally showing a progress bar.

    13. Re:A lack of diversity... by jezwel · · Score: 2
      I've requested a review of Adobe Reader/Acrobat by a number of groups in our organisation, as there are continuing issues with security, incompatibility with PDFs created with other products, plus the licence management if you don't have an Adobe enterprise agreement is a massive PITA.

      I'm hoping they choose an alternative product, cause I have a large number of Acrobat purchases to make if not :|

    14. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what you need it for, but I use sumantra (sumatra?) pdf for windows and it does everything just fine. And at like 2.something megs, compared to whatever Adobe PDF reader is up to now :)

      So yes ther are alternatives that work well enough on mac, unix, AND windows.

    15. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foxit works pretty well for me

    16. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I installed evince (the Gnome PDF viewer) on my mother's Windows 7 machine so she wouldn't have to worry about Adobe Reader updates.

    17. Re:A lack of diversity... by sdnoob · · Score: 2

      foxit is a little safer, imho, for windows, but doesn't support everything adobe reader does. not that 99% of the people need those extras, though...

      we have run across a few instances where adobe reader (even latest version at the time) would have problems opening up certain files (electronic bank statements were the biggest problem here.. ever since the bank talked dad into going with online-only statements, he'd have problems every month).. while any version of foxit we tried opened them up just fine.

      however, foxit is also getting bigger and bigger. the installer for the current version is 8x larger than it was 4 1/2 years ago (the version i use on our winxp system), and 5 1/2 years ago the exe needed to run it would fit on a floppy disk. and i dont think the feature set has added that much to justify the differences. lightweight it may be still -- compared to adobe reader.. but not compared to itself.

    18. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly, both Gnome and KDE environments have very good PDF readers built in, OSX is exactly the same if not better. The only OS that's behind is Windows. But then if the PDF viewer was programmed by MS it wouldn't change a thing from security perspective...

      If you look under the hood, Linux has the same lack of diversity in PDF viewers that Windows does: almost everything is just a frontend for the Poppler library. If a security hole is found in eg. kpdf, it's a good bet that the hole is also present in epdfview or xpdf.

      Incorrect. Mupdf and the readers which use it as backend are not. mupdf is much faster than poppler and light years ahead of adobe reader in terms of speed.

    19. Re:A lack of diversity... by stormeru · · Score: 1

      'KPDF is not developed anymore, if you want to develop new features you should have a look at Okular, that is the succesor of KPDF in KDE 4.'

      Unashamedly quoted from KDE website while trying to find the source code for the goddamn thing, how long does it take to fix a zero day exploit for an open-source project?

    20. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lipstick on a pig does not an angel make. And a progress bar? Really? How about not needing any progress bars? That, I would call an improvement.

    21. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a paralegal I pull documents from alacourt.gov several times a day. All of these PDFs are standards-complaint. Yet, every reader based on libpopler asks me for a password when opening the files. On files with no password. That are PDF, not adobe, but actual PDF specification compliant. These files work in Acrobat, Foxit, and even Okular, but I want to use GNOME and hate loading all the QT libs (or for that matter, the mismatching themes) just to load PDF files.

      So yes, agreed, Linux has a marked lack of genuine PDF readers. Okular and Xpdf are the only 2 that can open the files at all (the only 2 not based on libpoppler), and they don't skin with GTK, so they're ugly. Xpdf also re-renders slow when you scroll.

      Yet another reason I run Windows with VMWare and Unity (the VMWare feature, not Ubuntu). Use a linux browser in a Linux VM on a windows host. Best of both worlds but the resource cost is indeed insane just for a secure web browser.

      Of course, simply not opening PDF files that you don't aleady know are safe is still the best bet. User education always works best.

    22. Re:A lack of diversity... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Dunno if it still exists but there used to be a tool which would handle disabling the parts of Acrobat Reader you're not using.

      I don't get why anybody is using Reader, though; I can understand using Acrobat, but not Reader.

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    23. Re:A lack of diversity... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      And these libraries in turn uses other libraries which can have bugs too. For example, JailbreakMe used a PDF with an embedded font exploiting a vulnerability in FreeType.

    24. Re:A lack of diversity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it wouldn't take long for a fix to get out.

  8. Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're wondering "How can this happen?", all you need to do is look at the credits of Acrobat Reader. Notice that many of the names are quite clearly Indian. Then it all makes sense.

    1. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because anytime you single out a creed, religion, race, or other general status, anyone belonging to said group interprets it as a personal attack and employs all possible methods to censor the shit out of said perceived attacker. It's like a biological kill-switch.

    2. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why is the parent modded flamebait? S/he's telling the truth. We just discussed this very issue: Does Outsourcing Programming Really Save Money?.

      Somebody please mod the parent up. Sometimes the truth isn't pretty, but it's still the truth. I don't care if feelings get hurt by it. It's still the truth.

    3. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by larry+bagina · · Score: 2
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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    4. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0

      Look at all those guilty Caucasian people shuffling nervously in the crowd after reading your comment.

      It's like they all want to mod you up, but none of them have the balls to be the first one to do it. That's America's IT workers in a nutshell...

    5. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hipp5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because there is an assumption implicit in his post that that Indian names = outsourced, two-bit programmers in an Indian code sweatshop. The statement that names in the credits are Indian is indeed true. The broad assumption that follows is wild conjecturing with weak evidence and is thus deserving of a down mod.

    6. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the self-reply. If I'm going to post on a geek site it should say "...Indian names == outsourced, two..."

    7. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by MechaStreisand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's more likely, a large number of Indian names referring to Adobe's US center which is largely Indian-Americans for no reason, or a large number of Indian names referring to Indians, in India? Furthermore, what is the primary reason American companies hire Indian programmers in India? Quality? Or is there some other reason, perhaps relating to their cost?

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    8. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by human+spam+filter · · Score: 3, Informative

      I tried, but adobe reader crashed when I clicked on "credits". (No joke, 9.4.2 on amd64 Linux)

    9. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The term you're looking for is "fact", not "assumption".

      The industry as a whole has now had 10 to 15 years of experience with Indian software developers. That's actually quite a long time, given the relatively young age of the industry. Yet for every successful project we hear about, there are literally tens of thousands of horror stories. That's clearly not a balanced ratio.

      There comes a point when repeated and consistent observations must be accepted as the truth, even if this may be a painful truth to accept. Reoccurring trends start to indicate the norm. In this case, the norm is that Indian-developed software is very typically of an inferior quality, riddled with bug and security flaws.

      You talk about "wild conjecture" and "weak evidence", but every observation and every shred of experience we have show quite the opposite. There's a reason why Indian developers as a whole have a bad reputation; it's because they have fucked up software projects again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

    10. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by pclminion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been to Adobe's campus in San Jose and seen the place. There are many, many Indian engineers there, as is common throughout Silicon Valley. Ignorant fuck.

    11. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Nobody is saying the Indians are shit, they are saying that companies that take the lowest priced shit get shit for their money and when we see Indian coders that is EXACTLY what we are seeing, why try to hide it? Good Indian coders cost good money, same as good coders anywhere. These companies don't go to India because they want to hire top notch Indians at a decent wage, these corps want as close to sweatshop as they can possibly get. you know this, i know this, hell didn't anybody watch "How NOT to hire an American"? These corps don't give a shit about quality, its all about cost. This is why our landfills are overflowing with cheap plastic garbage and people are being poisoned in China melting circuit boards for the metals, cheap ass bottom of the line shit. this is just cheap ass bottom of the line software instead of hardware and India is where you go to get a programmer for a price lower than dinner at Mickey D.

      As for TFA this is why i'm so glad i haven't included Adobe Reader on a build of mine since Adobe 6. There are several excellent alternative readers like foxit and sumatra and foxit comes with safe reading on by default, so why would you want the risk that Reader causes? With Flash sandboxed in low rights mode and no reader i don't have to worry about Adobe bugs, which is nice. You'd have to be nuts to want Reader unless you simply have no other choice.

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    12. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by KhabaLox · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work for a media company in Los Angeles, and just about all of the developers in our Burbank office working on our flagship media management software are Indian. Our facility in Bangalore is where we send the actual media work if we can (transcoding, editing, etc.). But I think most of the software development stays in the States, but is done by Indians (with a few Chinese and other Asians).

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    13. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd have to be nuts to want Reader unless you simply have no other choice.

      Acrobat 10. Production environment. Multiple servers for remote desktop sessions. Have to have it. Receive secure documents all the time for markup and endorsements and Foxit can't even open it. Let's not even talk about 3rd party PDF support for electronic signatures from capture pads.

      The NERVE of those fuckers to announce a zero-day exploit in the wild with an expected fix date in a quarterly update.

      What the fuck are they smoking? It's the 6th of December you sadistic moronic fucktards. This is the dark side of vendor lock-in. Till that update I have to wonder about the thousands of PDF documents flowing through into the system and from emails. Believe me, there are some workers that will open anything in an email. So it is a real risk already.

      Not that I don't normally, but there is a big difference between a possible threat and a known one.

      It's just amazing for them to announce that with all the business customers they have. The unmitigated gall of those bastards.

    14. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by shuttah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree 110%.

      It's a blatant and inexcusable display of negligence on Adobe's part to schedule an update over a month after telling us that a REMOTE EXECUTION EXPLOIT is confirmed, and is being exploited in the wild. Again, with confirmation. To add to that, this isn't even something where you can advise everyone to turn off javascript and pray everyone follows your instructions while keeping an eye on traffic. It's nothing short of nightmare to be honest. The fact that this software is installed on everything from a consumer's new laptop or desktop, to a hell of a lot of government agencies doesn't sit well with me either.

    15. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hours spent fixing your network don't cost them a dime. A rapid response core of programmers that ensure compatibility and fix bugs do.

      Will html5 fix this?

    16. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know plenty of Indian programmers who got their H1B visas, live in America, and write shitty code. They are valued because they can churn out products quickly, but for a very costly maintenance value. YMMV - there are plenty of developers of all races that write shitty code.

    17. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol at you for not getting off adobe.

    18. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm going to agree mostly, but differentiate a little. I have actually worked with a couple of very talented Indian software engineers - more talented and experienced than myself, sometimes. They weren't working for an outsourcing company, though; they were full-time hires. Good Indian software engineers have a tendency to go the same places good American software engineers do: companies that value their talent and who are willing to pay for it. They just have a marginally harder time doing it due to US immigration law. (Myself, I'd rather have them fully naturalized as soon as reasonable - I can compete with them better when their wages haven't artificially depressed by the monopsonistic exploitation of their labor associated with the immigration game).

      Anyway. It's already a lot easier to find a lousy software developer than to find a good one here in the US. Outsourcing to India as part of a management-driven process? Yeah, I'm going to laugh at the quality of the results in advance, please. As for Adobe employees working on Acrobat... let's just say their product doesn't do too much to promote the idea that they're competent.

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    19. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1. this exactly.

    20. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by jroysdon · · Score: 1

      "[T]he company noted that Adobe Reader X Protected Mode and Acrobat X Protected View offer some mitigation against the exploit."

      I'm guessing that while the bug exists in X, it is not exploitable, or at least there is no code in the wild that is able to exploit it.

    21. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Ohhh yaaaa, get ready for those Fake AVs to pop-up warning users of an infection. Fun times ahead! In all seriousness though, I do feel your pain. Trust me. I too have to deal with similar setups that involve viewing invoices inside of IE. Don't ask, it's all part of the customers CRM package provided by Netsuite.

      Perhaps you already know what I'm about to say, but for those that don't I'll offer some advice anyways. There are some simple steps you can do to at least minimize the threat. All of which require some spending if you wish to do it right. First, get a firewall (such as a SonicWALL for example) that will provide content filtering and anti-virus protection though the TCP/IP stack. Alternatively, you can use OpenDNS to block highjacked DNS entries that are known for redirecting you to a source of malware. Second, filter your e-mail through a 3rd party vendor. I've had pretty good luck with Microsoft Forefront Online Protection for Exchange. Also restrict in-bound SMTP traffic to only the IP ranges of your filtering vendor.

      Provided you've implemented the following above, you would have cut down on at least 90% of your sources of known malware. For the remaining 10%, employee education through orientation, GPOs, local Anti-Virus, and restricting the users to non-administrative access to a computer will minimize impact if not prevent an infection all together. In several offices that I manage for my clients whom have an employee count of 60+, I haven't seen a virus infection in over a year. And they sling e-mails back and forth in copious amounts. Though I do have a few cheap clients that get infected at least once every month. Being pro-active and keeping employees educated provides a night and day difference in security.

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    22. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      Indian names = outsourced, two-bit programmers in an Indian code sweatshop.

      As un-PC as it might be to say this, there's some truth in it. Many people have been burned at one time or another by cheap software, especially from Indian outsourcing shops, so like it or not the meme has currency.

    23. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have to worry about thousands of pdf documents all the time? I mean in Adobe land, every day is a 0 day.

    24. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I feel your pain my brother, and that is one of the reasons i got out of corporate. Sure i don't make as much but i don't look like a walking corpse anymore and the constant headaches went away.

      But your post just proves my point friend, all that shit you listed? SHOULD NOT BE IN PDF. The PDF file was a portable document for PRINTING, that was what it was designed for, that was its purpose. To upsell your employers they constantly tack on extra bullshit that gives it all these features the format was never designed to handle so guess what gets exploited? All the shitty Indian sweatshop coded "features' they use to force guys like you to buy the latest and greatest because the people you have to deal with have the latest and greatest. ya know i think MSFT is a stupid fucking company but I DO have to give credit where credit is due and the fact that I can open Office 2K10 files in Office 2K means I don't have to deal with the extra shit if i don't want to.

      As for them releasing info on an exploit they have NO intention to fix for nearly a quarter why the fuck not? Where you gonna go? you said it yourself you " Have to have it" and that is why frankly they don't care. they know by adding all this proprietary bullshit that Foxit and the rest probably can't even attempt without being sued into oblivion means their corporate customers aren't going anywhere.

      Until the corps get tired of the bullshit and switch to something else there simply is no reason for Adobe to care. How many years have Adobe reader exploits been a running joke? yet they still have corporate by the balls and they know it.

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    25. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Because it's a racist comment and implies that Indians are incapable as a people of writing secure programs whereas there is no shortage of programs out there that have bugs that have nothing to do with Indian developers.

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    26. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by jbov · · Score: 1

      Nah, you could get away with the first one. I don't know how many times I've gotten syntax errors in MySQL for using ==. Force of habit.

    27. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Your best strategy overall is to educate your people not to open anything they're not sure of the source of. Doesn't fix this specific announced vuln but is effective against zero day trojan vulns in general, particularly ones that haven't been announced, rather than this one in particular. Also doesn't help if the source of a legitimate file is compromised of course but that applies to everything up to and including OS updates.

      Anyone know of a product to generate fake emails with files that report back to your own server just to see which employees open 'anything'?

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    28. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fix for AR 9 will be ready on Monday. There is a workaround for AR 10: don't disable protected mode.
      Since the flaw is already exploited in the wild, Adobe has a duty to inform its customers of the existence of the problem anyway, regardless of the existence of a fix. There is actually a good argument to be made that every flaw should be reported to customers immediately, because if you can find it, blackhats will be able to find it too, and some might have found it already, or will soon, without you knowing about it.

    29. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hipp5 · · Score: 0

      I am aware of that possibility. However, the fact that this has happened in the past only allows a rational, logical person to conclude "in the past I (or others I know) have been burned by cheap Indian outsourcing, I should investigate to see if that is the case with Adobe." It may very well be the case, or it may be as others have mentioned here where many of the staff in American offices are Indian. After all, there was a lot of mention in the other news stories about Indian outsourcing how the good programmers there move on to better jobs. Who's to say it's not a move to work in American offices?

      To make a conjecture that the problem with Adobe's software is Indian programmers without during further research is lazy, assumptive, and borderline racist. It's just as wrong to conclude, "I've heard about bad Indian programmers, ergo Indian programmers are bad" just as much as it's wrong to conclude, "the man who mugged me was black, ergo blacks are muggers."

    30. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've not met the Acrobat team (as far as I know) but I did have a chance to talk to the dev team for Adobe Framemaker a few years ago. They were all from India, none had worked with the code prior to a few months before, many did not even know what the features of the product were and some features I asked about, none of the developers even knew about. Aside from that their English language skills were very poor.

      Perhaps this is not the case with the Acrobat project, but it certainly left me looking at the up and coming competitor (which was gaining market share and was likely the reason Adobe put anyone back on development of Framemaker).

    31. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      While i agree with your statements, it's not "indian" developers who are necessarily at fault...

      The real fault lies with the upper management that not only doesn't understand software development, but then attempts to outsource it to the lowest bidder and then due to their lack of understanding on the subject are unable to keep the outsourced developers in check or even identify the poor quality of their work.

      There are plenty of highly skilled indian developers, but the good ones are rarely very cheap. There are also lousy developers in western countries, but these generally arent very cheap either due to basic cost of living... The main reason indian developers are chosen instead of similarly cheap developers from places like china is because they generally have a much better grasp of english (albeit with an accent).

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    32. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      PDF is not the problem. PDF is a great format and massively preferable to sending msoffice files around..

      Acrobat is the problem, it is a lousy bloated pdf reader, and the fact it is installed almost everywhere makes it an extremely tempting target for hackers...
      Acrobat today is like IE6 was a few years ago, and the same thing needs to happen. Namely that enough people ditch acrobat to use alternative pdf readers that acrobat becomes a small enough minority that it is no longer such an attractive target.

      Using msoffice files is a ridiculous idea, these formats are even more complex than pdf while also lacking proper documentation... There have been many exploits against msoffice although most target corporate users as unlike acrobat, msoffice stands a good chance of not being installed on a typical home user machine primarily because its very expensive.
      Also because of the lacking format documentation, it is much harder to filter files on a gateway device than it is with pdf.

      Until the corps get tired of the bullshit and switch to something else there simply is no reason for Adobe to care. How many years have Adobe reader exploits been a running joke? yet they still have corporate by the balls and they know it.

      Same applies to MS, Oracle, Cisco, etc... pretty much any major vendor takes this attitude and it's why lock-in and monocultures need to be done away with.

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    33. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      Multiple servers for remote desktop sessions. Have to have it. Receive secure documents all the time for markup and endorsements and Foxit can't even open it. Let's not even talk about 3rd party PDF support for electronic signatures from capture pads.

      99% of users don't need any of that crap.

      And let's face it, if Adobe had never incorporated these "features" into Acrobat in the first place, you wouldn't really be missing them either.

    34. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      I wasn't talking about MS Office files, I was talking backwards compatibility. And nobody is saying PDF isn't a great format, its just Adobe has butchered the format by tacking on more and more bullshit like security features and crap that frankly should have NEVER been in the format. There are plenty of ways to securely encrypt and send a file that don't involve trying to shoehorn it into a format never designed for security.

      But I think TFA proves my point, we get these Adobe attacks...what? a couple of times a month at least? and what is ALWAYS being attacked? the extra shit they bolted on so they can upsell Acrobat. I still say it would be better if Acrobat went SaaS or a yearly model like AV, then they wouldn't have to keep bolting crap onto PDF files just to sell new copies of Acrobat.

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    35. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Receive secure documents all the time for markup and endorsements and Foxit can't even open it. Let's not even talk about 3rd party PDF support for electronic signatures from capture pads.

      Why don't you get your company to fund the work to make Okular good enough for your purposes? After an incident like this, you simply can't trust Adobe to own your workflow any longer.

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    36. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      It's not that simple.

      Funding Okular will not help 3rd party vendors for signature capture devices start supporting Okular for their own hardware. I need to convince them to start supporting more than Acrobat/MS Office.

      Now let's say Foxit was supported and I could capture a signature from a pad. I would still have issues with other companies that deliver secure PDF documents that only work in Acrobat.

      It's a two part problem involving a minimum of three companies, not including my own.

      The first problem we are trying to solve is the Acrobat security problem. That does not always work reliably either and we face issues where markups on the documents need to occur and cannot, signing excluded.

      We literally have to print the document out, sign it and fill in fields, and scan it back it in. That's expensive and stupid. Thankfully, that only happens with a few companies sending us secure documents and we are working with them to scale back the security since it is hurting more than helping.

      There are some 3rd party signing services out there, but that adds a layer of expense that is only required because everybody can't get their crap together. It's not that much cheaper than printing it out, getting the signatures, and scanning it back in. Not every service even makes sense since some use emails going back and forth and is not suitable for point of sale or field work.

      It's ugly vendor lock-in from multiple angles and since nobody sees a way out of the gridlock, and nobody is trying, except me apparently.

      For the immediate future I am locked into Adobe. Hence, why I am so pissed about the security and their nonchalant attitude about a remote code execution flaw.

      It's not like there are not plenty of people out there attacking corporations all the time by sending PDF documents hoping to get some sucker to open it.

      If I had a nickel for every DHL executable I have rejected from our mail servers I would be rich.

    37. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      With respect, you are not listening.

      We are the 1%. It's called vendor lock-in. My users need that crap.

      It's easy to say that I don't need it. Personally, I could live forever without MS and Adobe. I spend some of my day blissfully running around headless CentOS servers.

      You really need to look up the definition of vendor lock-in. It literally means that I don't have a choice. If I did, I would have already made it. However, for many reasons I still need to run Windows Server 2008 and Adobe Acrobat to be able to get the work done because of other companies.

      It sucks.

    38. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Funding Okular will not help 3rd party vendors for signature capture devices start supporting Okular for their own hardware. I need to convince them to start supporting more than Acrobat/MS Office.

      Oh, so there's not a driver to interface with? I suppose if this was on linux you could fund a driver writer too, but that's not the Windows culture. This is what got RMS all worked up all those years ago...

      You're using the PDF-standard embedded signatures, right?

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    39. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by vistic · · Score: 1

      If you're wondering "How can this happen?", all you need to do is look at the credits of Acrobat Reader. Notice that many of the names are quite clearly Indian. Then it all makes sense.

      What an ignorant d-bag you are.

      I've worked in companies (in the USA and Canada) where my team was primarily Indian/Chinese/Brazilian/Russian/etc. Some are here on visa, some are now citizens. You can't assume, especially in software engineering, that foreign names equals outsourcing. Some of these people are even second or third generation citizens.

      The hiring process is a key determining factor in the quality of the employee you have at the company. And presumably, if they are bad at their job, with good management, they won't be working there for long, regardless of where they came from.

      I've certainly seen variance among co-workers in the quality of their work, but that has never correlated with their race or ethnicity. If you see that, then you're probably blinded by your own prejudices. Take some time to sort out these issues you have.

    40. Re:Look at the credits for Adobe Reader. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      PDF files are backwards compatible too, if you don't use any of the new cruft then the resulting files will open in positively ancient pdf viewers without problems...

      Attacks against acrobat are not always against the new cruft, there is plenty of scope for bugs to exist in the basic parsing features that even the most basic of pdf viewers would require...

      The problem is the monoculture, the fact that such a large proportion of potential targets are running the exact same software meaning that the return on investment for finding a hole in acrobat is much higher than finding a hole in a web browser which will cover at maximum around 40% of potential targets.
      If acrobat only had 40% of the market, and there were several other popular pdf viewers it would be a far less attractive target and users would be aware that acrobat isn't the only option so they could more easily move to something else.

      Also they need to keep bolting new crap on to keep selling, otherwise someone else will come along with an equivalent product thats cheaper or free and eventually force them out of the market. Pretty much all commercial software follows either this model, or locking people in (or both)... Otherwise it would simply be impossible to sustain a market where its possible for someone else to give the product away for free.

      What they really need to do, is give up trying to sell software and concentrate on providing support services for business users, as most businesses would rather pay an ongoing fee to have someone they can call for help.. Not so much software as a service, so much as services for software.

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  9. FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the Wikipedia article on Universal 3D:

    The format is natively supported by the PDF format and 3D objects in U3D format can be inserted into PDF documents and interactively visualized by Acrobat Reader (since version 7).

    and

    There are four editions to date.

    The first edition is supported by many/all of the various applications mentioned below. It is capable of storing vertex based geometry, color, textures, lighting, bones, and transform based animation.

    The second and third editions correct some errata in the first edition, and the third edition also adds the concept of vendor specified blocks. One such block widely deployed is the RHAdobeMesh block, which provides a more compressed alternative to the mesh blocks defined in the first edition. Deep Exploration and PDF3D-SDK can author this data, and Adobe Acrobat and Reader 8.1 can read this data.

    The fourth edition provides definitions for higher order primitives - curved surfaces.

    I'm guessing it's the vendor specified blocks from the 3rd edition that are causing the problem.

    1. Re:FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by Mojo66 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we need support for 3D files, embedded file attachments, JavaScript and all that crap in a file format that was originally intended to print documents? I'm glad that there are alternativs to Adobe Reader that just support the old idea of a printable document file format and nothing more, for example Preview on OS X, for other OS see this list. The crazy thing is that Adobe Reader is promoted by a lot of companies that use PDFs to send out bills electronically, i.e. to open the attachment, you need to download Acrobat Reader. Which is not only a wrong statement, but also a suggestion to install an application that has been plagued with security faults.

    2. Re:FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printable? It's portable document format. I think you're reading too much into the fact that it has postscript as its guts. To me its greatest use is for *replacing* printed documents with electronic ones. And while you're at it, you might as well take advantage of the new opportunities provided by a non-printable document.
      I'm actually finding the 3D files support really useful at work.

    3. Re:FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd suggest disabling advanced PDF features like this one by default, and allow it to be enabled by the user when necessary.

    4. Re:FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I recall javascript was originally included at the request of the IRS so they could have auto calculating tax forms. They of course never followed through with releasing auto calculating tax forms though.

    5. Re:FYI: U3D = Universal 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of postscript. The PDF format was always designed as a mechanism for vendor lock-in.

  10. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Calos · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my experience it can (or used to) break things when interacting with other programs.

    It broke my LaTeX editor. Couldn't compile a document and automatically have it open in Reader. After some fighting, I think I got it to open, but if you make some edits and recompile... it quickly errors out if you don't manually and completely exit out of Reader first. It's really annoying. Spent far too long reading up on how Reader is supposed to interact with other software and setting my editor to try different commands invoking Reader. No dice, and it looked like the documentation wasn't up to date for all the changes in X yet. But turn off protected mode, and it worked just fine.

    Granted, they might have fixed that in the mean time, I've not used it in a couple months, and don't even have Reader installed any more...

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  11. Too late by Natales · · Score: 4, Informative

    This type of vulnerability is serious enough that I find rather appalling that Adobe is pushing this to their regular "scheduled" quarterly update. If they are serious on being considered as a credible platform, they absolutely need to address these kind of issue with more sense of urgency.

    1. Re:Too late by yuhong · · Score: 1

      They are doing an out of cycle update, but only for Adobe Reader 9 for Windows because that is the version currently exploited.

  12. evince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    install it already

    1. Re:evince by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 1

      Windows port of Evince is somewhat lacking, especially given it's way of handling file associations and compressed comic book files.

      Frankly, if it came out of the box as a portable touch-nothing install and had cbz and cbr support, I'd probably use it and drop Foxit.

    2. Re:evince by mark-t · · Score: 1
      evince does not handle pdf layers

      Layers have been a standard part of the pdf spec for years, but the only pdf reader that supports them properly, to the best of my knowledge, is Acrobat.

    3. Re:evince by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      Evince isn't wonderful, even under Linux. When it opens a document it auto-sizes its window, (usually inappropriately), regardless of the window size it was last set to, which in my case is always 'maximized'. And it doesn't have tabs, (it seems that none of the Linux readers does), which is really a pain when you have 10 or more documents open at once, as I often do.

      I've tried all or almost all of the PDF readers available for Linux, and I have yet to find one that I'd even call OK, much less good. I don't like Foxit as a company, and their product has suffered from some bloat as well over the past few years. But honestly, Foxit Reader is one of the things I miss about Windows, and I wish their Linux implementation wasn't a bad joke. If Foxit's Windows functionality was available for Linux, I'd use it and never look back. Heck, I'd even buy it - not very 'Linuxy' of me I know, but there you have it.

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    4. Re:evince by jcupitt65 · · Score: 1

      Evince on current Ubuntu remembers its window size, if that's any help.

  13. What a mess: No patch for 9 and no IFilter for X by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 1

    The summary makes no mention of a patch for Reader 9, but some of us have been stuck with Reader 9 because Reader X has no IFilter to allow PDF indexing by search tools (even worse, installing Reader X removes any older IFilter that you might already have). So we get to choose between having a security hole or an IFilter. Thanks, Adobe.

  14. Sandboxing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can this circumvent the PDF protected mode?

  15. Sumatra by HBI · · Score: 4, Informative

    It doesn't do everything Acrobat does, but it reads PDFs. Which is enough for me.

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    1. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Foxit Reader http://www.foxitsoftware.com/

    2. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Google Chrome

    3. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's The Only pdf viewer that will show two facing pages in the full screen view.

    4. Re:Sumatra by mapuche · · Score: 1

      Comparing Sumatra to Reader or Foxit. Sumatra does bad with some rendering, sometimes the output is very different.

    5. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or pdf.js

    6. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reads djvu, chm, cbr, cbz files as well. It is the best reader for Windoows.

    7. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      foxit is pumped with gallons of bloat these days.

    8. Re:Sumatra by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Foxit has jumped the proverbial shark. It's too full of bloat these days; the installer for version 5 is something like twice as big as the one for v4.

      Sumatra is the current favorite for not sucking, although I can't stand the color scheme.

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    9. Re:Sumatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my book "reads PDFs" is not just enough, but it is exactly what I want. Sumatra is among the first things I install in Windows (not that I do that too often anymore)

  16. Re:What a mess: No patch for 9 and no IFilter for by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 3, Informative

    OK, the summary omits it, but the article says "We are in the process of finalizing a fix for the issue and expect to make available an update for Adobe Reader 9.x and Acrobat 9.x for Windows no later than the week of December 12, 2011" so Reader 9 will be fixed after all.

  17. Update .... Carefully by EnempE · · Score: 1

    Adobe have to be very careful about even recommending that you update these days, as that can lead to problems if not handled correctly.
    Adobe is forced to officially advise the need to update, at the same time as spam containing malware laden upgrades are released. Naked Security article about malware spam
    They might get a greater hit rate by using the Zero Day to create FUD that increases the number of clicks on the email rather than pushing an exploit on the Zero Day directly.

    1. Re:Update .... Carefully by EnempE · · Score: 1

      By "they" I meant the Malware writers and general evil types, not Adobe. I know how grey all of this can seem though.

    2. Re:Update .... Carefully by geekmux · · Score: 1

      By "they" I meant the Malware writers and general evil types, not Adobe. I know how grey all of this can seem though.

      Speaking of grey...

      (cue fall guy wearing Adobe employee badge getting arrested on the evening news on suspicion of writing malicious code...)

      "I swear! They told me to write it! I swear they did! Didn't you guys get the memo too?!? Why isn't anyone LISTENING TO ME??!!"

  18. I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2

    ... because Adobe broke the search feature in the versions after 9.4.0 (both 9.x and 10.x) If you search in a .PDF in the newer versions, it will fail to highlight at least some of the matches.

    This is a pretty huge deal and it would be astonishing if it were still broken. Does anybody know if they've fixed the bug?

    1. Re:I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... because Adobe broke the search feature in the versions after 9.4.0 (both 9.x and 10.x) If you search in a .PDF in the newer versions, it will fail to highlight at least some of the matches.

      This is a pretty huge deal and it would be astonishing if it were still broken. Does anybody know if they've fixed the bug?

      I thought that was just me not knowing how to use adobe. I use epdf on bsd all day, I have to search through service manuals quickly. The one day I had to do it on windows I was using adobe and had a really hard time because things weren't being highlighted.
      Maybe it wasn't me.

    2. Re:I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I frequently have problems searching pdf documents with Reader X. One of these particular documents is the doc set from Oracle's Glassfish 3.1 server. It fails completely to find any word I throw at it and "finds" the wrong words!

    3. Re:I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the search highlight problem was really annoying. It has been fixed in newer version of 9.4.x,

    4. Re:I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a bug, it's a perfectly intended feature.

    5. Re:I haven't updated Reader in several months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'll play the straight man here. "Really?"

  19. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

    I'm actually in the process of becoming Adobe free. No Reader, no Flash, and hopefully my system will run better.

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  20. Mac? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd be curious to know how many Mac users install Adobe Reader at all, since Preview does a very good job of basic PDF handling - and loads almost instantly, as opposed to Reader's geologic-era-scale load time.

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    1. Re:Mac? by Mojo66 · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't underestimate the userbase, because nowadays bills are often attached to an e-mail as PDF, and the mail reads something like to view the attached PDF file you have to install Adobe Reader. The mandatory sound made a not-so-computer-savvy friend of mine install AR on her Mac until I explained to her that Preview would work fine.

    2. Re:Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of Mac users are designers who may have the entire Adobe suite installed which includes Acrobat. It sucks but if you want to be a design pro you have to deal with Adobe shit, at least for 2d.

    3. Re:Mac? by ender- · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was forced to install it recently. Some PDFs from my state government required it. If I tried to open them in Preview, it complained that it needed a newer version of Acrobat Reader. So I installed it, printed what I needed, then removed it.

      A lot of less technical folks though would have just kept it. Assuming the figured out that they needed to install it in the first place.

    4. Re:Mac? by antdude · · Score: 1

      With my client's three years old MacBook Pro and Mac OS X 10.5.8, he needed it for some weird Adobe format (forgot which it is). It was like an interactive book/slideshow.

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    5. Re:Mac? by hawk · · Score: 1

      I don't have adobe reader, but acrobat pro 8; it came with my snapscan.

      It does a co hole of things that preview doesn't do or do well, including actually modifying documents (ok, it doesn't Dothan well,but preview doesn't do it at all, save for manipulating entire pages).

      It redacts (properly, now).

      It does better at n-up with small margins, but not as well as accorded Linux.

      It does o r.

      hawk

    6. Re:Mac? by hawk · · Score: 1

      a2ps ca do some a amazing stripping; I use it when a client can't handle a scanner well enough to strip permissions control that stops me from filing dockets.

      hawk

    7. Re:Mac? by he-sk · · Score: 1

      Installed it recently to read annotated PDFs I receive sometimes. I find that preview does a poor job displaying these annotations and won't even display some at all.

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    8. Re:Mac? by shitzu · · Score: 1

      Strange - i have not yet run into a mac user that doesn't clickclick it first. And lets not forget that Mail shows it inline if its single page. Also - for windows users - if you need it to just see bills etc, Chrome handles PDF viewing internally.

  21. January?? by mcavic · · Score: 1

    How about TOMORROW?

    Idiots.

  22. I think the time has come for "PDF Lite" by sootman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... or maybe just go back a few versions. No movies, no scripting, no interactivity other than hyperlinks and form elements, no live connection to the Web, no motion of any kind. Just vector shapes and a handful of well-known image formats. Please, just go back to what PDF was originally supposed to be: a virtual print that looked the same anywhere, including a small handful of well-known image formats. Oh, and make it "safe", which it never would have occurred to me to ask for in the past but I guess we need to specifically request that that these days. (Hi, GM, can you please make a car without an array of eight-inch spike in the middle of the steering wheel?) And, as long as I've got this crackpipe, I'll ask them to make the spec simple enough and open enough that anyone can make a program to generate them or read them.

    I don't know what features Adobe is packing into the spec these days but to the best of my knowledge there's nothing I do today that couldn't be handled by PDF 1.2 and Acrobat 3. The only problem is, when people make PDFs, they tick the little box that says "Require Acrobat _ or greater" and I always have to update.

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    1. Re:I think the time has come for "PDF Lite" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're talking about PDF-X.

  23. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by smpoole7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of our technical manuals come in PDF form now, but thank God for Okular. It has really, really improved. :)

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  24. Acrobat Reader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally prefer Foxit Reader

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  25. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Why on earth isn't "Adobe Reader X Protected Mode" the default?

    Wouldn't matter since Reader X crashes on every XP system I've tried it on. That leaves me with Reader 9, and I don't really care to hear any comments about why I shouldn't be on XP. It's not dead or out of support yet and I have my reasons to still be running it.

    My question is: after all of these years, why can't Adobe write a secure version of reader. I mean it's just one program to do basically one simple enough thing. Are they too busy on new development to actually fix their existing product?

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  26. Why even announce this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...if you're going to follow up your "zero" day announcement to the world with a statement that your "fix" for this is to release a patch that is scheduled for release in a month or so from now. What, is patching out of cycle for a zero-day vuln suddenly against someones religion or something? That's about the only excuse that would seem somewhat sane (if you call organized religion sane) here.

    If I were one of those paranoid type of guys, I would say that Adobe wrote this fucking thing themselves, and was paid to do it by all of the major computer hardware vendors in order to create a massive wave of "broken" computers just in time for holiday sales.

    (Cue massive attack in 3...2...)

    That could never happen, right?

    Right?

    Uh...right?

    1. Re:Why even announce this... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Already responded to:
      http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2561664&cid=38287162
      (Slashdot editors, can you edit the summary?)

  27. Good God by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a freakin' document reader. How did Adobe end up here? Not only is it such a bloated piece of crap it takes forever to open a document, but they seem to have one vulnerability after another. The functionality that they added for 0.0000001% of their customers isn't really worth the price they're paying.

    1. Re:Good God by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

      3 seconds to open a 46 page PDF in Adobe Reader 9 on my system. Actually on most computers I work with/on, the time to open an Adobe 9 PDF is quite quick. May be bloatware but I think the 3 second wait is rather reasonable. And if I can help others by letting them take over my system due to this exploit, well....forget that part.

    2. Re:Good God by tsotha · · Score: 1

      On my system it takes a good 10-15 seconds for the Acrobat Reader to display the document. There's some kind of module collection that juat takes forever to load.

      I doin't have a particularly slow system either - Word documents come up in a second or two.

    3. Re:Good God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 seconds to open a 46 page PDF in Adobe Reader 9 on my system. Actually on most computers I work with/on, the time to open an Adobe 9 PDF is quite quick. May be bloatware but I think the 3 second wait is rather reasonable. And if I can help others by letting them take over my system due to this exploit, well....forget that part.

      On my system, Photoshop or Illustrator open PDF's actually faster...

    4. Re:Good God by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      So, remove the QuickStarter and try again. You know, some of us don't have resources to waste.

    5. Re:Good God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What price are they paying? Either you are stuck with Adobe Reader because you are one of those 0.0000001% customers, or you don't know any better. In the first case you have no choice and the second case is most likely not informed about security problems.

      Either way Adobe doesn't give a crap.

  28. It seems like everyday is zero day for Adobe... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 2

    I guess all the good programmers left Adobe years ago.

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    1. Re:It seems like everyday is zero day for Adobe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. It could also be that the Adobe Reader code has grown so bloated that it compares with the size of MS Office or smaller operating systems, given that the damn thing has everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it. In those circumstances the code can become unmanageable even with good programmers.

      What they really need is good managers that would say "no" when someone suggested to add several kitchen sink's worth of bloat in there that hardly anyone uses or wants in a document viewer (Javascript, 3D support, etc.).

  29. You're Kidding, Right? by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    0-day that allows 1,000,000's of system to be rooted + No update for a month & 6 days when its scheduled update is ready = How Adobe Does Business while Its Flash platform is losing Adobe's grip on the internet.

  30. Be careful of "fixes" Adobe sends you by email. by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Informative

    I and a bunch of others received emails today claiming to be from Adobe (it wasn't, as mail headers showed) that included an attachment, an .exe in a zip file.

    Of course, you should never run attachments sent via email, even if the source appears trusted.

    1. Re:Be careful of "fixes" Adobe sends you by email. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so now the blackhats can send exe's in emails but when I want to send an app i've discussed to a relative the stupid fucking email co's including email.com and gmail say I can't send a fucking exe... WTF! My fucking email - my fucking choice, unbelievable that they would censor my emails in such a casual manner.

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    2. Re:Be careful of "fixes" Adobe sends you by email. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Your Account. Their Server. Their Choice.

      It's fun to think about ownership -- That's a term that means nothing to the rest of the Universe. The software companies have taken this to heart too.

      I suppose you thought people owned the proprietary software they purchased too?

      P.S. Just place the .EXE in a .ZIP. Practically all OSs come with decompression programs standard now.

    3. Re:Be careful of "fixes" Adobe sends you by email. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so now the blackhats can send exe's in emails

      They did it exactly as the other poster suggested -- by keeping the exe in a zip file.

    4. Re:Be careful of "fixes" Adobe sends you by email. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      gmail actually looks inside the archive... changing the extension worked though!

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  31. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey I don't have a problem with you being on XP friend, if it works why fix it? I have windows 7 on one machine and XP on another, why bother switching the older XP machine?

    My question would be why are you trying to run Adbobe reader at all when there is both Foxit and Sumatra on Ninite. Just check the box, click the download button and run it, that's it. then you can say goodbye to crappy Adobe Reader.

    As for why Adobe can't build a secure reader? you answered it yourself friend when you said you thought it was " one program to do basically one simple enough thing" when to try to sell copies of Acrobat Adobe has been piling shit into that program for years. That is why frankly for production software like Acrobat i really wish they'd go to a yearly license model like AV companies use. that way instead of being pressured to constantly add new shit to the program so they have an excuse to upsell you they could just focus on making it better and more secure and get paid without having to add crap.

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  32. FUUUU.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get swamped at work when these blunders become well known...

  33. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by capnkr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Blob" is very apt terminology, yet "(Unecessarily) Giant Blob" might be even more accurate. Not sure if these are exact numbers, but they are probably close. From Wikipedia, re: Sumatra PDF:

    It has a 4.4 MB setup file, compared to Adobe Reader's 40.5 MB, for Windows 7. Installed size is 8.4 MB, whereas Adobe Reader requires 335 MB of available disk space.

    Adobe PDF Reader - now with 10-40x the size of what's *really* needed! ***Bonus*** - Includes Critical 0 Day vulnerability, @ no extra charge!!!

    What more could you ask for?

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  34. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what else is new?

  35. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by yuhong · · Score: 2

    It is the default already (I checked using my copy of Adobe Reader X), which is part of why they are delaying the patch for this version until next month.

  36. Attack surface by WD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wrote it years ago, but it's still quite relevant:
    http://www.cert.org/blogs/certcc/2009/06/vulnerabilities_and_software_a.html

    Coding quality and exploit mitigations aside, there's something to be said for the size of the software that you're installing. The more code that's there, the more there is to attack. If you're using Reader, you might ask, why is there a 3D rendering engine in my PDF reader? Or maybe even do something about it.

    1. Re:Attack surface by stormeru · · Score: 0

      They are preparing the Acrobat 3D Reader for future mass 3D printing.
      Everything goes 3D these days anyway. Even JavaScript goes 3D at Adobe 3D!

    2. Re:Attack surface by AirDave · · Score: 1

      If you're using Reader, you might ask, why is there a 3D rendering engine in my PDF reader? Or maybe even do something about it.

      Because in the engineering and manufacturing world a 3D model is the best, and often only, way to define the design of an object. It's just another form of data that I want to include in my document.

      You may as well ask why there should be support for images or fonts in PDF. Isn't plain text good enough for everyone?

    3. Re:Attack surface by WD · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I wonder what percentage of the Adobe Reader install base uses the 3D capabilities?

  37. WTF? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    Why is it under Preferences | General instead of, I don't know, crazy idea, under Preferences | Security ?

    And 4 weeks? They're leaving that hole open for 4 fscking weeks?

    1- Announce a security flaw
    2- Leave it open for a month
    3- ???
    4- Profit!

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  38. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

    Adobe PDF Reader - now with 10-40x the size of what's *really* needed! ***Bonus*** - Includes Critical 0 Day vulnerability, @ no extra charge!!!

    What more could you ask for?

    Ummm, could you maybe toss in an eternally running updater?
    And if the same people could come up with a useless "download manager", well that would just be peachy!

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  39. Adobe Reader? What the hell's that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adobe Reader? What the hell's that? Oh, wait a minute, doesn't it open Foxit (.pdf) files? :p

  40. Well this is news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader were made insecure weekly but I really did not know there were Linux versions!

  41. We call this... by arhhook · · Score: 0

    Adobe has another zero-day? We call this "Tuesday."

  42. We call this... by arhhook · · Score: 1

    Adobe has another zero-day for their document reader? We call this, "Tuesday."

  43. actually, acrobat/reader will do that too by Chirs · · Score: 1

    First, select two page view: view->page display->two up

    Then, change your full screen preferences: edit->preferences->full screen->fill screen with one page at a time (uncheck)

    Now when you go to full screen mode you'll get two pages.

  44. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The MB size of a GNU OS install, All the attack surfaces of a web browser and it runs locally. It does everything the user could do and more that drm prevents you from doing. It was only a year ago Adobe decided a sandbox might help.

  45. Re:Mac? -- RTF please by v1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd be curious to know how many Mac users install Adobe Reader at all

    Preview works very well for reading, but Acrobat Pro is currently the best Mac solution for authoring PDFs. Unfortunately. But there you have it. Open a 5mb PDF in word. Edit. Save. Wow, look at that, did you notice, now it's 45mb? It seems that acrobat pro is one of the few editors that recompresses. Now watch the secretary fill out that PDF form in Word and try to email it back to you.

    PDF - Portable Document Format. It does a good job at being universally supported, for reading anyway. Do you want that, or maybe something else proprietary like DOC? (or even better, DOCX) You may hate the reader but the format is very good. It's just insanely bloated with features that are neigh impossible to secure. (it's about as good an idea as when MS added auto running macros to their DOC and XLS spec) So you can count on there being a new exploit almost constantly, and as we're seeing here, a critical exploit every quarter or so.

    I personally do as much as possible in RTF format. It's fairly well supported, and doesn't have security-undermining features in the standard. On the mac, the bundled TextEdit does a marvelous job with RTF, reads and authors in it, and has very similar functionality to PDF. I just wish clicking on an RTF document on a web page would display it inline instead of downloading the bloddy thing to the desktop.

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  46. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is not actually true. Adobe Reader is a "conforming implementation" of the ISO 32000 PDF specification. As such, it must support features that your 8.4 MB reader cannot possibly see (such as the ability to pull from CRL's when encountering a digital signature). I used to work for Adobe and I am not here to defend them but in all fairness, you must distinguish the difference between conforming and non-conforming implementations of PDF before comparing.

    Duane

  47. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget, it helps you keep your system stable by requiring a reboot every 60 minutes, due to needing a patch. A patch that of gives you a value add, like this 0 day vulnerability.

  48. I *prefer* non-conforming by Mathinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > you must distinguish the difference between conforming and non-conforming implementations of PDF before comparing

    Your point is valid, however, how much of that ISO standard is, itself, "ooooh, shiny"-ness which is one of the reasons why Reader has so many more possible places of failure? Before discovering better alternatives for reading PDFs under Windows, the first thing I would do to Adobe Reader was to disable scripting support inside PDF documents.

    In other words, I prefer the non-conforming, because that means that (there is a chance that) the implementers might actually be ignoring stupid things which Adobe pushed into the PDF standard which shouldn't be there.

  49. A little rant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know, but I'm working with PDF files on a daily basis, not a small amount of PDFs mind you, I'm talking about several 100 files (research), it doesn't matter if I use adobe's horridly bloated reader or any of the open source alternatives, things crash and flail around on a daily basis, and each of these crashes is likely to have RCE potential if properly researched, the only thing making the "official" reader so much worse is the fact it is extremely bloated and has built in flash and javascript support, alongside other insecure redundancies, however it is the only one of these that doesn't use braindead decompression algos that clock the CPU to 50% usage and actually loads PDFs resulting from document scans instantly (all the "alternatives" hang around for *minutes* trying to display a single page), this makes the it without alternative, I have avoided the majority of security problems that plague reader by using an ancient version (with other software this would be bad, but not having SWF support and all that other trash they added to it is a good thing, there is no other way to look at it), running inside an external sandbox (ie not a half-assed sandbox in the sense adobe implemented in later versions) and considered without any access privilege by HIPS --- all this to view documents, I have also manually removed the browser plugin and shellex, and deassociated it with PDF files (so that, in case of a driveby download getting past NoScript, the PDF file would simply dud-out because nothing would open it), why can't we have a simple document format? Oh wait, we do, I'm using djvu nowadays for most of these scans.

  50. It's a PDF reader for god's sakes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Adobe could not produce a version of "Hello World" what weighed in at less than twenty megs or that didn't require a weekly update over the internet.

  51. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You're saying pulling from CRLs requires that many more megabytes?

    Let's be blunt here. Adobe Reader is an obscene piece of bloatware, packaged with all sorts of worthless cruft like the absolutely moronic download manager. I suspect that software developers who were actually interested in delivering a decent product rather than trying to push their vast library of even more bloated applications would try a little harder to bring the size of things down, if for no other reason than an abiding sense of shame at releasing such a gawdawful huge monster.

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  52. Is Adobe Reader the new Emacs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too much options, and code in order to do a simple thing? (i.e. editing or, in this case, viewing and printing a document)

    1. Re:Is Adobe Reader the new Emacs? by gzipped_tar · · Score: 1

      There's a difference: EMACS actually works.

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  53. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While Adobe reader is indeed the slowest, most frequently crashing PDF reader I've ever used (xpdf, evince and foxit being the main others), there are actually features that don't work in most PDF readers. Notably, comments on hilighted text, something many supervisors like to use for commenting on ones paper.

  54. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    me too. Together, Chrome and OpenOffice provide that functionality for me now.

  55. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't forget the shell extension in windows, that enables those zero-day vulns to take effect by just hovering over the file! And unlike the updater and preloader, you can't turn this off without manually meddling with the registry.

  56. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Eraesr · · Score: 1

    Installed size of SumatraPDF really is 4.4MB here for me, as the setup file is a ZIP containing a single .exe file. So the install footprint of Adobe PDF Reader is 76 times the size of SumatraPDF. Adobe creates bloatware. Same with Apple and iTunes/QuickTime.

  57. Ditch Adobe PDF Reader by DNX+Blandy · · Score: 1

    I've read numerous forums ages ago on ppl agreeing how sh!t Adobe Reader is. Use another one like PDFXChange or something. An why is the Adobe Reader install so large? PDFXChange is tiny in comparison.

    1. Re:Ditch Adobe PDF Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PDFXchange is great!
      Strange that it is not mentioned often over here, while Foxit and Sumatra are.

    2. Re:Ditch Adobe PDF Reader by jmcmillan757 · · Score: 1

      Another vote here for PDF X-Change Viewer. No problems for years using it. No crashing. No mess with all the extra Adobe junk. Just upgraded to the Viewer Pro for $40 USD to get the editing capability. No need to spend all the $$$$'s that Adobe wants for their extended edition unless you want a program that crashes.

  58. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by shitzu · · Score: 1

    Dont forget its a zero day vulnerability that is fixed in the next quarterly update.

  59. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by shitzu · · Score: 2

    ISO conformity is no excuse for the amount of vulnerabilities in Adobe Acrobat software. Unless the vulnerability is specified in the ISO.

  60. Two thoughts.. by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

    1.) Adobe really must employ some of the worst developers in the commercial sector.

    2.) Zero Day is undoubtedly one of the most idiotic labels in the computing sector.

    1. Re:Two thoughts.. by jbov · · Score: 1

      Zero Day is undoubtedly one of the most idiotic labels in the computing sector.

      Yes, thank you. It is still in contention with "real time", though.

    2. Re:Two thoughts.. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The Warez folk used to comprize a much smaller community, and they cracked software to distribute it on BSSs. Many thought it was just fun to do, and several groups actually became very competitive at it! Often "flaming" other crackers in the software's opening text or graphics.

      Crackers were thought to have more status than others who created a two week old or month old crack if it only took them a week after the software was released to crack it. A "day" rating was born. Thus the crack released just one week after the software was released was was known as a "7day" crack... A "3day" Crack would be even better!

      Sometimes, Crackers would get hold of early-release software (back when Beta meant something similar to VHS), other times the Anti-Copy Protection software was just really easy to crack; This allowed for a crack to be released on the same day as the software was officially released: Thus, the best crack you could do (or the worst copy-protection you could use) resulted in a Zero Day crack.

      Today "Zero Day" has become to mean a crack that software developers found in the wild, and had Zero-Days of forewarning about.

      Much like "cloud" (which symbolizes unknown, untrusted or unreliable spaces in a network diagram), and many other terms: Zero-Day used to mean something before it was added to the BuzzWord bingo.

  61. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Informative

    "By default, Adobe Reader 10.0 enables Protected Mode"

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/860/cpsid_86063.html

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  62. Sandbox? by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    Forgive my ignorance but can Acrobat (and eventually Flash) be forced to run only in a sandbox for any given OS ?

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  63. Sad but true.. by TuomasK · · Score: 1

    More time is used to patch Adobe software than use them.

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  64. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yesterday I updated a Windows Vista machine with old versions of Firefox, IE, Acrobat Reader and Flashplayer. I jokingly brought up the possibility, that this machine might be protected because of the age of the programs.

    This machine is used to do bank transactions and other confidential things.

    Did I mention, that the virus scanner is long outdated? And there is no firewall to protect this machine. No, it's not a honeypot!

    The owner doesn't want to be disturbed in the full experience of the internet, though it supposedly wasn't meant that extensive. I love this attitude...

    cb

  65. Foxit by Malcolm+Chan · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, Foxit Reader doesn't seem to support many localised versions, unlike Adobe Reader.

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  66. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just updated my system to Adobe X and Enable Protected Mode is the default.
    I wish people would actually read the advisory because Adobe X has mitigations and to look at settings

    What Me Worry!
    .
    Here is the mitigation in advisory.
    Mitigations
    Adobe Reader X Protected Mode and Adobe Acrobat X Protected View would prevent an exploit of this kind from executing. To verify Protected View for Acrobat X is enabled, go to: Edit >Preferences > Security (Enhanced) and ensure "Files from potentially unsafe locations" or "All files" with "Enable Enhanced Security" are checked. To verify Protected Mode for Adobe Reader X is enabled, go to: Edit >Preferences >General and verify that "Enable Protected Mode at startup" is checked.

  67. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by peppepz · · Score: 2
    And don't forget the reader_sl.exe process that loads Adobe Reader in memory when Windows starts up. So it will slow down any workflow that doesn't include Adobe Reader, and it won't actually make the ones that do use Adobe Reader faster.

    Good thing that this technology is not supported on the Linux version ;) .

  68. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by wye43 · · Score: 1

    Why on earth isn't "Adobe Reader X Protected Mode" the default?

    It is the default.
    I've checked both on my system (Adobe Reader X 10.1.1.33: Edit -> Preferences -> General -> "Enable Protected Mode at startup" checkbox) and both on their website:
    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/860/cpsid_86063.html#main_What_is_Protected_Mode_

    Now, can we stop the FUD?

  69. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by ifrag · · Score: 1

    It was only a year ago Adobe decided a sandbox might help.

    Of course with Adobe designing it the sandbox will also have a nice plentiful selection of its own exploits. Unless Adobe hires another company to design their sandbox for them then I wouldn't trust it for a minute.

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  70. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Because that would make it too easy...sometimes I wonder if Adobe is in cahoots with the cyber mafia, getting funding to give them a head start, to let them know,......"hey we have a hole, that no one knows about....we will find it eventually, so here, have at her....that will be 50k please"

  71. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Cato · · Score: 1

    Do you have a pointer to the registry key that needs to be changed?

  72. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, lots of end users equate bigger with better...

    Similarly many people consider PDF to be a proprietary format which is only supported by adobe, and refuse to even consider the idea that any alternative viewers exist. This is also perpetuated by the vast number of websites which offer PDF files for download and then include a statement that specifically says adobe acrobat is required rather than a generic pdf viewer.

    I have even encountered Mac users, who when faced with a PDF file make no effort to open it and instead immediately head off to download acrobat, despite the fact that OSX includes a decent PDF reader by default.

    And out of interest, what other readers are there which conform to the full ISO32000 spec, and how do they compare for size?

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  73. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's the old Microsoft syndrome again...
    Take software which was designed for a non networked, single user standalone environment...
    Throw it onto a hostile network like the Internet...
    Then make sure that 95% of systems run exactly the same software...

    If there was a more even marketshare of PDF viewers out there, then they would be far less attractive to target.

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  74. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    And out of interest, what other readers are there which conform to the full ISO32000 spec

    I suspect none, because Adobe wrote the spec.

  75. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    "Don't worry! You'll be fine for the next month...probably..."

  76. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

    If you can change the registry key, then you can uninstall the steaming pile and install *anything* else.

    Foxit works great in my experience. I believe they've ported Okular over to Windows as well...

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  77. Acrobat X Pro does not have sandbox by obirt · · Score: 1

    A little tidbit Adobe conveniently leaves out of their security announcements. It should read: "The sandbox will protect you, unless you're using the Pro version of our product that you paid a lot of money for. Mostly because we were too lazy and inept to include it, or have the security team release updates more than 4 times a year." Because everyone knows, the bad guys only work on release schedules.

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  78. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by ByOhTek · · Score: 2

    Did that 4 years ago.

    TBH, I've found that flash is hard to do without in some cases, so it is a good idea to have a CPU that supports condoms, so you can run flash in a condom. (condom == Virtual Machine)

    Just keep a copy of the base image, and overwrite it whenever it gets too infected for use.

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  79. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    That is not actually true. Adobe Reader is a "conforming implementation" of the ISO 32000 PDF specification. As such, it must support features that your 8.4 MB reader cannot possibly see (such as the ability to pull from CRL's when encountering a digital signature).

    And who was it that wrote the ISO 32000 specification in the first place?

  80. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by chrisG23 · · Score: 1

    Foxit, the maker of the Foxit PDF reader claims ISO-32000 compliance for their Enterprise Edition on their website. I couldn't find the binary as this version requires registration and looks like it costs money. Their regular free version is currently 14MB for the installer. I don't know how compliant it is, but it can't be too far (it reads all PDF's I've thrown at it).

    So how much of Adobe Reader code is not for conforming to ISO 32000 and instead for supporting additional features that are not in the standard and for features for interoperability with other Adobe products that have nothing to do with the simple task of opening and rendering a PDF file? My hunch is quite a bit. More code == more possibilities of vulnerabilities.

    I realize Foxit Reader is probably no more secure than Adobe Reader (except for having the smaller attack surface) but I like that it is very unpopular and thus does not get targeted as much by malicious hackers.

  81. Steve Jobs was ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right!

  82. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SumatraPDF uses mupdf, mupdf supports ISO 32000 specification, but without "interactive" features (like form filling).

  83. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by tepples · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, lots of end users equate bigger with better

    If this were true, then people would be using XBOX HUEG laptops as a cell phone.

  84. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by berzerke · · Score: 1

    While I like, and use, Sumatra myself, anyone thinking to replace Adobe with it should be warned it does NOT contain a browser plug-in for reading PDFs. Some sites (*cough*State of Texas*cough*) are coded so they don't work right if you lack the plug-in.

  85. What's with all the hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it.

    Adobe announces (and has already mitigated the attack in the Reader X) the exploit and what not, stating that they'll patch vulnerabilities (that again, are mitigated if you have the most recent version).

    Compare this to cell phone manufacturers that have jailbreak / root privileges that go unpatched... well.. forever? These are the same vulnerabilities that can be exploited for malicious purposes (and tbh, not sure why they haven't been).

  86. People are still using Adobe Reader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How quaint.
    Closed source software is so much 20th century.

  87. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It breaks everything! Well not everything but I did a large deployment of Reader X, ~5500 workstations and we had issues with opening PDF from network drives, which is an issue Adobe has known about for over a year and still hasn't fixed it (go figure, damn Adobe to busy fixing holes in their software to make it work). Also had issue when IE was opened using a "runas" (single sign on machines) wouldn't open PDF from our SharePoint site anymore. There was other problems with certain web apps to with Reader not showing the document once it was launched etc... We ended up having to disable protected mode in order to make it function correctly. So much for the security benefits of running in a Sandbox when nothing works.

  88. Re:Memo to Adobe: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.youtube.com/html5/

  89. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by impaledsunset · · Score: 1

    Can it print yet?

  90. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    > That is not actually true. Adobe Reader is a
    > "conforming implementation" of the ISO 32000 PDF specification.

    I think that's the problem right there. Adobe is writing a honking big "application platform". 99% of average users just want a stinking PDF *READER* to display the PDF. That was the original idea behind the acronym... Portable Document Format.

    99% of end users do *NOT* want/need a huge, slow, bloated monstrosity that supports singing/dancing PDF's with javascript, radio boxes, checkboxes, playback of videos, and for f*** sake, *WHY* do they include "/launch" which can launch native executables on your machine?

    What adobe should do is make 2 versions...
    1) A "Reader Lite" that does nothing but display PDF documents, and is incapable of compromising your system.
    2) A full-featured, bloated "Enterprise Edition Reader" for the 1% that want all the bells and whistles.

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  91. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why on earth is Adobe PDF a fucking standard? It's HORRIBLE, and yet everyone seems to use it. Not only is the software one of the most prolific generators of security holes, but it's also just really bad software. For instance, I have a .DOC file I want to print... no scratch that, 12 of them. 2-5 pages each. I select the ones I want from the file manager, and right click- print. DONE. PDFs? No such luck. OH, and say you want to print that PDF 4 pages per sheet. No problem, except it will take 90 seconds per sheet to generate the raster for the printer. Meanwhile I could print the whole file on single sheets faster than the first sheet of 4 per page. The MS Word 4sheets to a page print option doesn't take more than a couple seconds to start printing. I could go on all day about how shitty PDF, and I haven't even touched on the DRM aspects.
     
    As a professional in document management, I would ask all of you, please, do not use PDF unless no other option exists. Tell providers you don't want PDF format. Tell customers why PDF sucks and give them TIFF or something else. PLEASE.

  92. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you are...failing

  93. Sumatra PDF has browser plug-in by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Sumatra PDF has had a browser plug-in available for about 9 months.

  94. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    It's HORRIBLE, and yet everyone seems to use it.

    You've basically hit on the definition of "standard" in the tech world.

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  95. Okular for PDF and XPS on Windows by Cato · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up - Okular looks like a really good option for Windows covering PDF, XPS, ePub, Mobipocket, CHM, etc. Rather a large download if it's your first KDE app on Windows (80 MB to download, 200 MB installed), but disk space isn't expensive these days and other KDE apps will be small downloads. There is even a standard Windows-style installer.

  96. Re:Listed mitigation: Adobe Reader X Protected Mod by Cato · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I need Adobe on my work PC to enable comments - don't think Foxit handles this. Foxit 5.0 was a bit crap (broke in some ways) but 5.1 is better.

    Thanks for the pointer to Okular, this might be a good option on Windows. Included in the KDE for Windows installer: http://windows.kde.org/download.php