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Supreme Court Legitimizing Medical Patents?

RobinEggs writes "A case before the U.S. Supreme Court Wednesday addressed the legality of medical patents. From the article: 'The case focuses on a patent that covers the concept of adjusting the dosage of a drug, thiopurine, based on the concentration of a particular chemical (called a metabolite) in the patient's blood. The patent does not cover the drug itself—that patent expired years ago—nor does it cover any specific machine or procedure for measuring the metabolite level. Rather, it covers the idea that particular levels of the chemical "indicate a need" to raise or lower the drug dosage. The patent holder, Prometheus Labs, offers a thiopurine testing product. It sued the Mayo Clinic when the latter announced it would offer its own, competing thiopurine test. But Prometheus claims much more than its specific testing process. It claims a physician administering thiopurine to a patient can infringe its patent merely by being aware of the scientific correlation disclosed in the patent—even if the doctor doesn't act on the patent's recommendations.'"

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  1. Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us! by killfixx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looks like it's time for that revolution.

    Damn, and here I was hoping to never have to befriend an extremist militia.

    Moving to Canada or Australia sounds good, but, like they say, "the grass is always greener".

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  2. The stupid! It hurts! by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry Mr. Patient. While I know exactly what's wrong with you, the Medi-Jackass Inc. will sue me into oblivion if I prescribe the proper treatment to you!
    No, I can't tell you either. They'd sue me into oblivion TWICE, then go after you too.

    Un-fucking believable.

    All I can hope is that medical establishments EVERYWHERE (including insurance companies) tell these people to fuck the hell off and stonewall them into bankruptcy while blacklisting every product and service they use to hasten the process.

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  3. Jumping the gun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because they heard the case doesn't mean "Supreme Court Legitimizing Medical Patents".

    That's a troll headline.

    1. Re:Jumping the gun? by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the Supreme Court is not a trial court, they only hear appeals after a trial has taken place and appeals to lower level courts have been exhausted. they don't hear any evidence.

      the parties submit their briefs, other parties submit their briefs depending on who's side they are on. the record of the case goes to the justices. each party gets something like 15 minutes to summarize their case during which they are constantly interrupted by the justices with their questions.

      almost a year later after looking at the records the justices give a decision and most times the case is sent to a lower court for more litigation

      don't believe idiotic tech magazine stories written by people who don't know how it works

  4. This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is as basic as it gets. Can companies patent the use of facts? Let's see if they can get this right. If they do, at least we know there's an upper limit to their ignorance. If they can't , then it's the end of innovation in the US and the beginning of a stampede of smart, motivated people who want to do Good Things out of the US and into the EU or elsewhere. It's just that simple. Either we're free to innovate in this country, or we leave our country in favor of a land that offers more freedom and opportunity. Just like our forefathers did.

    1. Re:This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is as basic as it gets. Can companies patent the use of facts? Let's see if they can get this right. If they do, at least we know there's an upper limit to their ignorance.

      Yes, clearly "Woofy Goofy" knows more about the law than the Supreme Court.

      Justices in the supreme court ARE POLITICAL appointees.
      What makes you think they are the best the country has to offer ?
      Get a reality check please.

    2. Re:This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead of an insult, you could add to the discussion by pointing out where he was wrong and explaining what is correct. Or, if you don't know, you could just not speak, which will still give a higher net contribution to the conversation.

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    3. Re:This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm sorry what aspect of law would you be referring to? The law the Supreme Court makes? By that measure, they're always right, irrespective of how they decide an issue. In logic, we call that a "tautology"

      The aspect of the law I am referring to is its "justness" and "advisability". The extension of patent "rights" into methods and software is not only inadvisable, but also unjust .

      In fact, another source of some authority on US law, the U.S. Constitution states that patents will be granted for the purpose of ADVANCING the useful arts and sciences. Failing that, no patent is deserving. Advancing the useful arts and sciences is not synonymous with advancing the material welfare of corporations or individuals, despite what Ayn Rand claims.

      You talk as though citizens whose rights and livelihoods are going to be directly affected by their own judiciary's decisions ought to somehow stand meekly aside and permit the "experts" in law decide what the law shall be.

      I have two words for you: Dred Scott.

      Actually, your "tut tut" attitude might make some sense if the law in question was only concerned with measurable facts , like say theoretical physics., or the effect of excess carbon on the planet's temperature.

      But it makes exactly zero sense when the subject matter is what a people shall declare a normative law- which will rule them all- shall be.

      Maybe you're an IP lawyer. Maybe you're a lobbyist. Maybe your a bureaucrat. Maybe you're a patent holder. Really, those are the only categories of people I know of who would take the attitude that democracy should be a spectator sport and the people should not involve themselves, much less get worked up about, the morality or advisability of their own laws.

    4. Re:This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      "This is a basic intelligence test for SCOTUS"

      We are doomed...

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  5. Requires a License to Prescribe ? by arthurpaliden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the doctor needs a license from the patent holder to effectively administer the drug. Well I can see that generating a lot of sales of the drug. Not.

  6. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by antido · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All I can hope is that medical establishments EVERYWHERE (including insurance companies) tell these people to fuck the hell off and stonewall them into bankruptcy while blacklisting every product and service they use to hasten the process.

    My hope is with you, buddy. Except I fear that whenever money is involved, ethics, humanitarianism and other socially awesome things go out the window.

  7. Self defeating arguments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know nothing about the US patent system - but my first thought on reading this was as follows.
    Proper administration of the drug is supposed to violate the patent.
    The drug in question is out of patent... (for years)
    Does this mean that there was an extended prior where the drug was not able to be administered correctly to start with, or does their argument cause the 'method' patent to be invalid on grounds of prior art which must have existed in order for the drug to be administrated properly in the first place.

  8. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by sociocapitalist · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  9. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry Mr. Patient. While I know exactly what's wrong with you, the Medi-Jackass Inc. will sue me into oblivion if I prescribe the proper treatment to you! No, I can't tell you either. They'd sue me into oblivion TWICE, then go after you too.

    Un-fucking believable.

    35 USC 287(c)(1): With respect to a medical practitioner's performance of a medical activity that constitutes an infringement under section 271(a) or (b) of this title, the provisions of sections 281, 283, 284, and 285 of this title shall not apply against the medical practitioner or against a related health care entity with respect to such medical activity.

    There are no damages for infringement by a medical practitioner of a medical activity. No one's going to sue doctors. Stop the FUD.

  10. Legal fees by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are no damages for infringement by a medical practitioner of a medical activity.

    That doesn't mean the doctor won't have a pay a lawyer to convince a judge that 35 USC 287(c)(1) applies.

    1. Re:Legal fees by datavirtue · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed, patents have some how strayed wildly from their intended purpose. For instance, Monsanto is suing farmers who's fields have been pollinated (yes, through wind drift, and birds, and bees) from other neighboring farmers who happen to use their seeds (GMO, patented). This is not what patents are for! Patents are to protect Monsanto against other manufacturers copying their genetic seed developments. Yet Monsanto has successfully crushed farmers whose fields have been pollinated (from wind drift) and who refused to purchase their seeds--all under patent law! Judges have no knowledge of this system, and people cannot defend themselves properly against big business. This is a mess.

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    2. Re:Legal fees by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My theory is that Monsanto launched this offensive to knock of balance those who would sue them because Monsanto's GMO crops pollinated and therefor contaminated their crop, be it organic or not. These GMO crops are not popular in other parts of the world, banned in certain parts of Europe--and refused by many others, so Monsanto is on the ropes and swinging wildly for fear that America will ban them as well. The seed business is a nasty one indeed.

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    3. Re:Legal fees by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are probably refering to Monsanto v. Schmeiser case. Correct me if I'm wrong but there were no other cases like that.

      There is no-one sued just for having his crops pollinated with Monsanto's Roundup wheat. The farmer was sued because he knowingly planted Monsanto's seeds. On the other hand the judge also ruled against any financial compensation to Monsanto as the farmer did not gain anything by his actions.

      It still sucks that the farmer ended up paying a fortune for legal aid while not doing anything wrong, on the other hand the judges made a correct decision - it's not their fault that the legislature is what it is.

      From the ruling:

      93 Inventions in the field of agriculture may give rise to concerns not raised in other fields -- moral concerns about whether it is right to manipulate genes in order to obtain better weed control or higher yields. It is open to Parliament to consider these concerns and amend the Patent Act should it find them persuasive.

      94 Our task, however, is to interpret and apply the Patent Act as it stands, in accordance with settled principles. Under the present Act, an invention in the domain of agriculture is as deserving of protection as an invention in the domain of mechanical science. Where Parliament has not seen fit to distinguish between inventions concerning plants and other inventions, neither should the courts.

    4. Re:Legal fees by jonwil · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a story (mentioned in the documentary Food Inc IIRC) about someone who owned a machine for cleaning soybean seeds so they could be re-planted. Monsanto went after him and basically said "unless you can prove that not a single Monsanto GM seed went through your machine, we will sue you"

    5. Re:Legal fees by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Informative

      farmers intentionally planted seed which they knew contained unlicensed genetic material

      Lets parse that a little shall we.

      The farmer had a field next to a GMO field. The plants in the farmers own field got contaminated. Yes the farmer "knew about it" but it wasn't his fault and there was nothing he could do to stop it. There certainly weren't Monsanto reps running around offering to filter his seeds for free to identify which ones were GMO contaminated and which ones weren't.

      Now when you say "intentionally planted"; what you mean is that the farmer took his only seeds; the ones which were contaminated; and then planted them. So in the end, if the farmer wanted to use his own seeds from his own field he had no choice apart from "intentionally" planting seeds which had been knowingly contaminated by Monsatnto.

      Blaming the farmer is deeply disingenuous here. If Monsanto wants control of it's own genes then it should be responsible for ensuring that they don't contaminate other people's crops.

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    6. Re:Legal fees by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The idea that there can exist "unlicensed genetic material" is absurd on it's face.

  11. Summary judgment by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By the way, do not forget your rights if you become a jury - NULLIFICATION.

    Which is one reason why a lot of litigants are so quick to get matters of law disposed of in summary judgment, so that the question of fact has no chance to even go before a jury.

  12. Generic version by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, this is about if a generic version of the drug can be sold as long as the label doesn't instruct the physician about the patented use. The holder of the patent wants to ban generics even though the patent on the drug itself has expired.

  13. Not really, not yet by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read the transcript of the arguments, and it wasn't really clear to me what way they were leaning. Sotomayor seemed mostly in favor of the patentee, while Breyer especially was critical of the patentee. But these are oral arguments, and justices can take devil's advocate positions during these in order to tease out certain details of the case. Figuring out how the court will swing based on the oral arguments is like reading tea leaves, especially when it comes to patent law.

    As for the correctness of the headline: This case is in the Supreme Court because an early summary judgment motion in the district court was granted, ruling that the patent is invalid. The case was appealed to the Federal Circuit, which reversed the ruling, and then Mayo appealed to the Supreme Court.

    This case only focuses on the question of patentable subject matter under 35 USC 101, i.e., what kinds of claims should be patentable. In particular, the question here is whether the claims are directed to an application of a law of nature (the metabolism of a certain drug administered to a patient) or to the law of nature itself. Laws of nature are not patentable in and of themselves, but applications of a law of nature can be, as long as the entire law of nature is not "pre-empted" by the claim. In other words, matter-energy equivalence, E = mc^2, is a law of nature. Particular applications of that principle can be patentable, but if the claims are written such that every conceivable application of the principle is covered by the patent, then the principle is pre-empted by the claim (i.e., they might as well have claimed that entire law of nature, because the claims effectively cover it entirely).

    Prometheus, and the federal government, both argue that the arguments that Mayo is making are better addressed when considering the claims against the prior art (i.e., under 35 USC 102 and 103). (This is in part because Mayo is doing a hamfisted job of arguing their case, probably because they don't want to sabotage some of their own medical treatment patents.) The issue is that prior art considerations require a time-consuming process called a Markman hearing, where the court decides how to construe the various terms recited in the claims, and usually thereafter, a jury decides whether the prior art covers the claims, which makes the process extremely uncertain. It's Mayo's hope that patents like this can be killed early on in the process by a judge, rather than putting all their money on double-zero and giving it a spin with a jury.

    TLDR version: Nobody really knows what SCOTUS was thinking during oral arguments. This isn't the end of the road for this case, even if Mayo loses, because prior art still has to be considered.

  14. Re:Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering how US laws (specially patent and copyright ones) are push over other countries, the only way to get rid of it is at the source, not running away.

  15. Re:Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us by devjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It will only stop when somebody attempts to apply the same strategy to the legal profession. Then, with any luck, one of two things will happen:
    1. 1. The lawyers, judges, and Congress will realize that the entire government will grind to a halt if that strategy is allowed, so they will reject the strategy, and finally come to realize why this is such a problem in other areas, and finally fix it.
    2. 2. It succeeds, and everything does grind to a halt until Congress passes a massive overhaul to change it all (making it just retroactive enough to negate all patent lawsuits against their own overhaul.)
  16. Re:Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us by Niedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or 3. The lawyers, judges, and Congress will realize that the entire government will grind to a halt if that strategy is allowed, so they will reject the strategy, completely failing to realize that this is also a problem in other areas.

  17. Re:Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us by wintercolby · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Patent a precise method used to record patent documents in a digital form on a computing device, a computing device with a touch screen, and a hand held computing device with a touch screen.
    2. Write software that can be used to record patent documents in a digital form, a vi macro would suffice.
    3. Sue patent trolls for patent infringement.
    4. Profit.

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  18. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to the article:

    "But Prometheus claims much more than its specific testing process. It claims a physician administering thiopurine to a patient can infringe its patent merely by being aware of the scientific correlation disclosed in the patent—even if the doctor doesn't act on the patent's recommendations."

    If anyone is spreading FUD it's the patent holder.

  19. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by rnturn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's bad enough that my family physician has to employ a couple of people whose sole job is to deal with the insurance companies all day long. Now it seems, if this idea is approved by the Supreme Court, they'll need to have a patent attorney on retainer to make sure they don't run afoul of some pharmaceutical company who found that a drug's effectiveness can actually be measured.

    I thought it was supposed to be a bad idea to have the government getting between the doctor and the patient. If this isn't government getting between me and my doctor, I sure as hell don't know what is.

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  20. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by DJ+Jones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly. A similar example of this is the drug Propecia - the hair loss drug. Propecia is a 1mg dosage of Finasteride that goes for over $2 a pill and is patented so there's no generic option. The thing is, Finasteride isn't new, it has been around since the 60's in a 4mg dosage to treat prostate enlargement and hormonal issues, it isn't under patent anymore and costs about $.02 a pill. Merck came along a few years ago and claimed to invent the same damn drug for a different purpose and got an 8 year patent on it allowing them to jack the price for no good reason.

  21. It's so ironic... by forkfail · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... that Republicans were all worried about creating Death Panels, when in fact, they were defending them.

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  22. Re:Shenanigans!! All your thought are belong to us by rsborg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    or 3. The lawyers, judges, and Congress will realize that the entire government will grind to a halt if that strategy is allowed, so they will reject the strategy, completely failing to realize that this is also a problem in other areas.

    This is exactly what happened in banking... they had a patent troll attack, and the bansters' government pets just made that entire sector immune [1] from the problem.

    So what you get is further distancing of sectors like banking and law from the rest of us... and increases likelyhood of a (more violent) revolution.

    [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021303731.html?nav=emailpage

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  23. Re:The stupid! It hurts! by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The major cost of testing a new compound is to prove the drug is safe, i.e doesn't kill the patient, or has any other nasty side effects. Whether it actually does any good is almost left as an afterthought. Since (almost) all of that should be well established by the time someone comes up with an idea for a second use, then no, they should't be able to get a God damned patent for using the same drug for something new. They can got a patent for the drug, that's it.

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