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Bluetooth Keyboards With a 10-Year Charge Promised

angry tapir writes "Broadcom is working on a Bluetooth chipset that will give wireless keyboards a battery life of up to 10 years. If they had a battery life of as long as 10 years, that Bluetooth-based accessories could potentially never need new batteries, the chip maker said. A set of two AA batteries would be enough to power a keyboard using the BCM20730 Bluetooth chip to connect with a computer for its entire lifetime, Broadcom said."

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  1. Ha! by RobinEggs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hahaha...whew, that's a good one.

    Now tell me we're gonna have flying cars 'within the next 15-30 years'.

    1. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      We're gonna have flying cars 'within the next 15-30 years'

    2. Re:Ha! by VernonNemitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, as long as chips keep getting smaller and need less power, something like this is almost inevitable. However, at some point it will be possible to dispense with batteries altogether, and just build solar cells into the keyboard. If you have enough light to see it, then you will have enough light to run it. Someday, even your smartphone or tablet (or combined unit) will be built that way.

    3. Re:Ha! by geekoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or generate tiny amount of electricity from the key press.

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    4. Re:Ha! by sneakyimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep. I call shenanigans. I doubt there's a commercially available AA battery that'll reliably keep its charge for 10 years, much less power something.

    5. Re:Ha! by Arrepiadd · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean one day in the future we'll be able to have one of these?

      Boy, can't wait...

    6. Re:Ha! by the_other_chewey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep. I call shenanigans. I doubt there's a commercially available AA battery that'll reliably keep its charge for 10 years, much less power something.

      My alarm clock (seven-segment hh:mm:ss display, radio controlled) is running on one single
      AA battery since at least late 2004, so it is going into its 8th+ year now. It is a completely standard
      1.5V AA cell made by TDK (or at least sold under their name).

      No, I haven't checked the battery for radiation yet. Yes, it is beginning to scare me a bit.

    7. Re:Ha! by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sarcasm aside, i picked one of those up when Amazon had a sale, and i've been rather amazed. It was an impulse purchase without any prior research done. I figured with both Logitech and Amazon's names attached it couldn't be a complete scam, but i though i'd probably have to be careful to make sure to put it under bright light every so often to keep it charged up or something, or that the signal strength might be a little weak to compensate. Or something anyways, never having to replace the keyboard batteries again just seemed too good to be true, as trivial as that seems.

      In actuality the signal strength is fine, better than my wireless mouse certainly, and not once when i've thought to check has it been below full charge despite being kept in our regular living room lighting conditions, which can be pretty dim at times. One of the coolest bonuses is a button you can press to launch a light meter app on your computer, which will tell you the lux level the solar panels are currently being exposed to. It's been great fun to move the keyboard around and vary the lighting conditions to see how the value changes. It really brings home something everyone familiar with SF or photography is intellectually aware of, that the sun delivers a couple more magnitudes of light than we actually need to see comfortably with.

      They keyboard is also incredibly light and thin. My only complaints relate solely to the the way some of the keys and their functions are placed/handled, but that's pretty obviously an issue with design choices and nothing to do with the basic hardware. And despite those quibbles it's still leaps and bounds above my previous Microsoft keyboard. (Silly me, when i bought it online as the only wireless keyboard option for my PC package i was putting together i figured "it's just a keyboard, how badly can Microsoft screw it up?")

      Of course some people might not like the fact that it's not ergonomically shaped, but i prefer the old fashioned rectangular slabs :)

      I wonder if they could make a solar powered mouse to match? You'd have to use curved solar panels that didn't feel too weird while you were actually using the mouse...

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    8. Re:Ha! by PRMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually called Duracell to tell them that a clock that I got with a very loud rooster alarm every day for 12 years finally quit working. The Duracell batteries came with the clock. They asked me if there was any leakage from the 12 year old batteries and sent me a coupon.

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    9. Re:Ha! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have a 12 year old bathroom scale still running off of the original lithium battery that was factory installed. I am amazed at how long it has lasted. Lithium is, admittedly, a different beast than alkalines. But 12 years is pretty good for any battery.

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    10. Re:Ha! by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Logitech has a solar keyboard right now. Will run partially off the glow from a couple of LCDs. Normal light in the room is more than enough to run the device and keep a full charge. I have seen it run off low light levels too, like a 40w table lamp.

      Would rather have that than a magnetic field in my desk.

    11. Re:Ha! by sl149q · · Score: 3, Informative

      Literally if you have enough light to see the technology to harvest it and put it to good use for telemetry exists.... See Cymbet's paper on the design of an Intra Ocular Pressure Sensor here: http://www.cymbet.com/pdfs/eeweb-article.pdf. Something small enough to fit in your eye, report pressure wirelessly and last 10 years without a battery.

      From the paper:

      To extend lifetime, the IOPM harvests light energy
      entering the eye with an integrated 0.07 square millimeter
      solar cell that recharges the battery. Given the ultra-small
      solar cell size, energy autonomy requires average power
      consumption of less than 10nW. For the majority of its
      lifetime, the IOPM is in a 3.65nW standby mode where
      mixed-signal circuits are disabled, digital logic is powergated,
      and 2.4fW/bitcell SRAM retains IOP instructions
      and data. The average system power with pressure
      measurements every 15 minutes and daily wireless
      data transmissions is 5.3nW. When sunny, the solar cells
      supply 80.6nW to the battery. The combination of energy
      harvesting and low-power operation allows the IOPM
      to achieve zero-net energy operation in low light. The
      IOPM requires 10 hours of indoor lighting or 1.5 hours of
      sunlight per day to achieve energy-autonomy

      This would certainly be usable to keep something like a keyboard working forever with a solar cell that was barely noticeable.

    12. Re:Ha! by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Couldn't the bluetooth chip be powered by utilizing the kinetic energy of a human pressing a button. Many people would actually prefer a bit of physical resistance in the buttons of a keyboard.

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  2. Aww shucks by wanzeo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just built a kernel specifically without the bluetooth modules in an attempt to save power on my laptop. Damn you progress.

    1. Re:Aww shucks by hechacker1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you sure that's saving you power? Sometimes you have to initialize the device in order to activate the power saving features. It happens in Windows as well with wireless cards. The default state is "max power."

  3. A better idea. by Cosgrach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not put wires on the key board (perhaps even a USB connection), and the battery is not even needed. Wow.

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    1. Re:A better idea. by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The two year old running around my house is the reason I now have a wireless mouse and keyboard. Just because there is a cable attached, doesn't mean a child won't try walking away with it.

  4. Re:doubt it by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 5, Funny

    Couple the keyboard with a battery charger (powered by its own batteries)

  5. Re:It's a trap: Next step: Proprietary battery by chispito · · Score: 5, Informative

    We're seeing this with point and shoot cameras now. As recently as 2-3 years ago models that ran on AA batteries existed and some of them had decent battery life (a couple of hundred shots with flash). Now every new camera model is tied to a different proprietary lithium battery.

    Yes, but the batteries are smaller, denser, and last longer. What is the problem, exactly?

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  6. Re:It's a trap: Next step: Proprietary battery by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure what kind of camera you use, but the rechargeable, proprietary battery that came with my Canon DSLR has worked well for years and gone through hundreds of charge / discharge cycles without any noticeable reduction in battery life. While not as cheap as AA batteries, I just looked up replacement cost and found that I could get a new battery for about $30 -- not that I have any need to at this point.

    And while the battery is proprietary to canon, it's used in a number of their DSLR cameras, so there's a good chance that if I replace my camera I'll be able to keep the old battery as a spare.

    Try getting that proprietary battery in another 5-10 years. There are vintage cameras operating today that are many decades old. This will not be the case in future.

    Also some manufacturers are worse than others and have a new camera per camera or set of similar cameras. Others re-use the same battery.

    What is needed is a set of standard sized Lithium batteries...There's no reason for the current mess other than planned obsolence and price gouging. Heck Sony has even started chipping their cameras the way printer manufacturers chip their cartridges to prevent 3rd party batteries from eating into their overpriced originals.

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  7. Just as long... by skids · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just as long as you don't leave the capslock LED on.

  8. LOTS of problems, actually by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're seeing this with point and shoot cameras now. As recently as 2-3 years ago models that ran on AA batteries existed and some of them had decent battery life (a couple of hundred shots with flash). Now every new camera model is tied to a different proprietary lithium battery.

    Yes, but the batteries are smaller, denser, and last longer. What is the problem, exactly?

    Several problems:
    - Forget to charge your battery? You're out of luck! You won't be able to get a standard replacement alkaline battery for a couple of bucks at the corner store
    - Looked after your camera for many years and want to sell it or show your children a vintage camera? You're out of luck! Your battery is too old to hold charge and they don't make batteries for that model camera any more
    - Have a lot of different cameras, and want to share a couple of sets of batteries between them? You're out of luck. Each camera you own uses a different battery. You need at least one per camera
    - You're a camera enthusiast and want to buy spare battteries? You'll have to decide which camera you need a spare battery for. You can't afford $30 x number of spares x cameras

    I've seen a lot of silly justifications ranging from the technology keeps improving so why would you want to use the old camera to who owns lots of cameras. But I promise you for me and many others these things matter. We talk about recycling and reuse, have shopping bags too flimsy to hold our goods that we are now charged for, conserve water, and use less than optimal lighting solutions to conserve energy, but the moment a company stands to make a profit by making something throw away or selling you a whole bunch of junk when one item would suffice, well the environment goes out the window. It's moronic to be this wasteful.

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  9. power use... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    tinfoil hat time!

    This bluetooth chip would draw a whopping .057mAh at 1.5v, or .0285mAh at 3v. (Assuming a 2500mAh AA cell type, with 10 years of power draw.)

    You can easily generate this using biologically inplanted power sources, or from a standard solar powered calculator's photocell, or even from a thin film thermocoupler.

    This would allow for ubiquitous bluetooth devices in a lot of surfaces, including things you would never consider to have need of a network stack.

    Hell, you could power this stack on an AM crystal radio!

  10. Re:Lithium batteries by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The bluetooth spec is extensible.
    You don't have to have constant communications, you only have to answer polls, but only as often as the other side sends them.
    With just a small profile change you could minimize that to once an hour if you wanted.

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  11. Sounds good to me. by anubi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About ten years ago, I bought a Memorex wireless keyboard at Pic-n-save aka "Big Lots".

    I think I paid about $10.

    Much to my amazement, its still running on a pair of "Everready lithium" batteries I put in when I first got it.

    I put those batteries in everything that I have a tendency to ignore maintenance on, like remotes. I have never seen one of those lithium cells leak yet.

    Its been one of those things with me that alkaline cells, regardless of who made them, leak. Even if they aren't dead yet.

    I rarely use the keyboard, but when I do, it works. It only transmits ten feet or so, but its enough. It feeds an old P166 I have loaded with DOS and WIN95 to run my old DOS stuff.

    What impressed me so was that the keyboard had no on-off switch. For ten years, the keyboard has been sitting there waiting for me to press a key.

    My hat's off to the engineer who designed the thing.

    I would not mind paying more for this keyboard's electronics in a sturdier mechanical design, but for ten bucks, I thought I got a really nice little gadget.

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    1. Re:Sounds good to me. by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What impressed me so was that the keyboard had no on-off switch. For ten years, the keyboard has been sitting there waiting for me to press a key.

      Maybe it acts like TV remotes, being on only when a key is pressed. That's still an amazing achievement, I agree.

    2. Re:Sounds good to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Schrodingers Keyboard. If you don't press a key for 10 years the keyboard is both alive and dead.

  12. Re:Battery Shelf Life? by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Funny

    IBM Model M, a keyboard that you can use to kill a man, then use to type his obituary.

  13. Re:It's a trap: Next step: Proprietary battery by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Crack open that battery and what do you find? A couple of standard sized lithium batteries.

  14. Re:But what about the price by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, not even Amazon has any sub-100 dollar bluetooth mice. And the certainly have no sub-100 dollar bluetooth keyboards either!

    And don't even get me started on Apple and their price gouging 100$+ mice, keyboards and trackpads! Granted, I can't find any 100$+ keyboards, mice or trackpads on Apple's store, but I'm sure they're there! It's not like you'd just pull that 100$+ number out of your ass, right?