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How 3D Printing Could Help Keep the ISS In Orbit

Despite all the best intentions and meticulous overengineering, some of the equipment on spacecraft like the ISS inevitably breaks. An anonymous reader poses the question "Why carry out a very expensive launch into space to resupply the ISS, when astronauts could just manufacture replacement parts themselves?" Startup Made in Space is working on a space-oriented 3D printing system to make it easy to transmit the information needed to pop out complex shapes (as might be in delicate mechanical systems), but the founders are also talking about using 3D printers to jump-start construction if humans extend their presence from the Earth to other planets (or revisit the moon).

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  1. Materials by ieatcookies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a pretty cool way to manufacture things when you need them - no question there. Will this device be able to use it's own excess waste after making something? Will we have to ship tons of materials up only to ditch some large percentage of waste?

    1. Re:Materials by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Informative

      With 3D printing there is little to no waste. That's why it's called additive manufacturing.

      The bigger issue is finishing, most 3D printed parts will need some. I'm sure they don't want metal or plastic filings floating around in the ISS, so that could be tricky.

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    2. Re:Materials by Manfre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There can be a lot of waste, depending on the part that is being printed. Fill material and the chemicals required to dissolve it would account for a majority of the waste.

    3. Re:Materials by NevarMore · · Score: 2

      With 3D printing there is little to no waste. That's why it's called additive manufacturing.

      The bigger issue is finishing, most 3D printed parts will need some. I'm sure they don't want metal or plastic filings floating around in the ISS, so that could be tricky.

      Just do what I do when I don't want to cleanup sawdust or shavings in my house, just pop outside.... oh right.

    4. Re:Materials by durrr · · Score: 2

      Electron beam melting can be used to create high quality metal objects(no need to bake in oven as with sintered products), the drawback back here on earth is that you need a quite good vacuum to use it, shouldn't be a problem out in space.

    5. Re:Materials by Adriax · · Score: 2

      Metal particles made into a thick paste with some glue or other thick liquid that vaporizes nicely, melted into place with a laser.
      Make supports to places that need it with the same metal and cut them off with the same laser once the piece is complete.

      Probably all the pieces would be things like clips, pins, struts, ect... Nothing that requires a bunch of run off bits that require support when making.

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    6. Re:Materials by mg127 · · Score: 2

      I'm sure that not all astronaut emissions are odor-neutral.

    7. Re:Materials by Sene · · Score: 2

      What material would you melt? I think micro-gravity will create quite some issues with anything that is not physically extruded.

  2. Idea by phrostie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like the general concept here, but it isn't much more sustainable than sending up supplies.
    you still need to send up the raw material.

    now cool would be to make 3Dprinters work with materials refine-able from the surface of the moon or mars.
    instead of sending a new probe every few years, send a "Maker"
    it would have two parts.
    gatherer and a factory(with the 3Dprinter).

    transmit the new plans and away it goes.

    just thinking and rambling

    call it Thrambling

    1. Re:Idea by Kn45h3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The main advantage would be to reduce the amount of spare parts they need to keep on hand in case they need them in a hurry. Additionally broken parts could possibly be melted down and reused.

    2. Re:Idea by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the general concept here, but it isn't much more sustainable than sending up supplies. you still need to send up the raw material.

      Which could be included on the regularly-scheduled crew launches, like food. Having a stock of material on board means that if some part breaks, it's likely fixable without an extra unscheduled launch, which is currently a very expensive option.

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    3. Re:Idea by steelyeyedmissileman · · Score: 2

      One advantage is that the raw supplies are inherently able to withstand the flight up there, so no investment has to be made into over-engineering the parts to survive being shaken to pieces by a rocket.

      The question I had is how the polymers they're using behave in vacuum; they'll almost certainly outgas like crazy. How strong/durable do the parts remain after a given amount of time in space? What about UV light? I'd love to see them do some materials testing before sending an expensive printer up only to find out the parts don't last long enough to be useful.

    4. Re:Idea by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Newton would like a word with you.

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    5. Re:Idea by macraig · · Score: 2

      The point here isn't improvement in sustainability; it's a foregone conclusion that the ISS and fledgling extraterrestrial colonies aren't sustainable.

      This is about JIT manufacturing and resupply. If something breaks, they likely need the replacement part NOW, not whenever the next Soyuz can happen to float past.

    6. Re:Idea by ssyladin · · Score: 2

      Well, if you are shipping up a spool of feed material wire (a la MakerBot), or even powder cartriges, then they'll likely be able to better tolerate a brutal high-g launch than delicate, precision tuned parts manufactured on earth. Now you can use linear induction launch methods (rail gun launchers) and high-g launch systems to more cheaply get the raw materials into orbit, and transform them once they're up there. Plus, its very likely you'd save on packaging overhead (less padding & whatnot), lowering your overhead further.

    7. Re:Idea by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've actually read some old NASA studies for taking the external tanks to a space station, melting them down and using the aluminium to build new structures.

      Another old idea was to use the external tank as storage/habitable/engineering structures.
      That main tank weighs more and has more usable space than the max capacity of the shuttle.
      It's a crying shame that we spent a few decades bringing them to the edge of orbit, then letting them burn up in the atmosphere.

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    8. Re:Idea by squidflakes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Volatile Organic Compounds are a huge problem in any sealed environment. Not only are there human health effects, but the effects on some delicate instruments and machinery can be quite severe. This is why there is a very tight list of approved materials that can be used for construction in human-rated space equipment.

      That whole "new-car smell" is pretty toxic when that's all you're breathing.

    9. Re:Idea by Amouth · · Score: 2

      (although I don't think recycling plastic is so simple as melting it down).

      that is completely dependent on the type of plastic you are using

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    10. Re:Idea by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's worth considering that they had a bit of hydrazine still inside, so they weren't exactly ready for human occupation...

      Cut a hole in one end for the airlock/docking unit. Leave it open to space for a month, and the hydrazine problem should mostly evaporate.

      If there's still a bit of worry, then cover the hole, fill the tank with LOX and light a match, then repeat the "open to space, wait a month" thing.

      All this assuming, of course, that they had hydrazine in the LOX/LH2 external tank, which they didn't.

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    11. Re:Idea by Yakasha · · Score: 2

      I like the general concept here, but it isn't much more sustainable than sending up supplies. you still need to send up the raw material.

      Absolutely wrong. It is far more efficient to just send up blocks of various materials, ala printer cartridges, instead of trying to predict when and how often specific parts will fail and need to be replaced.

      You could send up 10 type A widgets, 10 type B widgets, 8 type C widgets, and be absolutely screwed should your 8th type C widget die while you still have 9 type A widgets collecting space dust... or you could just send up the equivalent weight of raw materials and print up whatever widget you need as you need it.

      Furthermore, many space used systems are designed in less-than-optimal fashion for the sole purpose of re-using and sharing parts just so they don't have to ship 2 different replacement parts up. 3d-printing would allow every system to have its own parts, and thus not be as limited.

  3. Let's get rid of the formalities here... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's get rid of the formalities here... and call it what we are all thinking it is... A REPLICATOR. (albeit a very basic one, but still...)
    Unless of course there is a "royalty" fee attached to calling something that replicates items a REPLICATOR...

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    1. Re:Let's get rid of the formalities here... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's get rid of the formalities here... and call it what we are all thinking it is... A REPLICATOR.

      For the love of GOD I hope you're talking about the Star Trek kind, not the Stargate kind of Replicator.

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  4. Base materials by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sometimes is not enough that a part have certain (maybe complex or delicate) shape, but also the materials that make it. Until you have true replicators this could make quick plastic fixes, but won't be a generic solution for all kind of problems. And, of course, you need to lift whatever uses the printer to make the parts.

    1. Re:Base materials by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sometimes is not enough that a part have certain (maybe complex or delicate) shape, but also the materials that make it.

      This. And it's something proponents of 3D printing regularly miss - there's more to a physical part than just it's shape. Things like conductivity, strength, creep resistance, reactivity, etc... etc.. matter. They matter a great deal, and it's why the ISS isn't all made of a single material to start with.
       

      And, of course, you need to lift whatever uses the printer to make the parts.

      The counter to this argument is that you have to lift the parts too... but that leads to *another* thing that many people that have commented so far are missing - time. It takes time to print the part, while a spare can simply be unwrapped and installed straight away. With 3D printing, your MTTR (Mean Time To Repair) goes way, way up.

  5. Materials and Energy? by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are the materials that 3D printing is capable of using able to stand up to the tasks required of them?

    It has been my understanding that most of the materials used are plastic, and not just any plastic will do, and
    metal parts (if even possible) are simply not the same as cast and machined parts, either in strength or
    precision.

    Further this is done with powdered media, which will require advanced containment in a weightless environment, and a fair amount of power to operate the equipment. These machines aren't small enough yet to launch and install easily, so getting it there would be a problem.,

    Further, the media plastic needs to be replaced often, sifted and cleaned/recycled.

    In the final analysis, given the state of the art of 3d printing, I suspect it would be cheaper to launch each part as needed than it would be to launch a fresh batch of media to make each part.

    Then there is the whole issue of the real value of the ISS, which has largely become a Russian playground with
    no real mission, and the service life was planned to end in 2015, recently extended to 2020. The Russians want
    to extend it to 2028, with nothing but a pie in the sky mission statement.

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    1. Re:Materials and Energy? by AdrianKemp · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're starting to use 3d printing in aircraft parts because they can print more complex, lighter and stronger shapes with the printers. This is being done with metal.

      However, I've absolutely no doubt that the machines that are doing it are not the sort of thing that you'll be able to put on the ISS.

      The moon, on the other hand, that's something worth considering.

    2. Re:Materials and Energy? by AdrianKemp · · Score: 2

      Well, that's true and false at the same time...

      In many cases the reason they're printing them in the first place is because they *can't* be machined the way they want, so machining after the fact isn't an option.

      This is an example, not actually being used in production as far as I know; but the idea is that it will be.
      http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/38352/?mod=MagOur

      However you're right about the tolerance and smoothness. The part I linked and others like it don't need to be perfect around the edges (figuratively and literally) whereas more than likely almost everything in the ISS does.

  6. Cool and all.. by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    The ISS is super cool - the idea of a permanent human presence in near-space is awesome. However, it's kind of a colossal waste of money, in terms of hard science done per dollar spent. I don't think there's a single experiment done up there that couldn't be done autonomously. I don't think we're learning much more about living in space that hasn't already been explored in Skylab or Mir.

    If the point of the ISS is to inspire people, then the mission should have been more inspiring, instead of parking people in orbit for a while, which has already been done. How about sending components to the moon to build an orbital spaceyard? Launching deep-space missions from the moon would be much more efficient, if we can manage to get the machinery up there.

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    1. Re:Cool and all.. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      The whole point of the ISS is to develop techniques for long term manned presence in space. Just sitting there staring out the porthole goes a long way to doing that. You don't need to do 'science'. Learning what materials work and don't work, how to fix things (a biggy), how to build things, the boring mechanics of just supplying the thing for years and keeping the crew sane - that's important.

      The Russians are apparently fond of space rated duct tape for repairs. A 3D printer that was space rated could be useful (maybe yes, maybe no) but the engineering required to get it working in Zero G without poisoning the crew is very much non trivial. And something that should be done.

      If you think that fully functional 3D printers are going to autoland on Mars with the ability to crank out everything from a spoon to a high pressure valve, well, you've been reading too much Kim Stanley Robinson. Baby steps people, baby steps.

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  7. Re:3D printing without gravity? by WillHirsch · · Score: 2

    RTFA. It shows them testing 3D printers in zero-gravity. No "luck" required, just sense.

  8. Re:Which one will win ? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    If they want to use any of the resin methods, I hope gravity isn't as essential as it once seemed for these to work properly. What I've seen essentially hardened liquid resin, and seemed to rely on gravity to hold the part 'down' so it didn't drift around. A space model might fab the part with an anchor embedded into the bottom of the vat I suppose. Then all ya gotta do is empty the vat and pull the part.

    But the subtractives essentially create a lot of loose waste. You may not fully appreciate how much easier it is to clean up on Earth, where gravity holds that shit down for you, that is what isn't airborne.On the ISS, everything floats about. The shavings will have to be contained even more carefully. Sounds like an entire module would be the place for the machine shop.

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  9. not everything is plastic... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I realize that with the activities of the "for the children!" Groups out there that it is easy to presume everything is made of plastic these days, but this simply isn't true.

    I would be willing to bet money that the vast majority of the innards of the ISS's superstructure is mostly made from 2024 or 7075 aluminum alloy, sprayed with hexavalent cromium primer.

    Those are the two most commonly used aluminum alloys used in aerospace fabrication (I make prints citing them all the time at work), and for strength reasons these need to be heat treated in most circumstances after being formed or milled. A powder or paste based prototype printer just won't be able to produce these alloys, because the desired mechanical properties are a result of the metalurgical crystaline structures present in them after annealing and heat treating. That is, unless you want to ship a whole annealing oven and solution heat treatment system up there... (just so you know, that equipment isn't light.)

    For composite materials, conventional heat shaped plastics are not common either. Usually a thermally cured resin material is used, such as with phenolic, or with carbon fiber composite. Doing thse in space would be a nightmare, since not only do you deal with a sticky, honey like liquid with toxic fumes, and the curing oven, you also need a vacuum bag machine and the finished product must be sanded, creating tiny (toxic) particles to float around the ventilation system.

    I could see a prototype maching puking out ceramic paste parts prior to electric kilning, or plastic parts, but not the main structural parts made from alloy or composites.

    I don't see the justification for the added launch expense of bringing one and its consumables along.

  10. OP needs to think this through a bit more... by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The OP asks, "Why carry out a very expensive launch into space to resupply the ISS..." and the answer is pretty simple...

    It's expensive to boost mass up into orbit. 3D printers take raw materials to print with. It's either send up the raw materials for the 3D printer to use, or send up the finished product, and pay for that launch. One could I suppose harvest space junk and asteroids and use that material, but that's not going to come cheap either.

    Note, this is the truth of the ISS. Something like a base on Mars or the Moon, that's another story. Then it's worth figuring out how to utilize the local resources to feed a 3D printer.

  11. In space, no one can hear your scream by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    "PC Load Letter???"

  12. Re:But can it make... by rwise2112 · · Score: 2

    Well .... almost exactly, but not quite, entirely unlike tea!

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  13. Launching Space Manufacturing by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if this project isn't necessary (or more useful than alternatives), it is totally worth doing for its own sake. The ISS should launch the era of space based manufacturing. That R&D will give us a huge jump into issues of microgravity and orbital mechanics, as well as 100% recycling/reuse of manufacturing byproducts. But it will also move forward both automated and remote manufacturing, especially of short-run items, that will improve manufacturing here on Earth.

    It will give us a reason to exploit the nearby near-vacuum, and other local environment resources (eg. direct solar - in large quantities, but also causing very high temperature gradients in light/shade). Hard radiation and solar wind could help us make things that are impossible or prohibitively expensive on Earth. And it will also create demand for harvesting planetoid resources, whether the Moon, asteroids or other interplanetary matter. Which will bootstrap the further exploitation of the solar system.

    Space-based manufacturing is how we should make the things that we disperse around the solar system, instead of launching the matter out of Earth's gravity well. We should be launching only what we need to make devices that make things. We should be able to transmit data and instructions for making new machines, some of which will take new data and instructions for making newer machines. Some of these machines can be very large - like other orbital stations, or other probes to launch. We should get started making things in orbit that can be landed on the Moon to start a base there, exploiting Lunar materials for further manufacturing.

    And all of these improvements will bring better manufacturing back to Earth, even if only in lessons learned.

    The ISS was worth doing for its own sake. What an achievement! It inspires the world. But now that it's largely completed, it should be our platform for projects that aren't an end in themselves. Moving humanity's tool use into effective use and occupation of the extraterrestrial neighborhood will be a vast dividend that will never stop paying us back.

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    1. Re:Launching Space Manufacturing by Toonol · · Score: 2

      If you're wondering about delusions, being an obsessed poster that repeats in ever more frantic terms the same comment, anonymously, every time the subject of space travel is broached on slashdot should give you insights into that psychological malfunction.

      By the way, no matter how much you rant about 'Space Nutters', the term will never catch on. It's only function is as an indicator that the user of the term (a set with a population of one) is a monomaniacal and inflexible obsessive.